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failed to call from sip regisered phone/udp to SIP GW/tcp
by fieldpeak＠gmail.com 23 Nov '10

23 Nov '10

Is there any one can help for question below, thanks in advance. regards, Charles From: fieldpeak(a)gmail.com Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 6:20 PM To: freeswitch-users(a)lists.freeswitch.org Subject: FreeSwitch: Question for UDP to TCP conversion Dear Friends, I want SIP phone regiser to freeswitch by UDP , and make outboud call (from SIP phone) via Media gateway by TCP to PSTN. however, the freeswitch prompt below, can anyone help advise is it doable? thanks in advise. 2010-11-26 18:10:04.370711 [ERR] mod_sofia.c:3787 You are trying to use a differ ent transport type for this gateway (overriding the register-transport), this is unsupported! below is the detailed log, ion_number(910010) =~ /^9178$/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 parsing [default->fax_transmit] con tinue=false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (FAIL) [fax_transmit] destina tion_number(910010) =~ /^9179$/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 parsing [default->ringback_180] con tinue=false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (FAIL) [ringback_180] destina tion_number(910010) =~ /^9180$/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 parsing [default->ringback_183_uk_r ing] continue=false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (FAIL) [ringback_183_uk_ring] destination_number(910010) =~ /^9181$/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 parsing [default->ringback_183_musi c_ring] continue=false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (FAIL) [ringback_183_music_ri ng] destination_number(910010) =~ /^9182$/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 parsing [default->ringback_post_ans wer_uk_ring] continue=false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (FAIL) [ringback_post_answer_ uk_ring] destination_number(910010) =~ /^9183$/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 parsing [default->ringback_post_ans wer_music] continue=false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (FAIL) [ringback_post_answer_ music] destination_number(910010) =~ /^9184$/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 parsing [default->ClueCon] continue =false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (FAIL) [ClueCon] destination_ number(910010) =~ /^9191$/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 parsing [default->show_info] contin ue=false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (FAIL) [show_info] destinatio n_number(910010) =~ /^9192$/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 parsing [default->video_record] con tinue=false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (FAIL) [video_record] destina tion_number(910010) =~ /^9193$/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 parsing [default->video_playback] c ontinue=false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (FAIL) [video_playback] desti nation_number(910010) =~ /^9194$/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 parsing [default->delay_echo] conti nue=false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (FAIL) [delay_echo] destinati on_number(910010) =~ /^9195$/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 parsing [default->echo] continue=fa lse Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (FAIL) [echo] destination_num ber(910010) =~ /^9196$/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 parsing [default->milliwatt] contin ue=false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (FAIL) [milliwatt] destinatio n_number(910010) =~ /^9197$/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 parsing [default->tone_stream] cont inue=false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (FAIL) [tone_stream] destinat ion_number(910010) =~ /^9198$/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 parsing [default->zrtp_enrollement] continue=false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (FAIL) [zrtp_enrollement] des tination_number(910010) =~ /^9787$/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 parsing [default->hold_music] conti nue=false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (FAIL) [hold_music] destinati on_number(910010) =~ /^9664$/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 parsing [default->pizza_demo] conti nue=false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (FAIL) [pizza_demo] destinati on_number(910010) =~ /^(pizza|74992)$/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 parsing [default->local.example.com ] continue=false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (PASS) [local.example.com] ${ toll_allow}(domestic,international,local) =~ /local/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (FAIL) [local.example.com] de stination_number(910010) =~ /^(\d{7})$/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 parsing [default->domestic.example. com] continue=false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (PASS) [domestic.example.com] ${toll_allow}(domestic,international,local) =~ /domestic/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (FAIL) [domestic.example.com] destination_number(910010) =~ /^(\d{11})$/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 parsing [default->international.exa mple.com] continue=false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (PASS) [international.example .com] ${toll_allow}(domestic,international,local) =~ /international/ break=on-fa lse Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (FAIL) [international.example .com] destination_number(910010) =~ /^(011\d+)$/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 parsing [default->call_out] continu e=false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Regex (PASS) [call_out] destination _number(910010) =~ /^(9\d+)$/ break=on-false Dialplan: sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Action bridge(sofia/gateway/O utBound_GW/910010;transport=tcp) 2010-11-26 18:10:04.363710 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:119 (sofia/intern al/1001(a)192.168.200.23) State Change CS_ROUTING -> CS_EXECUTE 2010-11-26 18:10:04.363710 [DEBUG] switch_core_session.c:1064 Send signal sofia/ internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 [BREAK] 2010-11-26 18:10:04.363710 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:359 (sofia/intern al/1001(a)192.168.200.23) State ROUTING going to sleep 2010-11-26 18:10:04.363710 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:320 (sofia/intern al/1001(a)192.168.200.23) Running State Change CS_EXECUTE 2010-11-26 18:10:04.363710 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:366 (sofia/intern al/1001(a)192.168.200.23) State EXECUTE 2010-11-26 18:10:04.363710 [DEBUG] mod_sofia.c:242 sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.2 00.23 SOFIA EXECUTE 2010-11-26 18:10:04.363710 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:157 sofia/interna l/1001(a)192.168.200.23 Standard EXECUTE EXECUTE sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 set(open=true) 2010-11-26 18:10:04.363710 [DEBUG] mod_dptools.c:1028 sofia/internal/1001(a)192.16 8.200.23 SET [open]=[true] EXECUTE sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 hash(insert/192.168.200.23-spymap/100 1/4c35aa8c-da89-4204-a5bc-331d5db52030) EXECUTE sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 hash(insert/192.168.200.23-last_dial/ 1001/910010) EXECUTE sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 hash(insert/192.168.200.23-last_dial/ global/4c35aa8c-da89-4204-a5bc-331d5db52030) EXECUTE sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 set(RFC2822_DATE=Fri, 26 Nov 2010 18: 10:04 ) 2010-11-26 18:10:04.369710 [DEBUG] mod_dptools.c:1028 sofia/internal/1001(a)192.16 8.200.23 SET [RFC2822_DATE]=[Fri, 26 Nov 2010 18:10:04] EXECUTE sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 bridge(sofia/gateway/OutBound_G W/910010;transport=tcp) 2010-11-26 18:10:04.370711 [ERR] mod_sofia.c:3787 You are trying to use a differ ent transport type for this gateway (overriding the register-transport), this is unsupported! 2010-11-26 18:10:04.370711 [NOTICE] mod_sofia.c:4067 Close Channel N/A [CS_NEW] 2010-11-26 18:10:04.370711 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:452 () Running St ate Change CS_DESTROY 2010-11-26 18:10:04.370711 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:462 (N/A) State D ESTROY 2010-11-26 18:10:04.370711 [DEBUG] mod_sofia.c:364 N/A SOFIA DESTROY 2010-11-26 18:10:04.370711 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:462 (N/A) State D ESTROY going to sleep 2010-11-26 18:10:04.370711 [ERR] switch_ivr_originate.c:2618 Cannot create outgo ing channel of type [sofia] cause: [DESTINATION_OUT_OF_ORDER] 2010-11-26 18:10:04.370711 [DEBUG] switch_ivr_originate.c:3439 Originate Resulte d in Error Cause: 27 [DESTINATION_OUT_OF_ORDER] 2010-11-26 18:10:04.370711 [INFO] mod_dptools.c:2579 Originate Failed. Cause: D ESTINATION_OUT_OF_ORDER 2010-11-26 18:10:04.370711 [DEBUG] switch_channel.c:2457 (sofia/internal/1001@19 2.168.200.23) Callstate Change RINGING -> HANGUP 2010-11-26 18:10:04.372711 [NOTICE] mod_dptools.c:2642 Hangup sofia/internal/100 1(a)192.168.200.23 [CS_EXECUTE] [DESTINATION_OUT_OF_ORDER] 2010-11-26 18:10:04.372711 [DEBUG] switch_channel.c:2473 Send signal sofia/inter nal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 [KILL] 2010-11-26 18:10:04.372711 [DEBUG] switch_core_session.c:1064 Send signal sofia/ internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 [BREAK] 2010-11-26 18:10:04.373711 [DEBUG] switch_core_session.c:1940 sofia/internal/100 1(a)192.168.200.23 skip receive message [APPLICATION_EXEC_COMPLETE] (channel is hu ngup already) 2010-11-26 18:10:04.373711 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:366 (sofia/intern al/1001(a)192.168.200.23) State EXECUTE going to sleep 2010-11-26 18:10:04.373711 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:320 (sofia/intern al/1001(a)192.168.200.23) Running State Change CS_HANGUP 2010-11-26 18:10:04.376711 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:557 (sofia/intern al/1001(a)192.168.200.23) State HANGUP 2010-11-26 18:10:04.376711 [DEBUG] mod_sofia.c:459 Channel sofia/internal/1001@1 92.168.200.23 hanging up, cause: DESTINATION_OUT_OF_ORDER 2010-11-26 18:10:04.406713 [DEBUG] mod_sofia.c:521 Responding to INVITE with: 50 2 2010-11-26 18:10:04.408713 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:46 sofia/internal /1001(a)192.168.200.23 Standard HANGUP, cause: DESTINATION_OUT_OF_ORDER 2010-11-26 18:10:04.408713 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:557 (sofia/intern al/1001(a)192.168.200.23) State HANGUP going to sleep 2010-11-26 18:10:04.408713 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:351 (sofia/intern al/1001(a)192.168.200.23) State Change CS_HANGUP -> CS_REPORTING 2010-11-26 18:10:04.408713 [DEBUG] switch_core_session.c:1064 Send signal sofia/ internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 [BREAK] 2010-11-26 18:10:04.408713 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:320 (sofia/intern al/1001(a)192.168.200.23) Running State Change CS_REPORTING 2010-11-26 18:10:04.408713 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:617 (sofia/intern al/1001(a)192.168.200.23) State REPORTING 2010-11-26 18:10:04.409713 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:53 sofia/internal /1001(a)192.168.200.23 Standard REPORTING, cause: DESTINATION_OUT_OF_ORDER 2010-11-26 18:10:04.409713 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:617 (sofia/intern al/1001(a)192.168.200.23) State REPORTING going to sleep 2010-11-26 18:10:04.409713 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:345 (sofia/intern al/1001(a)192.168.200.23) State Change CS_REPORTING -> CS_DESTROY 2010-11-26 18:10:04.410713 [DEBUG] switch_core_session.c:1064 Send signal sofia/ internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 [BREAK] 2010-11-26 18:10:04.410713 [DEBUG] switch_core_session.c:1231 Session 3 (sofia/i nternal/1001(a)192.168.200.23) Locked, Waiting on external entities 2010-11-26 18:10:04.410713 [NOTICE] switch_core_session.c:1249 Session 3 (sofia/ internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23) Ended 2010-11-26 18:10:04.410713 [NOTICE] switch_core_session.c:1251 Close Channel sof ia/internal/1001(a)192.168.200.23 [CS_DESTROY] 2010-11-26 18:10:04.410713 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:449 (sofia/intern al/1001(a)192.168.200.23) Callstate Change HANGUP -> DOWN 2010-11-26 18:10:04.410713 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:452 (sofia/intern al/1001(a)192.168.200.23) Running State Change CS_DESTROY 2010-11-26 18:10:04.410713 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:462 (sofia/intern al/1001(a)192.168.200.23) State DESTROY 2010-11-26 18:10:04.410713 [DEBUG] mod_sofia.c:364 sofia/internal/1001(a)192.168.2 00.23 SOFIA DESTROY 2010-11-26 18:10:04.410713 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:60 sofia/internal /1001(a)192.168.200.23 Standard DESTROY 2010-11-26 18:10:04.410713 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:462 (sofia/intern al/1001(a)192.168.200.23) State DESTROY going to sleep Best Regards, Charles

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Alarm Receiver for FreeSWITCH?
by Jim Lynch 23 Nov '10

23 Nov '10

Alarmreceiver is an Asterisk application for the security industry. From the description of the module, "This application emulates an SIA (Ademco) Contact ID alarm receiver. The Contact ID protocol is the most popular signalling protocol used between alarm panels and central stations." In a nutshell, an alarm panel calls an phone number connected to the switch. The switch answers and waits for a series of DTMF tones. The switch and panel communicate by exchanging tones. The panel closes the connection and the switch takes action. From what I've been able to understand, the switch records the event in a file. From my perusal of the FS documentation I believe this same functionality can be performed by a FS module but since I haven't actually written modules I'm obviously not aware of the limitations. So my question is, "is this something that can actually be done?" Thanks, Jim.

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wanpipe compilation error
by ovvenkat 23 Nov '10

23 Nov '10

Hi to all, When I am trying compile wanpipe on FC-14 64-bit, I am getting following error, *#make freetdm* ..... ..... make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/wanpipe-3.5.17.9/api/libsangoma' make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/wanpipe-3.5.17.9/api/libsangoma' make -C api/libstelephony clean make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/wanpipe-3.5.17.9/api/libstelephony' test -z "libstelephony.a" || rm -f libstelephony.a test -z "libstelephony.la" || rm -f libstelephony.la rm -f "./so_locations" rm -rf .libs _libs rm -f *.o rm -f *.lo make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/wanpipe-3.5.17.9/api/libstelephony' make -C api/libstelephony all make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/wanpipe-3.5.17.9/api/libstelephony' make all-am make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/wanpipe-3.5.17.9/api/libstelephony' make[2]: *** No rule to make target `libstelephony.c', needed by `libstelephony.o'. Stop. make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/wanpipe-3.5.17.9/api/libstelephony' make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/wanpipe-3.5.17.9/api/libstelephony' make: *** [all_lib] Error 2 Any one plz tell, Why its happening and how to rectify this? -- Regards Venkatesan OV.

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"Yes" or "No", ASR application in lua script
by ovvenkat 23 Nov '10

23 Nov '10

Hi. Anyone plz provide or suggest me , where I can find simple "YES" (or) "NO" ASR application in LUA script. -- Regards Venkatesan OV.

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voicemail messages
by Bernhard Suttner 23 Nov '10

23 Nov '10

Hi, I am using the voicemail application. All the data related to voicemail is stored on a database host. Is it somehow possible to store the recoreded voicemail itself also on the database? Currently only the voicemail informations and the path to the voicemail file is within the database. I am appreciated for every hint. Best regards, Bernhard Suttner

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redirect 302
by Gustavo Espeche 23 Nov '10

23 Nov '10

hello, we are try to configure a service, when we have a provider that inform to as if the number is ported, and send back the a number with a new prefix with 302 redirect caller 11134xxx----------invite---> FS ----invite-------->provider FS <-302---------- 22234xxxx provider FS -invite---22234xxx-> provider 2 caller <-----ring-------------- FS <------------ring---provider 2 we use xml_curl to routing, the question is how can routing the second-time based in redirect messaje. How can send the routing request to xml_curl based in redirect. Best Regards. Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com

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Extensions cannot be called
by Istvan Turbucz 23 Nov '10

23 Nov '10

Hi, I have enclosed a short part of my log. The problem is that an extension cannot give a call to an other extensions. Both extensions are registered correctly. Firewall ist not a problem: These extensions were already be able to be called same days ago within the same LAN. The NAT / Firewall-Settings ware not changed. Something was changed in FusionPBX or FreeSwith which makes the system wrong. Could you help me? What I have already made: - external.xml and internal.xml were recovered - FreeSwitch was restarted - all extension have "public" in user context LOG: http://pastebin.com/JxUBANaV Thank you very much for your help. Regards, I.

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Re: [Freeswitch-users] SQLite CoreDB issues
by Jeffrey Leung 23 Nov '10

23 Nov '10

Have you checked the disks to see if they're functioning correctly, perhaps your disk's cables aren't properly seated? Also, have you checked if there's a firmware update for your BIOS/Disk controllers to see if there was an update to fix these issues? What SQLite is spitting out seems like to be mainly an I/O issue with the disks, I may be wrong, but it seems like to be it. On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Ahmed Ajmal <ahmed.ajmal(a)breezecom.ae> wrote: > Hi > > > > We have been testing freeswitch(version: FreeSWITCH Version 1.0.head > (git-3acc5fd 2010-11-15 20-02-47 -0500) lately with real traffic from our > customers and noticed that after running for 12+ hours freeswitch stops > accepting calls, I had reported a couple of bugs on JIRA but it looks like > it may not be a freeswitch issue rather a SQLite issue, here are a few lines > from the freeswitch logs: > > > > freeswitch.log.2010-11-23-00-35-04.1:2010-11-23 00:34:51.333791 [ERR] > switch_core_sqldb.c:457 SQL ERR [disk I/O error] > > freeswitch.log.2010-11-23-00-35-04.1:2010-11-23 00:34:51.636870 [ERR] > switch_core_sqldb.c:457 SQL ERR [file is encrypted or is not a database] > > freeswitch.log.2010-11-23-00-35-04.1:2010-11-23 00:35:03.249589 [ERR] > switch_core_sqldb.c:457 SQL ERR [file is encrypted or is not a database] > > freeswitch.log.2010-11-23-00-35-20.1:2010-11-23 00:35:05.519508 [ERR] > switch_core_sqldb.c:457 SQL ERR [file is encrypted or is not a database] > > freeswitch.log.2010-11-23-00-35-20.1:2010-11-23 00:35:11.008455 [ERR] > switch_core_sqldb.c:457 SQL ERR [disk I/O error] > > > > Previously I had tried to move the db from sqlite to MySQL but on the wiki > it says that I cannot move the core db part to MySQL as its SQLite only. So > I guess that wouldn’t help fixing the above problem. So, is there a plan to > add MySQL core db support in the future? > > > > Thanks > > Ahmed > > _______________________________________________ > FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > FreeSWITCH-users(a)lists.freeswitch.org > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > http://www.freeswitch.org > >

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SQLite CoreDB issues
by Ahmed Ajmal 23 Nov '10

23 Nov '10

Hi We have been testing freeswitch(version: FreeSWITCH Version 1.0.head (git-3acc5fd 2010-11-15 20-02-47 -0500) lately with real traffic from our customers and noticed that after running for 12+ hours freeswitch stops accepting calls, I had reported a couple of bugs on JIRA but it looks like it may not be a freeswitch issue rather a SQLite issue, here are a few lines from the freeswitch logs: freeswitch.log.2010-11-23-00-35-04.1:2010-11-23 00:34:51.333791 [ERR] switch_core_sqldb.c:457 SQL ERR [disk I/O error] freeswitch.log.2010-11-23-00-35-04.1:2010-11-23 00:34:51.636870 [ERR] switch_core_sqldb.c:457 SQL ERR [file is encrypted or is not a database] freeswitch.log.2010-11-23-00-35-04.1:2010-11-23 00:35:03.249589 [ERR] switch_core_sqldb.c:457 SQL ERR [file is encrypted or is not a database] freeswitch.log.2010-11-23-00-35-20.1:2010-11-23 00:35:05.519508 [ERR] switch_core_sqldb.c:457 SQL ERR [file is encrypted or is not a database] freeswitch.log.2010-11-23-00-35-20.1:2010-11-23 00:35:11.008455 [ERR] switch_core_sqldb.c:457 SQL ERR [disk I/O error] Previously I had tried to move the db from sqlite to MySQL but on the wiki it says that I cannot move the core db part to MySQL as its SQLite only. So I guess that wouldn't help fixing the above problem. So, is there a plan to add MySQL core db support in the future? Thanks Ahmed

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Pizza Demo in LUA
by ovvenkat 23 Nov '10

23 Nov '10

Hi to all, Any one plz suggest me, where I can find ASR sample demo in Lua script. I dont like javascript. Regards, Venkat. -- If you have come to help me, you are wasting your time. If you have come to because your liberation is bound up in mine, we can work together. Regards Venkatesan OV.

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