Has anyone investigated the new FaxxBochs offering? It appears to handle the analog fax machine locally, then send the fax as a data TCP connection to the server (as a TIFF or JPG I would guess). It totally removes the VOIP problem with fax machines and is a clever solution. $30 a month unlimited in and out is reasonable, but I would rather have that income myself. It would be great if I could resell it and make a cut, but they require 75 device sales the first year. If someone knows anything about "reconfiguring" one of these, I would love to read about it. Sean
Make your own using FS. It wouldn't seem to be that difficult. Brian Foster Endigo Computer LLC Sent from a mobile device. On Jun 19, 2012 1:36 PM, "Sean Devoy" <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> wrote:
Has anyone investigated the new FaxxBochs offering? It appears to handle the analog fax machine locally, then send the fax as a data TCP connection to the server (as a TIFF or JPG I would guess). It totally removes the VOIP problem with fax machines and is a clever solution. $30 a month unlimited in and out is reasonable, but I would rather have that income myself.****
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It would be great if I could resell it and make a cut, but they require 75 device sales the first year. ****
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If someone knows anything about “reconfiguring” one of these, I would love to read about it.****
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P.s. if ur in the US email me offlist. That is something I've had on my list for quite some time. Brian Foster Endigo Computer LLC Sent from a mobile device. On Jun 19, 2012 2:18 PM, "Brian Foster" <bdfoster@endigotech.com> wrote:
Make your own using FS. It wouldn't seem to be that difficult.
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Sent from a mobile device. On Jun 19, 2012 1:36 PM, "Sean Devoy" <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> wrote:
Has anyone investigated the new FaxxBochs offering? It appears to handle the analog fax machine locally, then send the fax as a data TCP connection to the server (as a TIFF or JPG I would guess). It totally removes the VOIP problem with fax machines and is a clever solution. $30 a month unlimited in and out is reasonable, but I would rather have that income myself.****
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It would be great if I could resell it and make a cut, but they require 75 device sales the first year. ****
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If someone knows anything about “reconfiguring” one of these, I would love to read about it.****
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Sean****
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On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> wrote:
Has anyone investigated the new FaxxBochs offering? It appears to handle the analog fax machine locally, then send the fax as a data TCP connection to the server (as a TIFF or JPG I would guess).
Given how it works, they should have named it FauxBochs. Gabe
I think it would be wonderful if all VoIP admins and providers collectively told the people needing fax service that it has been completely phased out. I think it would be great if stores stopped selling fax machines and all remaining fax machines were recycled. The only reason faxing still exists is because of the few people that refuse to let it die. ___________________ Mobile Reply On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Gabriel Gunderson <gabe@gundy.org> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> wrote:
Has anyone investigated the new FaxxBochs offering? It appears to handle the analog fax machine locally, then send the fax as a data TCP connection to the server (as a TIFF or JPG I would guess).
Given how it works, they should have named it FauxBochs.
Gabe
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True, but in some jurisdictions a signed fax is admissible as court evidence where the same email transmission would not be. So from a legal standpoint there's still a need, unfortunately. However, building a 'virtual fax machine' on freeswitch isn't particularly difficult. On 9 July 2012 18:02, Chris Ferreira <chris@gonumina.com> wrote:
I think it would be wonderful if all VoIP admins and providers collectively told the people needing fax service that it has been completely phased out.
I think it would be great if stores stopped selling fax machines and all remaining fax machines were recycled.
The only reason faxing still exists is because of the few people that refuse to let it die.
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On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> wrote:
Has anyone investigated the new FaxxBochs offering? It appears to handle the analog fax machine locally, then send the fax as a data TCP connection to the server (as a TIFF or JPG I would guess).
Given how it works, they should have named it FauxBochs.
Gabe
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I was more speaking along the lines of analog fax machines. We continue to support them and it's stunting innovation. ___________________ Mobile Reply On Jul 9, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Andrew Cassidy <andrew@cassidywebservices.co.uk> wrote: True, but in some jurisdictions a signed fax is admissible as court evidence where the same email transmission would not be. So from a legal standpoint there's still a need, unfortunately. However, building a 'virtual fax machine' on freeswitch isn't particularly difficult. On 9 July 2012 18:02, Chris Ferreira <chris@gonumina.com> wrote:
I think it would be wonderful if all VoIP admins and providers collectively told the people needing fax service that it has been completely phased out.
I think it would be great if stores stopped selling fax machines and all remaining fax machines were recycled.
The only reason faxing still exists is because of the few people that refuse to let it die.
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On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> wrote:
Has anyone investigated the new FaxxBochs offering? It appears to handle the analog fax machine locally, then send the fax as a data TCP connection to the server (as a TIFF or JPG I would guess).
Given how it works, they should have named it FauxBochs.
Gabe
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You know if I told my boss that all fax machines were phased out . I wouldn't have a job. He's gonna say my job is to make our equipment work not force them to switch to different methods On Jul 9, 2012 2:18 PM, "Chris Ferreira" <chris@gonumina.com> wrote:
I think it would be wonderful if all VoIP admins and providers collectively told the people needing fax service that it has been completely phased out.
I think it would be great if stores stopped selling fax machines and all remaining fax machines were recycled.
The only reason faxing still exists is because of the few people that refuse to let it die.
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On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> wrote:
Has anyone investigated the new FaxxBochs offering? It appears to handle the analog fax machine locally, then send the fax as a data TCP connection to the server (as a TIFF or JPG I would guess).
Given how it works, they should have named it FauxBochs.
Gabe
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I disagree. The job of any telecom or IT professional is to also educate and circulate out antiquated equipment. I don't know why we still accept the use of faxes when things like typewriters have pretty much been eliminated. ___________________ Mobile Reply On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:07 PM, BookBag <asaad2@gmail.com> wrote: You know if I told my boss that all fax machines were phased out . I wouldn't have a job. He's gonna say my job is to make our equipment work not force them to switch to different methods On Jul 9, 2012 2:18 PM, "Chris Ferreira" <chris@gonumina.com> wrote:
I think it would be wonderful if all VoIP admins and providers collectively told the people needing fax service that it has been completely phased out.
I think it would be great if stores stopped selling fax machines and all remaining fax machines were recycled.
The only reason faxing still exists is because of the few people that refuse to let it die.
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On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> wrote:
Has anyone investigated the new FaxxBochs offering? It appears to handle the analog fax machine locally, then send the fax as a data TCP connection to the server (as a TIFF or JPG I would guess).
Given how it works, they should have named it FauxBochs.
Gabe
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Faxes carry legal standing that email does not. So, you can want a better solution, but the reality is that fax won't disappear soon. In fact, as I understand, part of T.38 was driven by legal requirements. -Michael From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Chris Ferreira Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 6:13 PM To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FaxxBochs hackers? I disagree. The job of any telecom or IT professional is to also educate and circulate out antiquated equipment. I don't know why we still accept the use of faxes when things like typewriters have pretty much been eliminated. ___________________ Mobile Reply On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:07 PM, BookBag <asaad2@gmail.com<mailto:asaad2@gmail.com>> wrote: You know if I told my boss that all fax machines were phased out . I wouldn't have a job. He's gonna say my job is to make our equipment work not force them to switch to different methods On Jul 9, 2012 2:18 PM, "Chris Ferreira" <chris@gonumina.com<mailto:chris@gonumina.com>> wrote: I think it would be wonderful if all VoIP admins and providers collectively told the people needing fax service that it has been completely phased out. I think it would be great if stores stopped selling fax machines and all remaining fax machines were recycled. The only reason faxing still exists is because of the few people that refuse to let it die. ___________________ Mobile Reply On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Gabriel Gunderson <gabe@gundy.org<mailto:gabe@gundy.org>> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com<mailto:sdevoy@bizfocused.com>> wrote:
Has anyone investigated the new FaxxBochs offering? It appears to handle the analog fax machine locally, then send the fax as a data TCP connection to the server (as a TIFF or JPG I would guess).
Given how it works, they should have named it FauxBochs.
Gabe
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There are more modern ways of legally transmitting documents. Signed and all. I have several clients that are practicing lawyers in multiple states and my own brother has a law firm. These are simply excuses. My point is that there ARE better ways. We just keep enabling a poor, old, and broken technology. ___________________ Mobile Reply On Jul 9, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Michael Giagnocavo <mgg@giagnocavo.net> wrote: Faxes carry legal standing that email does not. So, you can want a better solution, but the reality is that fax won’t disappear soon. In fact, as I understand, part of T.38 was driven by legal requirements. -Michael *From:* freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] *On Behalf Of *Chris Ferreira *Sent:* Monday, July 09, 2012 6:13 PM *To:* FreeSWITCH Users Help *Subject:* Re: [Freeswitch-users] FaxxBochs hackers? I disagree. The job of any telecom or IT professional is to also educate and circulate out antiquated equipment. I don't know why we still accept the use of faxes when things like typewriters have pretty much been eliminated. ___________________ Mobile Reply On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:07 PM, BookBag <asaad2@gmail.com> wrote: You know if I told my boss that all fax machines were phased out . I wouldn't have a job. He's gonna say my job is to make our equipment work not force them to switch to different methods On Jul 9, 2012 2:18 PM, "Chris Ferreira" <chris@gonumina.com> wrote: I think it would be wonderful if all VoIP admins and providers collectively told the people needing fax service that it has been completely phased out. I think it would be great if stores stopped selling fax machines and all remaining fax machines were recycled. The only reason faxing still exists is because of the few people that refuse to let it die. ___________________ Mobile Reply On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Gabriel Gunderson <gabe@gundy.org> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> wrote:
Has anyone investigated the new FaxxBochs offering? It appears to handle the analog fax machine locally, then send the fax as a data TCP connection to the server (as a TIFF or JPG I would guess).
Given how it works, they should have named it FauxBochs.
Gabe
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Sure, and I wholeheartedly agree. But none of these arguments are compelling to users, and making them just means you'll lose a sale. It's unlikely a large fax customer is going to say "Wow, you know, I now realize faxes are just ancient relics, and we're going to ditch them." By not enabling faxes, you only end up harming the customer. -Michael From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Chris Ferreira Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 8:31 PM To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FaxxBochs hackers? There are more modern ways of legally transmitting documents. Signed and all. I have several clients that are practicing lawyers in multiple states and my own brother has a law firm. These are simply excuses. My point is that there ARE better ways. We just keep enabling a poor, old, and broken technology. ___________________ Mobile Reply On Jul 9, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Michael Giagnocavo <mgg@giagnocavo.net<mailto:mgg@giagnocavo.net>> wrote: Faxes carry legal standing that email does not. So, you can want a better solution, but the reality is that fax won't disappear soon. In fact, as I understand, part of T.38 was driven by legal requirements. -Michael From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org<mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org> [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org<mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org>] On Behalf Of Chris Ferreira Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 6:13 PM To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FaxxBochs hackers? I disagree. The job of any telecom or IT professional is to also educate and circulate out antiquated equipment. I don't know why we still accept the use of faxes when things like typewriters have pretty much been eliminated. ___________________ Mobile Reply On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:07 PM, BookBag <asaad2@gmail.com<mailto:asaad2@gmail.com>> wrote: You know if I told my boss that all fax machines were phased out . I wouldn't have a job. He's gonna say my job is to make our equipment work not force them to switch to different methods On Jul 9, 2012 2:18 PM, "Chris Ferreira" <chris@gonumina.com<mailto:chris@gonumina.com>> wrote: I think it would be wonderful if all VoIP admins and providers collectively told the people needing fax service that it has been completely phased out. I think it would be great if stores stopped selling fax machines and all remaining fax machines were recycled. The only reason faxing still exists is because of the few people that refuse to let it die. ___________________ Mobile Reply On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Gabriel Gunderson <gabe@gundy.org<mailto:gabe@gundy.org>> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com<mailto:sdevoy@bizfocused.com>> wrote:
Has anyone investigated the new FaxxBochs offering? It appears to handle the analog fax machine locally, then send the fax as a data TCP connection to the server (as a TIFF or JPG I would guess).
Given how it works, they should have named it FauxBochs.
Gabe
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Besides, fax is fun, right? Brian Foster Endigo Computer LLC Sent from a mobile device. On Jul 10, 2012 12:43 AM, "Michael Giagnocavo" <mgg@giagnocavo.net> wrote:
Sure, and I wholeheartedly agree. But none of these arguments are compelling to users, and making them just means you’ll lose a sale. It’s unlikely a large fax customer is going to say “Wow, you know, I now realize faxes are just ancient relics, and we’re going to ditch them.” By not enabling faxes, you only end up harming the customer.****
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-Michael****
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*From:* freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] *On Behalf Of *Chris Ferreira *Sent:* Monday, July 09, 2012 8:31 PM *To:* FreeSWITCH Users Help *Subject:* Re: [Freeswitch-users] FaxxBochs hackers?****
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There are more modern ways of legally transmitting documents. Signed and all. I have several clients that are practicing lawyers in multiple states and my own brother has a law firm.****
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These are simply excuses. My point is that there ARE better ways. We just keep enabling a poor, old, and broken technology.****
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On Jul 9, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Michael Giagnocavo <mgg@giagnocavo.net> wrote:****
Faxes carry legal standing that email does not. So, you can want a better solution, but the reality is that fax won’t disappear soon. In fact, as I understand, part of T.38 was driven by legal requirements.****
****
-Michael****
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I disagree. The job of any telecom or IT professional is to also educate and circulate out antiquated equipment.****
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I don't know why we still accept the use of faxes when things like typewriters have pretty much been eliminated.****
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On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:07 PM, BookBag <asaad2@gmail.com> wrote:****
You know if I told my boss that all fax machines were phased out . I wouldn't have a job. He's gonna say my job is to make our equipment work not force them to switch to different methods****
On Jul 9, 2012 2:18 PM, "Chris Ferreira" <chris@gonumina.com> wrote:****
I think it would be wonderful if all VoIP admins and providers collectively told the people needing fax service that it has been completely phased out.
I think it would be great if stores stopped selling fax machines and all remaining fax machines were recycled.
The only reason faxing still exists is because of the few people that refuse to let it die.
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On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Gabriel Gunderson <gabe@gundy.org> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> wrote:
Has anyone investigated the new FaxxBochs offering? It appears to handle the analog fax machine locally, then send the fax as a data TCP connection to the server (as a TIFF or JPG I would guess).
Given how it works, they should have named it FauxBochs.
Gabe
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Yes, faxing is great fun! But it's true, if you're working for someone you can recommend better ways, but if a client says 'I want fax' and you say 'no', kiss that sale goodbye. I'd rather support faxing (which freeswitch makes pretty simple) than lose out on all the money! On 10 July 2012 12:12, Brian Foster <bdfoster@endigotech.com> wrote:
Besides, fax is fun, right?
Brian Foster Endigo Computer LLC
Sent from a mobile device. On Jul 10, 2012 12:43 AM, "Michael Giagnocavo" <mgg@giagnocavo.net> wrote:
Sure, and I wholeheartedly agree. But none of these arguments are compelling to users, and making them just means you’ll lose a sale. It’s unlikely a large fax customer is going to say “Wow, you know, I now realize faxes are just ancient relics, and we’re going to ditch them.” By not enabling faxes, you only end up harming the customer.****
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-Michael****
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*From:* freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] *On Behalf Of *Chris Ferreira *Sent:* Monday, July 09, 2012 8:31 PM *To:* FreeSWITCH Users Help *Subject:* Re: [Freeswitch-users] FaxxBochs hackers?****
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There are more modern ways of legally transmitting documents. Signed and all. I have several clients that are practicing lawyers in multiple states and my own brother has a law firm.****
** **
These are simply excuses. My point is that there ARE better ways. We just keep enabling a poor, old, and broken technology.****
___________________****
Mobile Reply****
On Jul 9, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Michael Giagnocavo <mgg@giagnocavo.net> wrote:****
Faxes carry legal standing that email does not. So, you can want a better solution, but the reality is that fax won’t disappear soon. In fact, as I understand, part of T.38 was driven by legal requirements.****
****
-Michael****
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*From:* freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] *On Behalf Of *Chris Ferreira *Sent:* Monday, July 09, 2012 6:13 PM *To:* FreeSWITCH Users Help *Subject:* Re: [Freeswitch-users] FaxxBochs hackers?****
****
I disagree. The job of any telecom or IT professional is to also educate and circulate out antiquated equipment.****
****
I don't know why we still accept the use of faxes when things like typewriters have pretty much been eliminated.****
___________________****
Mobile Reply****
On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:07 PM, BookBag <asaad2@gmail.com> wrote:****
You know if I told my boss that all fax machines were phased out . I wouldn't have a job. He's gonna say my job is to make our equipment work not force them to switch to different methods****
On Jul 9, 2012 2:18 PM, "Chris Ferreira" <chris@gonumina.com> wrote:****
I think it would be wonderful if all VoIP admins and providers collectively told the people needing fax service that it has been completely phased out.
I think it would be great if stores stopped selling fax machines and all remaining fax machines were recycled.
The only reason faxing still exists is because of the few people that refuse to let it die.
___________________ Mobile Reply
On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Gabriel Gunderson <gabe@gundy.org> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> wrote:
Has anyone investigated the new FaxxBochs offering? It appears to handle the analog fax machine locally, then send the fax as a data TCP connection to the server (as a TIFF or JPG I would guess).
Given how it works, they should have named it FauxBochs.
Gabe
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All. Still a lot of fax requirements in the finance world here - some brokers still require it. T.38 makes things easier without the admin having to worry about legal issues due to the "realtime" nature of the transmission. Yes, it is silly, as anyone can fiddle with the time in their receiving device, anyone as a sender can change their T30 ID, but somehow it is quite fun seeing old fax machines talking to each other, over the internet, with no idea there isn't a real analog PSTN line involved anywhere! In an ideal world everyone would know how to verify, eg, a PGP signed document sent via email/sftp etc but I can't see the adoption reaching critical mass for an audience like ours in my lifetime. Too many proprietary "easy-to-use" "secure email" services that just fragment the market, ignore established standards and detract from everyone adopting a common mechanism. And the stuff with RFCs: S/MIME anyone? SSMTP? Feels like p**sing in the wind when I talk to non-techies about those, let alone PKI and trust networks. Only huge corps and govermnent ever use such things and even then it's a nightmare to enrol in their schemes due to the huge mass of forms you have to fill in! Cheers Alex On 10/07/12 17:50, Andrew Cassidy wrote:
Yes, faxing is great fun! But it's true, if you're working for someone you can recommend better ways, but if a client says 'I want fax' and you say 'no', kiss that sale goodbye. I'd rather support faxing (which freeswitch makes pretty simple) than lose out on all the money!
On 10 July 2012 12:12, Brian Foster <bdfoster@endigotech.com <mailto:bdfoster@endigotech.com>> wrote:
Besides, fax is fun, right?
Brian Foster Endigo Computer LLC
Sent from a mobile device.
On Jul 10, 2012 12:43 AM, "Michael Giagnocavo" <mgg@giagnocavo.net <mailto:mgg@giagnocavo.net>> wrote:
Sure, and I wholeheartedly agree. But none of these arguments are compelling to users, and making them just means you'll lose a sale. It's unlikely a large fax customer is going to say "Wow, you know, I now realize faxes are just ancient relics, and we're going to ditch them." By not enabling faxes, you only end up harming the customer.
-Michael
*From:*freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org <mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org> [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org <mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org>] *On Behalf Of *Chris Ferreira *Sent:* Monday, July 09, 2012 8:31 PM *To:* FreeSWITCH Users Help *Subject:* Re: [Freeswitch-users] FaxxBochs hackers?
There are more modern ways of legally transmitting documents. Signed and all. I have several clients that are practicing lawyers in multiple states and my own brother has a law firm.
These are simply excuses. My point is that there ARE better ways. We just keep enabling a poor, old, and broken technology.
___________________
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On Jul 9, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Michael Giagnocavo <mgg@giagnocavo.net <mailto:mgg@giagnocavo.net>> wrote:
Faxes carry legal standing that email does not. So, you can want a better solution, but the reality is that fax won't disappear soon. In fact, as I understand, part of T.38 was driven by legal requirements.
-Michael
*From:*freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org <mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org> [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org <mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org>] *On Behalf Of *Chris Ferreira *Sent:* Monday, July 09, 2012 6:13 PM *To:* FreeSWITCH Users Help *Subject:* Re: [Freeswitch-users] FaxxBochs hackers?
I disagree. The job of any telecom or IT professional is to also educate and circulate out antiquated equipment.
I don't know why we still accept the use of faxes when things like typewriters have pretty much been eliminated.
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On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:07 PM, BookBag <asaad2@gmail.com <mailto:asaad2@gmail.com>> wrote:
You know if I told my boss that all fax machines were phased out . I wouldn't have a job. He's gonna say my job is to make our equipment work not force them to switch to different methods
On Jul 9, 2012 2:18 PM, "Chris Ferreira" <chris@gonumina.com <mailto:chris@gonumina.com>> wrote:
I think it would be wonderful if all VoIP admins and providers collectively told the people needing fax service that it has been completely phased out.
I think it would be great if stores stopped selling fax machines and all remaining fax machines were recycled.
The only reason faxing still exists is because of the few people that refuse to let it die.
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On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Gabriel Gunderson <gabe@gundy.org <mailto:gabe@gundy.org>> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com <mailto:sdevoy@bizfocused.com>> wrote: >> Has anyone investigated the new FaxxBochs offering? It appears to handle the >> analog fax machine locally, then send the fax as a data TCP connection to >> the server (as a TIFF or JPG I would guess). > > Given how it works, they should have named it FauxBochs. > > > Gabe > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: > consulting@freeswitch.org <mailto:consulting@freeswitch.org> > http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com > > FreeSWITCH-powered IP PBX: The CudaTel Communication Server > http://www.cudatel.com > > Official FreeSWITCH Sites > http://www.freeswitch.org > http://wiki.freeswitch.org > http://www.cluecon.com > > Join Us At ClueCon - Aug 7-9, 2012 > > FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org <mailto:FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org> > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > http://www.freeswitch.org
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On 07/10/2012 01:02 AM, Chris Ferreira wrote:
I think it would be wonderful if all VoIP admins and providers collectively told the people needing fax service that it has been completely phased out.
I think it would be great if stores stopped selling fax machines and all remaining fax machines were recycled.
The only reason faxing still exists is because of the few people that refuse to let it die. Right, and burn them at the stake if they won't show allegiance to e-mail.
Steve
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On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Gabriel Gunderson <gabe@gundy.org> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> wrote:
Has anyone investigated the new FaxxBochs offering? It appears to handle the analog fax machine locally, then send the fax as a data TCP connection to the server (as a TIFF or JPG I would guess). Given how it works, they should have named it FauxBochs.
Gabe
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Gabe, ...they suck? Brian Foster Endigo Computer LLC Sent from a mobile device. On Jul 9, 2012 12:31 PM, "Gabriel Gunderson" <gabe@gundy.org> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> wrote:
Has anyone investigated the new FaxxBochs offering? It appears to handle the analog fax machine locally, then send the fax as a data TCP connection to the server (as a TIFF or JPG I would guess).
Given how it works, they should have named it FauxBochs.
Gabe
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On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Gabriel Gunderson <gabe@gundy.org> wrote:
Given how it works, they should have named it FauxBochs.
No, it wasn't meant to be critical of the product; I've never used it. Rather, it was commentary on how they're faking faxs. " It appears to handle the analog fax machine locally, then send the fax as a data TCP connection to the server (as a TIFF or JPG I would guess)." Faux: Not genuine; fake or false... "her faux New York accent". Anything that kills real fax is okay by me. Nothing more :) Gabe
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> wrote:
Has anyone investigated the new FaxxBochs offering? It appears to handle the analog fax machine locally, then send the fax as a data TCP connection to the server (as a TIFF or JPG I would guess). It totally removes the VOIP problem with fax machines and is a clever solution. $30 a month unlimited in and out is reasonable, but I would rather have that income myself.
It would be great if I could resell it and make a cut, but they require 75 device sales the first year.
If someone knows anything about “reconfiguring” one of these, I would love to read about it.
Sean
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looking at their other offerings, I would guess that its a four port asterisk box with IAX modem connecting to hylafax to "receive" the inbound fax and then send it to their "datacenter" hyalafax server(s) for onward transmission using the "proxy" feature in jobcontrol, inbound would work in the same way but the other way around. The AES 256 encryption could well just be SSL... not a bad solution if you must have fax and don't have PSTN (or ISDN) connectivity, but as its store and forward, I'm not sure how it plays out legally...
As you move from the single port to the 4 port version of FaxxBochs, its only an extra $20 or so per port. The base unit is also pretty cheap compared to any of the little Asterisk boxes around. They just don't need the complexity of Asterisk. They just need a processor that can run 4 instances of V.17 (I don't think they do V.34) and a fairly simple TCP stack to interact with the server. Steve On 07/11/2012 12:48 AM, shouldbe q931 wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> wrote:
Has anyone investigated the new FaxxBochs offering? It appears to handle the analog fax machine locally, then send the fax as a data TCP connection to the server (as a TIFF or JPG I would guess). It totally removes the VOIP problem with fax machines and is a clever solution. $30 a month unlimited in and out is reasonable, but I would rather have that income myself.
It would be great if I could resell it and make a cut, but they require 75 device sales the first year.
If someone knows anything about “reconfiguring” one of these, I would love to read about it.
Sean
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looking at their other offerings, I would guess that its a four port asterisk box with IAX modem connecting to hylafax to "receive" the inbound fax and then send it to their "datacenter" hyalafax server(s) for onward transmission using the "proxy" feature in jobcontrol, inbound would work in the same way but the other way around. The AES 256 encryption could well just be SSL...
not a bad solution if you must have fax and don't have PSTN (or ISDN) connectivity, but as its store and forward, I'm not sure how it plays out legally...
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