All.

Still a lot of fax requirements in the finance world here - some brokers still require it.

T.38 makes things easier without the admin having to worry about legal issues due to the "realtime" nature of the transmission. Yes, it is silly, as anyone can fiddle with the time in their receiving device, anyone as a sender can change their T30 ID, but somehow it is quite fun seeing old fax machines talking to each other, over the internet, with no idea there isn't a real analog PSTN line involved anywhere!

In an ideal world everyone would know how to verify, eg, a PGP signed document sent via email/sftp etc but I can't see the adoption reaching critical mass for an audience like ours in my lifetime. Too many proprietary "easy-to-use" "secure email" services that just fragment the market, ignore established standards and detract from everyone adopting a common mechanism. And the stuff with RFCs: S/MIME anyone? SSMTP? Feels like p**sing in the wind when I talk to non-techies about those, let alone PKI and trust networks. Only huge corps and govermnent ever use such things and even then it's a nightmare to enrol in their schemes due to the huge mass of forms you have to fill in!

Cheers

Alex



On 10/07/12 17:50, Andrew Cassidy wrote:
Yes, faxing is great fun! But it's true, if you're working for someone you can recommend better ways, but if a client says 'I want fax' and you say 'no', kiss that sale goodbye. I'd rather support faxing (which freeswitch makes pretty simple) than lose out on all the money! 

On 10 July 2012 12:12, Brian Foster <bdfoster@endigotech.com> wrote:

Besides, fax is fun, right?

Brian Foster
Endigo Computer LLC

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On Jul 10, 2012 12:43 AM, "Michael Giagnocavo" <mgg@giagnocavo.net> wrote:

Sure, and I wholeheartedly agree. But none of these arguments are compelling to users, and making them just means you’ll lose a sale. It’s unlikely a large fax customer is going to say “Wow, you know, I now realize faxes are just ancient relics, and we’re going to ditch them.” By not enabling faxes, you only end up harming the customer.

 

-Michael

 

From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Chris Ferreira
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 8:31 PM
To: FreeSWITCH Users Help
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FaxxBochs hackers?

 

There are more modern ways of legally transmitting documents. Signed and all. I have several clients that are practicing lawyers in multiple states and my own brother has a law firm.

 

These are simply excuses. My point is that there ARE better ways. We just keep enabling a poor, old, and broken technology.

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On Jul 9, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Michael Giagnocavo <mgg@giagnocavo.net> wrote:

Faxes carry legal standing that email does not. So, you can want a better solution, but the reality is that fax won’t disappear soon. In fact, as I understand, part of T.38 was driven by legal requirements.

 

-Michael

 

From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Chris Ferreira
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 6:13 PM
To: FreeSWITCH Users Help
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FaxxBochs hackers?

 

I disagree. The job of any telecom or IT professional is to also educate and circulate out antiquated equipment.

 

I don't know why we still accept the use of faxes when things like typewriters have pretty much been eliminated.

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On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:07 PM, BookBag <asaad2@gmail.com> wrote:

You know if I told my boss that all fax machines were phased out . I wouldn't have a job. He's gonna say my job is to make our equipment work not force them to switch to different methods

On Jul 9, 2012 2:18 PM, "Chris Ferreira" <chris@gonumina.com> wrote:

I think it would be wonderful if all VoIP admins and providers
collectively told the people needing fax service that it has been
completely phased out.

I think it would be great if stores stopped selling fax machines and
all remaining fax machines were recycled.

The only reason faxing still exists is because of the few people that
refuse to let it die.




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On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Gabriel Gunderson <gabe@gundy.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> wrote:
>> Has anyone investigated the new FaxxBochs offering? It appears to handle the
>> analog fax machine locally, then send the fax as a data TCP connection to
>> the server (as a TIFF or JPG I would guess).
>
> Given how it works, they should have named it FauxBochs.
>
>
> Gabe
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