http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5552 Hi, the standard above describes a SIP 2 VXML interface. My question is can I do this with FreeSWITCH? Jan
if you are patient, maybe..... =D Still how bout we just make a mod_vxml? Everyone keeps saying they want to make one for years now and nobody does. It's almost like people think with all the stuff FS can do out of the box, supporting this fly-by-night phenomenon called VXML that has failed to gain traction after 5 years is somehow too valuable to contribute lol We have all the tools onboard already to make it but I am guessing the thought is already crossing your mind based on the other thread about javascript =D On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Jan Berger <jan.berger@video24.no> wrote:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5552
Hi, the standard above describes a SIP 2 VXML interface.
My question is can I do this with FreeSWITCH?
Jan
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Hi, Were doing both mod_vxml and mod_ccxml - and the project is open source on the ccxml/vxml side (www.video24.no <http://www.video24.no/> ) and will integrate into FreeSWITCH asap. The stacks are written from scratch- only ccxml 1.0 and vxml 2.1 for now. We are currently 3 people - myself + 2 from UK. We have not done anything towards FS integration yet because we have a bit to do before we can connect. Jan _____ From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Minessale Sent: 6. juli 2010 00:58 To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] SIP2VXML if you are patient, maybe..... =D Still how bout we just make a mod_vxml? Everyone keeps saying they want to make one for years now and nobody does. It's almost like people think with all the stuff FS can do out of the box, supporting this fly-by-night phenomenon called VXML that has failed to gain traction after 5 years is somehow too valuable to contribute lol We have all the tools onboard already to make it but I am guessing the thought is already crossing your mind based on the other thread about javascript =D On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Jan Berger <jan.berger@video24.no> wrote: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5552 Hi, the standard above describes a SIP 2 VXML interface. My question is can I do this with FreeSWITCH? Jan _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org -- Anthony Minessale II FreeSWITCH http://www.freeswitch.org/ ClueCon http://www.cluecon.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/FreeSWITCH_wire AIM: anthm MSN:anthony_minessale@hotmail.com <mailto:MSN%3Aanthony_minessale@hotmail.com> GTALK/JABBER/PAYPAL:anthony.minessale@gmail.com <mailto:PAYPAL%3Aanthony.minessale@gmail.com> IRC: irc.freenode.net #freeswitch FreeSWITCH Developer Conference sip:888@conference.freeswitch.org <mailto:sip%3A888@conference.freeswitch.org> googletalk:conf+888@conference.freeswitch.org <mailto:googletalk%3Aconf%2B888@conference.freeswitch.org> pstn:+19193869900
Feel free to ask for any assistance we may provide. Maybe accessable open source versions of the above might even spark more popularity for them. On Jul 6, 2010 2:21 AM, "Jan Berger" <jan.berger@video24.no> wrote: Hi, Were doing both mod_vxml and mod_ccxml – and the project is open source on the ccxml/vxml side (www.video24.no) and will integrate into FreeSWITCH asap. The stacks are written from scratch– only ccxml 1.0 and vxml 2.1 for now. We are currently 3 people – myself + 2 from UK. We have not done anything towards FS integration yet because we have a bit to do before we can connect. Jan ------------------------------ *From:* freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] *On Behalf Of *Anthony Minessale *Sent:* 6. juli 2010 00:58 *To:* freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org *Subject:* Re: [Freeswitch-users] SIP2VXML if you are patient, maybe..... =D Still how bout we just make a mod_vxml? Everyone keeps s... _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Woof! On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:58:05 -0400, Anthony Minessale <anthony.minessale@gmail.com> wrote:
It's almost like people think with all the stuff FS can do out of the box, supporting this fly-by-night phenomenon called VXML that has failed to gain traction after 5 years is somehow too valuable to contribute lol
VoiceXML started 11 years ago, in 1999. And, still, "VoiceXML sucks" (my signature phrase for all posts about VoiceXML. Google it.) --Woof!
So why does it "suck"? -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Andy Spitzer Sent: 9. juli 2010 06:27 To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] SIP2VXML Woof! On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:58:05 -0400, Anthony Minessale <anthony.minessale@gmail.com> wrote:
It's almost like people think with all the stuff FS can do out of the box, supporting this fly-by-night phenomenon called VXML that has failed to gain traction after 5 years is somehow too valuable to contribute lol
VoiceXML started 11 years ago, in 1999. And, still, "VoiceXML sucks" (my signature phrase for all posts about VoiceXML. Google it.) --Woof! _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
I think the problem is that too many people treat VXML like it's a gold mine or somehow valuable. That is a no no for a standard. So when it was first invented, people tried to sell the editors for money, the only implementation were commercial and there was no real acceptance to it. The first open source VXML stack was dependency-ridden and archaic to even build for many years. The value could be realized by providing hosting services for it, or developing it for customers, not by making them pay money to even use the editor. I believe a standardized way to serialize an IVR and execute it from a neutral server is a good idea but I am a bit sketchy on whether or not VXML is right. Imagine if email was a secret protocol and you had to pay money for your email composer...Oh yeah, that happened and everyone laughed in their faces and now it's free. When I once tried to implement VXML, I started trying to use openVXI, while hunting down the dependancies, I learned about spidermonkey and started to wonder why to bother rendering the XML into a script and running it when you could just write the whole IVR in JS. So I made res_js for Asterisk. When I started FS, I also made a mod_spidermonkey as we can all see. I also use XML in FS so I don't have a vendetta against XML, (I do get annoyed by those who over do it with XML). I just get an uneasy feeling about it and there is something to be said since we have 100% of the ingredients for VXML in FS and never implemented it. Like I said I am open to the idea of supporting it, to give it a fighting chance to get adopted. But teenagers are harder to get adopted as Andy pointed out =p On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:11 AM, Jan Berger <jan.berger@video24.no> wrote:
So why does it "suck"?
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Andy Spitzer Sent: 9. juli 2010 06:27 To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] SIP2VXML
Woof!
On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:58:05 -0400, Anthony Minessale <anthony.minessale@gmail.com> wrote:
It's almost like people think with all the stuff FS can do out of the box, supporting this fly-by-night phenomenon called VXML that has failed to gain traction after 5 years is somehow too valuable to contribute lol
VoiceXML started 11 years ago, in 1999.
And, still, "VoiceXML sucks" (my signature phrase for all posts about VoiceXML. Google it.)
--Woof!
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I think it's more an issue that people need to get paid and to do that using FreeSWITCH you need to add services to it - have something to sell that is not free. Jan _____ From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Minessale Sent: 9. juli 2010 17:32 To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] SIP2VXML I think the problem is that too many people treat VXML like it's a gold mine or somehow valuable. That is a no no for a standard. So when it was first invented, people tried to sell the editors for money, the only implementation were commercial and there was no real acceptance to it. The first open source VXML stack was dependency-ridden and archaic to even build for many years. The value could be realized by providing hosting services for it, or developing it for customers, not by making them pay money to even use the editor. I believe a standardized way to serialize an IVR and execute it from a neutral server is a good idea but I am a bit sketchy on whether or not VXML is right. Imagine if email was a secret protocol and you had to pay money for your email composer...Oh yeah, that happened and everyone laughed in their faces and now it's free. When I once tried to implement VXML, I started trying to use openVXI, while hunting down the dependancies, I learned about spidermonkey and started to wonder why to bother rendering the XML into a script and running it when you could just write the whole IVR in JS. So I made res_js for Asterisk. When I started FS, I also made a mod_spidermonkey as we can all see. I also use XML in FS so I don't have a vendetta against XML, (I do get annoyed by those who over do it with XML). I just get an uneasy feeling about it and there is something to be said since we have 100% of the ingredients for VXML in FS and never implemented it. Like I said I am open to the idea of supporting it, to give it a fighting chance to get adopted. But teenagers are harder to get adopted as Andy pointed out =p On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:11 AM, Jan Berger <jan.berger@video24.no> wrote: So why does it "suck"? -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Andy Spitzer Sent: 9. juli 2010 06:27 To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] SIP2VXML Woof! On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:58:05 -0400, Anthony Minessale <anthony.minessale@gmail.com> wrote:
It's almost like people think with all the stuff FS can do out of the box, supporting this fly-by-night phenomenon called VXML that has failed to gain traction after 5 years is somehow too valuable to contribute lol
VoiceXML started 11 years ago, in 1999. And, still, "VoiceXML sucks" (my signature phrase for all posts about VoiceXML. Google it.) --Woof! _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org -- Anthony Minessale II FreeSWITCH http://www.freeswitch.org/ ClueCon http://www.cluecon.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/FreeSWITCH_wire AIM: anthm MSN:anthony_minessale@hotmail.com <mailto:MSN%3Aanthony_minessale@hotmail.com> GTALK/JABBER/PAYPAL:anthony.minessale@gmail.com <mailto:PAYPAL%3Aanthony.minessale@gmail.com> IRC: irc.freenode.net #freeswitch FreeSWITCH Developer Conference sip:888@conference.freeswitch.org <mailto:sip%3A888@conference.freeswitch.org> googletalk:conf+888@conference.freeswitch.org <mailto:googletalk%3Aconf%2B888@conference.freeswitch.org> pstn:+19193869900
I don't use OpenVXI for reasons like - dead project, performance, reliability, non-scaling architecture, wrong dependencies - and so on. We have a target of 20,000 sessions on my laptop alone - and I have already secured that and more. We can do more, but we start running out of memory. What I expect out of FreeSWITCH/CCXML/VXML is that we can scale up as much as FreeSWITCH can without CCXML/VXML being the show-stopper. Then OpenVXI came out it was adopted by tier1 companies that still use the stack today. Some people consider that a reference, but they fail to understand that those companies have the strength needed to pick up half-done-work and make it right. Though the ones I know of still struggle with performance issues. <snip> So when it was first invented, people tried to sell the editors for money, the only implementation were commercial and there was no real acceptance to it. The first open source VXML stack was dependency-ridden and archaic to even build for many years. </snip>
Our xml parser is very low on memory because its a small barebones lib based on c pointer black magic that we came across. Scary to look at but fast and low in memory usage. Our onboard asr and tts is only as bad in resource consumption as the engine you choose, but we do have mrcp. The big one, as you have already identified, is the javascript lib. The one we have does not scale along with FS for sure. However, that is when using the js context to run the whole call. Maybe in the case of vxml it would be a different model? Lua has shown the best parallel scalibility of all the embedded languages because its small and runs a separate interpreter for each instance. If we found a js implementation that works in a similar way it might scale. On Jul 10, 2010 7:56 AM, "Jan Berger" <jan.berger@video24.no> wrote: I don’t use OpenVXI for reasons like – dead project, performance, reliability, non-scaling architecture, wrong dependencies – and so on. We have a target of 20,000 sessions on my laptop alone – and I have already secured that and more. We can do more, but we start running out of memory. What I expect out of FreeSWITCH/CCXML/VXML is that we can scale up as much as FreeSWITCH can without CCXML/VXML being the show-stopper. Then OpenVXI came out it was adopted by tier1 companies that still use the stack today. Some people consider that a reference, but they fail to understand that those companies have the strength needed to pick up half-done-work and make it right. Though the ones I know of still struggle with performance issues. <snip> So when it was first invented, people tried to sell the editors for money, the only implementation... </snip> _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
the javascript lib [...] we have does not scale along with FS
I think this is a really good one http://code.google.com/p/v8/ On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Anthony Minessale < anthony.minessale@gmail.com> wrote:
Our xml parser is very low on memory because its a small barebones lib based on c pointer black magic that we came across. Scary to look at but fast and low in memory usage.
Our onboard asr and tts is only as bad in resource consumption as the engine you choose, but we do have mrcp.
The big one, as you have already identified, is the javascript lib. The one we have does not scale along with FS for sure. However, that is when using the js context to run the whole call. Maybe in the case of vxml it would be a different model? Lua has shown the best parallel scalibility of all the embedded languages because its small and runs a separate interpreter for each instance. If we found a js implementation that works in a similar way it might scale.
On Jul 10, 2010 7:56 AM, "Jan Berger" <jan.berger@video24.no> wrote:
I don’t use OpenVXI for reasons like – dead project, performance, reliability, non-scaling architecture, wrong dependencies – and so on. We have a target of 20,000 sessions on my laptop alone – and I have already secured that and more. We can do more, but we start running out of memory. What I expect out of FreeSWITCH/CCXML/VXML is that we can scale up as much as FreeSWITCH can without CCXML/VXML being the show-stopper.
Then OpenVXI came out it was adopted by tier1 companies that still use the stack today. Some people consider that a reference, but they fail to understand that those companies have the strength needed to pick up half-done-work and make it right. Though the ones I know of still struggle with performance issues.
<snip>
So when it was first invented, people tried to sell the editors for money, the only implementation...
</snip>
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It's cool - a bit tricky to use in threaded environment only. + no Sparc support at present. Jan _____ From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Raffaele P. Guidi Sent: 11. juli 2010 18:15 To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] SIP2VXML
the javascript lib [...] we have does not scale along with FS
I think this is a really good one http://code.google.com/p/v8/
After a bit of research I've found this project http://www.commonjs.org/ whose efforts drive to the standardization of javascript utilization on the server side. More than one interesting implementation, from CouchDB to v8cgi. Regards, Raffaele On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Jan Berger <jan.berger@video24.no> wrote:
It’s cool – a bit tricky to use in threaded environment only.
+ no Sparc support at present.
Jan
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*From:* freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] *On Behalf Of *Raffaele P. Guidi *Sent:* 11. juli 2010 18:15
*To:* freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org *Subject:* Re: [Freeswitch-users] SIP2VXML
the javascript lib [...] we have does not scale along with FS
I think this is a really good one http://code.google.com/p/v8/
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interesting.. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Raffaele P. Guidi < raffaele.p.guidi@gmail.com> wrote:
After a bit of research I've found this project http://www.commonjs.org/ whose efforts drive to the standardization of javascript utilization on the server side. More than one interesting implementation, from CouchDB to v8cgi.
Regards, Raffaele
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Jan Berger <jan.berger@video24.no>wrote:
It’s cool – a bit tricky to use in threaded environment only.
+ no Sparc support at present.
Jan
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*To:* freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org *Subject:* Re: [Freeswitch-users] SIP2VXML
the javascript lib [...] we have does not scale along with FS
I think this is a really good one http://code.google.com/p/v8/
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On 07/10/2010 08:50 PM, Jan Berger wrote:
I don’t use OpenVXI for reasons like – dead project, performance, reliability, non-scaling architecture, wrong dependencies – and so on. We have a target of 20,000 sessions on my laptop alone – and I have already secured that and more. We can do more, but we start running out of memory. What I expect out of FreeSWITCH/CCXML/VXML is that we can scale up as much as FreeSWITCH can without CCXML/VXML being the show-stopper.
The folk at Commetrex might disagree with your first 4 complaints. They claim huge performance, reliability and scaling improvements in the version of OpenVXI they are pushing forward.
Then OpenVXI came out it was adopted by tier1 companies that still use the stack today. Some people consider that a reference, but they fail to understand that those companies have the strength needed to pick up half-done-work and make it right. Though the ones I know of still struggle with performance issues.
<snip>
So when it was first invented, people tried to sell the editors for money, the only implementation were commercial and there was no real acceptance to it. The first open source VXML stack was dependency-ridden and archaic to even build for many years.
</snip>
Steve
Improvements yes, but that's their BladewareVXML. They have done a bit of work on that + the version of OpenVXI I talk about is the one from 2003 without the GPL license. Jan -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Steve Underwood Sent: 10. juli 2010 18:41 To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] SIP2VXML On 07/10/2010 08:50 PM, Jan Berger wrote:
I don't use OpenVXI for reasons like - dead project, performance, reliability, non-scaling architecture, wrong dependencies - and so on. We have a target of 20,000 sessions on my laptop alone - and I have already secured that and more. We can do more, but we start running out of memory. What I expect out of FreeSWITCH/CCXML/VXML is that we can scale up as much as FreeSWITCH can without CCXML/VXML being the show-stopper.
The folk at Commetrex might disagree with your first 4 complaints. They claim huge performance, reliability and scaling improvements in the version of OpenVXI they are pushing forward.
Then OpenVXI came out it was adopted by tier1 companies that still use the stack today. Some people consider that a reference, but they fail to understand that those companies have the strength needed to pick up half-done-work and make it right. Though the ones I know of still struggle with performance issues.
<snip>
So when it was first invented, people tried to sell the editors for money, the only implementation were commercial and there was no real acceptance to it. The first open source VXML stack was dependency-ridden and archaic to even build for many years.
</snip>
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Andy Spitzer
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Jan Berger
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