I think it's more an issue that people need to get paid and to do that using FreeSWITCH you need to add services to it - have something to sell that is not free. Jan _____ From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Minessale Sent: 9. juli 2010 17:32 To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] SIP2VXML I think the problem is that too many people treat VXML like it's a gold mine or somehow valuable. That is a no no for a standard. So when it was first invented, people tried to sell the editors for money, the only implementation were commercial and there was no real acceptance to it. The first open source VXML stack was dependency-ridden and archaic to even build for many years. The value could be realized by providing hosting services for it, or developing it for customers, not by making them pay money to even use the editor. I believe a standardized way to serialize an IVR and execute it from a neutral server is a good idea but I am a bit sketchy on whether or not VXML is right. Imagine if email was a secret protocol and you had to pay money for your email composer...Oh yeah, that happened and everyone laughed in their faces and now it's free. When I once tried to implement VXML, I started trying to use openVXI, while hunting down the dependancies, I learned about spidermonkey and started to wonder why to bother rendering the XML into a script and running it when you could just write the whole IVR in JS. So I made res_js for Asterisk. When I started FS, I also made a mod_spidermonkey as we can all see. I also use XML in FS so I don't have a vendetta against XML, (I do get annoyed by those who over do it with XML). I just get an uneasy feeling about it and there is something to be said since we have 100% of the ingredients for VXML in FS and never implemented it. Like I said I am open to the idea of supporting it, to give it a fighting chance to get adopted. But teenagers are harder to get adopted as Andy pointed out =p On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:11 AM, Jan Berger <jan.berger@video24.no> wrote: So why does it "suck"? -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Andy Spitzer Sent: 9. juli 2010 06:27 To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] SIP2VXML Woof! On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:58:05 -0400, Anthony Minessale <anthony.minessale@gmail.com> wrote:
It's almost like people think with all the stuff FS can do out of the box, supporting this fly-by-night phenomenon called VXML that has failed to gain traction after 5 years is somehow too valuable to contribute lol
VoiceXML started 11 years ago, in 1999. And, still, "VoiceXML sucks" (my signature phrase for all posts about VoiceXML. Google it.) --Woof! _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org -- Anthony Minessale II FreeSWITCH http://www.freeswitch.org/ ClueCon http://www.cluecon.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/FreeSWITCH_wire AIM: anthm MSN:anthony_minessale@hotmail.com <mailto:MSN%3Aanthony_minessale@hotmail.com> GTALK/JABBER/PAYPAL:anthony.minessale@gmail.com <mailto:PAYPAL%3Aanthony.minessale@gmail.com> IRC: irc.freenode.net #freeswitch FreeSWITCH Developer Conference sip:888@conference.freeswitch.org <mailto:sip%3A888@conference.freeswitch.org> googletalk:conf+888@conference.freeswitch.org <mailto:googletalk%3Aconf%2B888@conference.freeswitch.org> pstn:+19193869900