On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Santiago Gimenez Ocano <sxntixgo@hotmail.com> wrote:
I'm native speaker and I know that my english isn't quite good. As far I can see there are two issues here:
1. Having people that can support in spanish
2. Splitting the community
Even thogh there is the slang problem, I think that the support given by Brian, Anth, Mike, Norm, etc is excellent and I don't know if anyone how speaks spanish can do as same as they do.
No, their support is the best we could get, none spanish nor portuguese speaker could achieve that now. At least none known.
Also, I think is better for the project to have one direction and having only one support chat is important to achive this.
On top of this, what would happend if somebody else wants to have a chat room in his/her own language?
It's possible to have people supporting in other languages in #freeswitch?
I think we can go more objective in this thread: do you guys think it's a better idea to drop the spanish/portuguese channel and think about it when it's actually needed ? The feedback about the idea of having #freeswitch-la was bad... and I, of course, don't want to split anything here. :)
Regards, Santiago
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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:47:01 -0500 From: jlists@skopis.com To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH in latin america countries
J. Javier Maestro wrote:
On Jun Sun 08 2008 12:11, John Skopis (Lists) wrote:
example: skopii: que estas me hombres bot: [skopii] where are my homies bkw: skopii: right here
then the bot would translate bkw's response and pm it to me
Wow!! Stop right there please! :)
Where are my homies? --> Dónde están mis colegas/amigos? (España)
And because slang words are frequently used in IRC, things like 'homies' is most surely translated in a completely different way in every spanish-speaking country within latin america... so I really can't see the point on automatic translation. It's horrible! There is not enough A.I. in the software to do it correctly, so it is very doomed right from the begining.
Clearly my spanish is horrible. What is easier to understand though:
que esta me hombres or dónde está mi homies
and that is a simple sentence. Things only get more interesting with more complex constructs.
It is a nice idea, but an impossible one :-/
My 2 cents!
My point was to make a "best effort". We all know it wouldn't be perfect. It's certainly not impossible.
If everyone is in the same channel, everyone benefits from the discussion. In addition it would help non-english speakers learn english and english speakers pick up some other languages (bits and pieces at least).
Also, what happens when there is no one that knows the answer in the non-english channel? The non-english speaker comes into the main channel (out of his/her comfort zone) and has a difficult time because no one understands him/her. It's hard enough for some people just to ask a question, let alone in a different language. That is why I think we should make a best effort to make it easier for everyone.
Often times a translated block of text is easier to understand than a non-native english speaker attempting english. Granted, my perspective is one sided as I do not know if that is true for other languages (I only speak english).
Anyway, I am wasting my breath at this point. Everyone (not just us americans) will do as they please anyway. ;]
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