FreeSWITCH in latin america countries
Hello, For those of you from latin american countries, please join #freeswitch-la. I have plans to knock down the barriers to adopt FreeSWITCH in third-world countries, specially Brazil, so this channel is one of the steps to achieve that. Brazilian portuguese and spanish are also welcomed languages. One of the biggest barriers to use FreeSWITCH as a TDM/SIP gateway, is to have MFC/R2 support, which is being written by Steve Underwood in a generic manner. I'll be focusing on the endpoint for the existing unicall implementation, which we hopefully will merge when Steve has finished his unicall work. So, anyone will be able to use MFC/R2 with a Sangoma and probably other cards. Take care. -- Arnaldo M Pereira ap@arnaldopereira.com http://www.arnaldopereira.com
Arnaldo, I really do not want to split the community up. I highly recommend everyone stay in #freeswitch. /b On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:59 AM, Arnaldo de Moraes Pereira wrote:
Hello,
For those of you from latin american countries, please join #freeswitch-la. I have plans to knock down the barriers to adopt FreeSWITCH in third-world countries, specially Brazil, so this channel is one of the steps to achieve that. Brazilian portuguese and spanish are also welcomed languages.
One of the biggest barriers to use FreeSWITCH as a TDM/SIP gateway, is to have MFC/R2 support, which is being written by Steve Underwood in a generic manner. I'll be focusing on the endpoint for the existing unicall implementation, which we hopefully will merge when Steve has finished his unicall work. So, anyone will be able to use MFC/R2 with a Sangoma and probably other cards.
Take care.
-- Arnaldo M Pereira ap@arnaldopereira.com http://www.arnaldopereira.com
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Brian, Although I agree that it is not a good idea to split the community, this wouldn't much split it as increase it. There's a lot of people who don't understand english, but have the skills to use or learn about FreeSwitch and even help in the development. Creating a latin irc channel, could potentially bring thousands to the FreeSwitch community, people who are now left out because of the language barrier. On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Brian West <brian@freeswitch.org> wrote:
Arnaldo, I really do not want to split the community up. I highly recommend everyone stay in #freeswitch.
/b
On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:59 AM, Arnaldo de Moraes Pereira wrote:
Hello,
For those of you from latin american countries, please join #freeswitch-la. I have plans to knock down the barriers to adopt FreeSWITCH in third-world countries, specially Brazil, so this channel is one of the steps to achieve that. Brazilian portuguese and spanish are also welcomed languages.
One of the biggest barriers to use FreeSWITCH as a TDM/SIP gateway, is to have MFC/R2 support, which is being written by Steve Underwood in a generic manner. I'll be focusing on the endpoint for the existing unicall implementation, which we hopefully will merge when Steve has finished his unicall work. So, anyone will be able to use MFC/R2 with a Sangoma and probably other cards.
Take care.
-- Arnaldo M Pereira ap@arnaldopereira.com http://www.arnaldopereira.com
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On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Nicolas Brenner <nicolas@medularis.com> wrote:
Brian,
Although I agree that it is not a good idea to split the community, this wouldn't much split it as increase it. There's a lot of people who don't understand english, but have the skills to use or learn about FreeSwitch and even help in the development. Creating a latin irc channel, could potentially bring thousands to the FreeSwitch community, people who are now left out because of the language barrier.
Thanks Nicolas, that's exactly my point. Instead of splitting the community, it'll end up giving help to more people and make FreeSWITCH usage broader. There's no sense on having multiple channels if we talk english on them all, who does know english will be encouraged to go (or also go) to #freeswitch. Any comments, Brian ?
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Brian West <brian@freeswitch.org> wrote:
Arnaldo, I really do not want to split the community up. I highly recommend everyone stay in #freeswitch.
/b
On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:59 AM, Arnaldo de Moraes Pereira wrote:
Hello,
For those of you from latin american countries, please join #freeswitch-la. I have plans to knock down the barriers to adopt FreeSWITCH in third-world countries, specially Brazil, so this channel is one of the steps to achieve that. Brazilian portuguese and spanish are also welcomed languages.
One of the biggest barriers to use FreeSWITCH as a TDM/SIP gateway, is to have MFC/R2 support, which is being written by Steve Underwood in a generic manner. I'll be focusing on the endpoint for the existing unicall implementation, which we hopefully will merge when Steve has finished his unicall work. So, anyone will be able to use MFC/R2 with a Sangoma and probably other cards.
Take care.
-- Arnaldo M Pereira ap@arnaldopereira.com http://www.arnaldopereira.com
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Which languages would be on freeswitch-la? Brazilian Portugese and Spanish? I would love to see a place where those not fluent in English have an outlet for FS discussions. I'm sure bilingual users like moy would be happy to chat with people in Spanish. As long as this isn't fracturing the community, but rather enlarging it, then I'm all for it. -MC Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2008, at 7:02 AM, "Arnaldo de Moraes Pereira" <egghunt@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Nicolas Brenner <nicolas@medularis.com
wrote: Brian,
Although I agree that it is not a good idea to split the community, this wouldn't much split it as increase it. There's a lot of people who don't understand english, but have the skills to use or learn about FreeSwitch and even help in the development. Creating a latin irc channel, could potentially bring thousands to the FreeSwitch community, people who are now left out because of the language barrier.
Thanks Nicolas, that's exactly my point. Instead of splitting the community, it'll end up giving help to more people and make FreeSWITCH usage broader. There's no sense on having multiple channels if we talk english on them all, who does know english will be encouraged to go (or also go) to #freeswitch.
Any comments, Brian ?
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Brian West <brian@freeswitch.org> wrote:
Arnaldo, I really do not want to split the community up. I highly recommend everyone stay in #freeswitch.
/b
On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:59 AM, Arnaldo de Moraes Pereira wrote:
Hello,
For those of you from latin american countries, please join #freeswitch-la. I have plans to knock down the barriers to adopt FreeSWITCH in third-world countries, specially Brazil, so this channel is one of the steps to achieve that. Brazilian portuguese and spanish are also welcomed languages.
One of the biggest barriers to use FreeSWITCH as a TDM/SIP gateway, is to have MFC/R2 support, which is being written by Steve Underwood in a generic manner. I'll be focusing on the endpoint for the existing unicall implementation, which we hopefully will merge when Steve has finished his unicall work. So, anyone will be able to use MFC/R2 with a Sangoma and probably other cards.
Take care.
-- Arnaldo M Pereira ap@arnaldopereira.com http://www.arnaldopereira.com
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I don't have a problem as long as control of the channel is handed over to the project. Once the group registration is complete we'll have control of them all anyway. We have in the past filled out the group forms but when lilo was hit by a car and passed away our application was lost. We just haven't had time to fill it out again. Guess this spotlights the need to do so! What do you guys think? /b On Jun 8, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Michael S Collins wrote:
Which languages would be on freeswitch-la? Brazilian Portugese and Spanish? I would love to see a place where those not fluent in English have an outlet for FS discussions. I'm sure bilingual users like moy would be happy to chat with people in Spanish.
As long as this isn't fracturing the community, but rather enlarging it, then I'm all for it.
-MC
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 8, 2008, at 7:02 AM, "Arnaldo de Moraes Pereira" <egghunt@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Nicolas Brenner <nicolas@medularis.com
wrote: Brian,
Although I agree that it is not a good idea to split the community, this wouldn't much split it as increase it. There's a lot of people who don't understand english, but have the skills to use or learn about FreeSwitch and even help in the development. Creating a latin irc channel, could potentially bring thousands to the FreeSwitch community, people who are now left out because of the language barrier.
Thanks Nicolas, that's exactly my point. Instead of splitting the community, it'll end up giving help to more people and make FreeSWITCH usage broader. There's no sense on having multiple channels if we talk english on them all, who does know english will be encouraged to go (or also go) to #freeswitch.
Any comments, Brian ?
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Brian West <brian@freeswitch.org> wrote:
Arnaldo, I really do not want to split the community up. I highly recommend everyone stay in #freeswitch.
/b
On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:59 AM, Arnaldo de Moraes Pereira wrote:
Hello,
For those of you from latin american countries, please join #freeswitch-la. I have plans to knock down the barriers to adopt FreeSWITCH in third-world countries, specially Brazil, so this channel is one of the steps to achieve that. Brazilian portuguese and spanish are also welcomed languages.
One of the biggest barriers to use FreeSWITCH as a TDM/SIP gateway, is to have MFC/R2 support, which is being written by Steve Underwood in a generic manner. I'll be focusing on the endpoint for the existing unicall implementation, which we hopefully will merge when Steve has finished his unicall work. So, anyone will be able to use MFC/R2 with a Sangoma and probably other cards.
Take care.
-- Arnaldo M Pereira ap@arnaldopereira.com http://www.arnaldopereira.com
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heh http://translate.google.com/translate_t?sl=es&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF8&text=que+e... Brian West wrote:
I don't have a problem as long as control of the channel is handed over to the project. Once the group registration is complete we'll have control of them all anyway. We have in the past filled out the group forms but when lilo was hit by a car and passed away our application was lost. We just haven't had time to fill it out again. Guess this spotlights the need to do so! What do you guys think?
/b
On Jun 8, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Michael S Collins wrote:
Which languages would be on freeswitch-la? Brazilian Portugese and Spanish? I would love to see a place where those not fluent in English have an outlet for FS discussions. I'm sure bilingual users like moy would be happy to chat with people in Spanish.
As long as this isn't fracturing the community, but rather enlarging it, then I'm all for it.
-MC
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 8, 2008, at 7:02 AM, "Arnaldo de Moraes Pereira" <egghunt@gmail.com
wrote: On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Nicolas Brenner <nicolas@medularis.com
wrote: Brian,
Although I agree that it is not a good idea to split the community, this wouldn't much split it as increase it. There's a lot of people who don't understand english, but have the skills to use or learn about FreeSwitch and even help in the development. Creating a latin irc channel, could potentially bring thousands to the FreeSwitch community, people who are now left out because of the language barrier. Thanks Nicolas, that's exactly my point. Instead of splitting the community, it'll end up giving help to more people and make FreeSWITCH usage broader. There's no sense on having multiple channels if we talk english on them all, who does know english will be encouraged to go (or also go) to #freeswitch.
Any comments, Brian ?
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Brian West <brian@freeswitch.org> wrote:
Arnaldo, I really do not want to split the community up. I highly recommend everyone stay in #freeswitch.
/b
On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:59 AM, Arnaldo de Moraes Pereira wrote:
Hello,
For those of you from latin american countries, please join #freeswitch-la. I have plans to knock down the barriers to adopt FreeSWITCH in third-world countries, specially Brazil, so this channel is one of the steps to achieve that. Brazilian portuguese and spanish are also welcomed languages.
One of the biggest barriers to use FreeSWITCH as a TDM/SIP gateway, is to have MFC/R2 support, which is being written by Steve Underwood in a generic manner. I'll be focusing on the endpoint for the existing unicall implementation, which we hopefully will merge when Steve has finished his unicall work. So, anyone will be able to use MFC/R2 with a Sangoma and probably other cards.
Take care.
-- Arnaldo M Pereira ap@arnaldopereira.com http://www.arnaldopereira.com
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I'm with Brian on this one. I think it's kind of silly to "knock down the barriers to adopt FreeSWITCH" just within the bounds of the langauge barriers. I for one should probably learn some more languages; and I bet non-english natives wouldn't mind learning some english also... Perhaps someone is interested in adding translator support to the bot? What I was thinking was you "register" with the bot using your native language. When you talk in the chan (lets say your speaking spanish) the bot would automagically translate to english. likewise when someone directs a line at you in english the bot translates to your native language and pm's you the translation. example: skopii: que estas me hombres bot: [skopii] where are my homies bkw: skopii: right here then the bot would translate bkw's response and pm it to me Michael S Collins wrote:
Which languages would be on freeswitch-la? Brazilian Portugese and Spanish? I would love to see a place where those not fluent in English have an outlet for FS discussions. I'm sure bilingual users like moy would be happy to chat with people in Spanish.
As long as this isn't fracturing the community, but rather enlarging it, then I'm all for it.
-MC
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 8, 2008, at 7:02 AM, "Arnaldo de Moraes Pereira" <egghunt@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Nicolas Brenner <nicolas@medularis.com
wrote: Brian,
Although I agree that it is not a good idea to split the community, this wouldn't much split it as increase it. There's a lot of people who don't understand english, but have the skills to use or learn about FreeSwitch and even help in the development. Creating a latin irc channel, could potentially bring thousands to the FreeSwitch community, people who are now left out because of the language barrier. Thanks Nicolas, that's exactly my point. Instead of splitting the community, it'll end up giving help to more people and make FreeSWITCH usage broader. There's no sense on having multiple channels if we talk english on them all, who does know english will be encouraged to go (or also go) to #freeswitch.
Any comments, Brian ?
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Brian West <brian@freeswitch.org> wrote:
Arnaldo, I really do not want to split the community up. I highly recommend everyone stay in #freeswitch.
/b
On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:59 AM, Arnaldo de Moraes Pereira wrote:
Hello,
For those of you from latin american countries, please join #freeswitch-la. I have plans to knock down the barriers to adopt FreeSWITCH in third-world countries, specially Brazil, so this channel is one of the steps to achieve that. Brazilian portuguese and spanish are also welcomed languages.
One of the biggest barriers to use FreeSWITCH as a TDM/SIP gateway, is to have MFC/R2 support, which is being written by Steve Underwood in a generic manner. I'll be focusing on the endpoint for the existing unicall implementation, which we hopefully will merge when Steve has finished his unicall work. So, anyone will be able to use MFC/R2 with a Sangoma and probably other cards.
Take care.
-- Arnaldo M Pereira ap@arnaldopereira.com http://www.arnaldopereira.com
Im spanish native talker, please dont use google to translate "que estas me hombre", what is that supposed to mean? Jaja. On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Brian West <brian@freeswitch.org> wrote:
The bot can already translate automatically in line in the channel when we tell it to do so.
/b
On Jun 8, 2008, at 12:11 PM, John Skopis (Lists) wrote:
example: skopii: que estas me hombres bot: [skopii] where are my homies bkw: skopii: right here
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It might not be exact but you do understand what it means if you have any understanding of spanish. /b On Jun 8, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Luis Jimenez wrote:
Im spanish native talker, please dont use google to translate "que estas me hombre", what is that supposed to mean?
Jaja.
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Brian West <brian@freeswitch.org> wrote: The bot can already translate automatically in line in the channel when we tell it to do so.
/b
On Jun 8, 2008, at 12:11 PM, John Skopis (Lists) wrote:
example: skopii: que estas me hombres bot: [skopii] where are my homies bkw: skopii: right here
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I've already registered #freeswitch-la, but would surely pass the control of it to bkw or any other; that simply doesn't matter from my perspective. Answering MC, we could use Portuguese and Spanish on #freeswitch-la. About translations: they are just too poor to be relied. Portuguese, for instance, has too many exceptions and isn't a much logical language. I agree that people could just learn english, but we all know that it doesn't work that way, we just don't learn a language as fast as we need to learn about some technologies and/or softwares. Also, I think mixing the languages on a single channel would create a mess. #freeswitch number of users is increasing over time and it'll eventually reach a limit that will make the usage of more than one language just undoable. Of course we could use other languages on it right now and wait until it's messy to change our strategy, but we can avoid the mess. Of course this is just my opnion, which is based on an assumption: the number of users will continually increase. :) On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Luis Jimenez <ljjimenez@gmail.com> wrote:
Im spanish native talker, please dont use google to translate "que estas me hombre", what is that supposed to mean?
Jaja.
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Brian West <brian@freeswitch.org> wrote:
The bot can already translate automatically in line in the channel when we tell it to do so.
/b
On Jun 8, 2008, at 12:11 PM, John Skopis (Lists) wrote:
example: skopii: que estas me hombres bot: [skopii] where are my homies bkw: skopii: right here
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Luis Jimenez wrote:
Im spanish native talker, please dont use google to translate "que estas me hombre", what is that supposed to mean?
Jaja.
I honestly have no idea. I thought it meant "where's my homies". Apparently it's not the case... the correct phrase would be "dónde está mi hombres" (right?) I need to learn more spanish. =] My point was instead of separating the community make it easier for everyone to communicate.
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Brian West <brian@freeswitch.org <mailto:brian@freeswitch.org>> wrote:
The bot can already translate automatically in line in the channel when we tell it to do so.
/b
On Jun 8, 2008, at 12:11 PM, John Skopis (Lists) wrote:
> example: > skopii: que estas me hombres > bot: [skopii] where are my homies > bkw: skopii: right here
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On Jun Sun 08 2008 12:11, John Skopis (Lists) wrote:
example: skopii: que estas me hombres bot: [skopii] where are my homies bkw: skopii: right here
then the bot would translate bkw's response and pm it to me
Wow!! Stop right there please! :) Where are my homies? --> Dónde están mis colegas/amigos? (España) And because slang words are frequently used in IRC, things like 'homies' is most surely translated in a completely different way in every spanish-speaking country within latin america... so I really can't see the point on automatic translation. It's horrible! There is not enough A.I. in the software to do it correctly, so it is very doomed right from the begining. It is a nice idea, but an impossible one :-/ My 2 cents! -- J. Javier Maestro <jjmaestro@nosys.es> Socio Consultor - Nosys AJjV S.L.
J. Javier Maestro wrote:
On Jun Sun 08 2008 12:11, John Skopis (Lists) wrote:
example: skopii: que estas me hombres bot: [skopii] where are my homies bkw: skopii: right here
then the bot would translate bkw's response and pm it to me
Wow!! Stop right there please! :)
Where are my homies? --> Dónde están mis colegas/amigos? (España)
And because slang words are frequently used in IRC, things like 'homies' is most surely translated in a completely different way in every spanish-speaking country within latin america... so I really can't see the point on automatic translation. It's horrible! There is not enough A.I. in the software to do it correctly, so it is very doomed right from the begining.
Clearly my spanish is horrible. What is easier to understand though: que esta me hombres or dónde está mi homies and that is a simple sentence. Things only get more interesting with more complex constructs.
It is a nice idea, but an impossible one :-/
My 2 cents!
My point was to make a "best effort". We all know it wouldn't be perfect. It's certainly not impossible. If everyone is in the same channel, everyone benefits from the discussion. In addition it would help non-english speakers learn english and english speakers pick up some other languages (bits and pieces at least). Also, what happens when there is no one that knows the answer in the non-english channel? The non-english speaker comes into the main channel (out of his/her comfort zone) and has a difficult time because no one understands him/her. It's hard enough for some people just to ask a question, let alone in a different language. That is why I think we should make a best effort to make it easier for everyone. Often times a translated block of text is easier to understand than a non-native english speaker attempting english. Granted, my perspective is one sided as I do not know if that is true for other languages (I only speak english). Anyway, I am wasting my breath at this point. Everyone (not just us americans) will do as they please anyway. ;]
I'm native speaker and I know that my english isn't quite good. As far I can see there are two issues here: 1. Having people that can support in spanish 2. Splitting the community Even thogh there is the slang problem, I think that the support given by Brian, Anth, Mike, Norm, etc is excellent and I don't know if anyone how speaks spanish can do as same as they do. Also, I think is better for the project to have one direction and having only one support chat is important to achive this. On top of this, what would happend if somebody else wants to have a chat room in his/her own language? It's possible to have people supporting in other languages in #freeswitch? Regards, Santiago
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:47:01 -0500> From: jlists@skopis.com> To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH in latin america countries> > J. Javier Maestro wrote:> > On Jun Sun 08 2008 12:11, John Skopis (Lists) wrote:> >> example:> >> skopii: que estas me hombres> >> bot: [skopii] where are my homies> >> bkw: skopii: right here> >>> >> then the bot would translate bkw's response and pm it to me> > > > Wow!! Stop right there please! :)> > > > Where are my homies? --> Dónde están mis colegas/amigos? (España)> > > > And because slang words are frequently used in IRC, things like 'homies' is> > most surely translated in a completely different way in every> > spanish-speaking country within latin america... so I really can't see the> > point on automatic translation. It's horrible! There is not enough A.I. in> > the software to do it correctly, so it is very doomed right from the> > begining.> > Clearly my spanish is horrible. What is easier to understand though:> > que esta me hombres> or> dónde está mi homies> > and that is a simple sentence. Things only get more interesting with > more complex constructs.> > > > > It is a nice idea, but an impossible one :-/> > > > My 2 cents!> > > > My point was to make a "best effort". We all know it wouldn't be > perfect. It's certainly not impossible.> > If everyone is in the same channel, everyone benefits from the > discussion. In addition it would help non-english speakers learn english > and english speakers pick up some other languages (bits and pieces at > least).> > Also, what happens when there is no one that knows the answer in the > non-english channel? The non-english speaker comes into the main channel > (out of his/her comfort zone) and has a difficult time because no one > understands him/her. It's hard enough for some people just to ask a > question, let alone in a different language. That is why I think we > should make a best effort to make it easier for everyone.> > Often times a translated block of text is easier to understand than a > non-native english speaker attempting english. Granted, my perspective > is one sided as I do not know if that is true for other languages (I > only speak english).> > Anyway, I am wasting my breath at this point. Everyone (not just us > americans) will do as they please anyway. ;]> > > _______________________________________________> Freeswitch-users mailing list> Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users> UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users> http://www.freeswitch.org
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On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Santiago Gimenez Ocano <sxntixgo@hotmail.com> wrote:
I'm native speaker and I know that my english isn't quite good. As far I can see there are two issues here:
1. Having people that can support in spanish
2. Splitting the community
Even thogh there is the slang problem, I think that the support given by Brian, Anth, Mike, Norm, etc is excellent and I don't know if anyone how speaks spanish can do as same as they do.
No, their support is the best we could get, none spanish nor portuguese speaker could achieve that now. At least none known.
Also, I think is better for the project to have one direction and having only one support chat is important to achive this.
On top of this, what would happend if somebody else wants to have a chat room in his/her own language?
It's possible to have people supporting in other languages in #freeswitch?
I think we can go more objective in this thread: do you guys think it's a better idea to drop the spanish/portuguese channel and think about it when it's actually needed ? The feedback about the idea of having #freeswitch-la was bad... and I, of course, don't want to split anything here. :)
Regards, Santiago
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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:47:01 -0500 From: jlists@skopis.com To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH in latin america countries
J. Javier Maestro wrote:
On Jun Sun 08 2008 12:11, John Skopis (Lists) wrote:
example: skopii: que estas me hombres bot: [skopii] where are my homies bkw: skopii: right here
then the bot would translate bkw's response and pm it to me
Wow!! Stop right there please! :)
Where are my homies? --> Dónde están mis colegas/amigos? (España)
And because slang words are frequently used in IRC, things like 'homies' is most surely translated in a completely different way in every spanish-speaking country within latin america... so I really can't see the point on automatic translation. It's horrible! There is not enough A.I. in the software to do it correctly, so it is very doomed right from the begining.
Clearly my spanish is horrible. What is easier to understand though:
que esta me hombres or dónde está mi homies
and that is a simple sentence. Things only get more interesting with more complex constructs.
It is a nice idea, but an impossible one :-/
My 2 cents!
My point was to make a "best effort". We all know it wouldn't be perfect. It's certainly not impossible.
If everyone is in the same channel, everyone benefits from the discussion. In addition it would help non-english speakers learn english and english speakers pick up some other languages (bits and pieces at least).
Also, what happens when there is no one that knows the answer in the non-english channel? The non-english speaker comes into the main channel (out of his/her comfort zone) and has a difficult time because no one understands him/her. It's hard enough for some people just to ask a question, let alone in a different language. That is why I think we should make a best effort to make it easier for everyone.
Often times a translated block of text is easier to understand than a non-native english speaker attempting english. Granted, my perspective is one sided as I do not know if that is true for other languages (I only speak english).
Anyway, I am wasting my breath at this point. Everyone (not just us americans) will do as they please anyway. ;]
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I think the best idea for support in other languages is to translate wiki. I mean, this is the firt point were you look for help Rgards, Santiago
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 16:27:30 -0300> From: egghunt@gmail.com> To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH in latin america countries> > On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Santiago Gimenez Ocano> <sxntixgo@hotmail.com> wrote:> > I'm native speaker and I know that my english isn't quite good. As far I can> > see there are two issues here:> >> > 1. Having people that can support in spanish> >> > 2. Splitting the community> >> > Even thogh there is the slang problem, I think that the support given by> > Brian, Anth, Mike, Norm, etc is excellent and I don't know if anyone how> > speaks spanish can do as same as they do.> > No, their support is the best we could get, none spanish nor> portuguese speaker could achieve that now. At least none known.> > >> > Also, I think is better for the project to have one direction and having> > only one support chat is important to achive this.> >> > On top of this, what would happend if somebody else wants to have a chat> > room in his/her own language?> >> > It's possible to have people supporting in other languages in #freeswitch?> > I think we can go more objective in this thread: do you guys think> it's a better idea to drop the spanish/portuguese channel and think> about it when it's actually needed ? The feedback about the idea of> having #freeswitch-la was bad... and I, of course, don't want to split> anything here. :)> > >> > Regards,> > Santiago> >> >> > ________________________________> >> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:47:01 -0500> >> From: jlists@skopis.com> >> To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> >> Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH in latin america countries> >>> >> J. Javier Maestro wrote:> >> > On Jun Sun 08 2008 12:11, John Skopis (Lists) wrote:> >> >> example:> >> >> skopii: que estas me hombres> >> >> bot: [skopii] where are my homies> >> >> bkw: skopii: right here> >> >>> >> >> then the bot would translate bkw's response and pm it to me> >> >> >> > Wow!! Stop right there please! :)> >> >> >> > Where are my homies? --> Dónde están mis colegas/amigos? (España)> >> >> >> > And because slang words are frequently used in IRC, things like 'homies'> >> > is> >> > most surely translated in a completely different way in every> >> > spanish-speaking country within latin america... so I really can't see> >> > the> >> > point on automatic translation. It's horrible! There is not enough A.I.> >> > in> >> > the software to do it correctly, so it is very doomed right from the> >> > begining.> >>> >> Clearly my spanish is horrible. What is easier to understand though:> >>> >> que esta me hombres> >> or> >> dónde está mi homies> >>> >> and that is a simple sentence. Things only get more interesting with> >> more complex constructs.> >>> >> >> >> > It is a nice idea, but an impossible one :-/> >> >> >> > My 2 cents!> >> >> >>> >> My point was to make a "best effort". We all know it wouldn't be> >> perfect. It's certainly not impossible.> >>> >> If everyone is in the same channel, everyone benefits from the> >> discussion. In addition it would help non-english speakers learn english> >> and english speakers pick up some other languages (bits and pieces at> >> least).> >>> >> Also, what happens when there is no one that knows the answer in the> >> non-english channel? The non-english speaker comes into the main channel> >> (out of his/her comfort zone) and has a difficult time because no one> >> understands him/her. It's hard enough for some people just to ask a> >> question, let alone in a different language. That is why I think we> >> should make a best effort to make it easier for everyone.> >>> >> Often times a translated block of text is easier to understand than a> >> non-native english speaker attempting english. Granted, my perspective> >> is one sided as I do not know if that is true for other languages (I> >> only speak english).> >>> >> Anyway, I am wasting my breath at this point. Everyone (not just us> >> americans) will do as they please anyway. ;]> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________> >> Freeswitch-users mailing list> >> Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> >> http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users> >> UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users> >> http://www.freeswitch.org> >> >> > ________________________________> > Blog your life in 3D with Windows Live Writer. 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I agree with Santiago, we the spanish talkers should help with that task. Bkw i think you can propose that in the next Conference. Luis Jimenez On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Santiago Gimenez Ocano <sxntixgo@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think the best idea for support in other languages is to translate wiki. I mean, this is the firt point were you look for help
Rgards, Santiago
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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 16:27:30 -0300 From: egghunt@gmail.com
To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH in latin america countries
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Santiago Gimenez Ocano <sxntixgo@hotmail.com> wrote:
I'm native speaker and I know that my english isn't quite good. As far I can see there are two issues here:
1. Having people that can support in spanish
2. Splitting the community
Even thogh there is the slang problem, I think that the support given by Brian, Anth, Mike, Norm, etc is excellent and I don't know if anyone how speaks spanish can do as same as they do.
No, their support is the best we could get, none spanish nor portuguese speaker could achieve that now. At least none known.
Also, I think is better for the project to have one direction and
having
only one support chat is important to achive this.
On top of this, what would happend if somebody else wants to have a chat room in his/her own language?
It's possible to have people supporting in other languages in #freeswitch?
I think we can go more objective in this thread: do you guys think it's a better idea to drop the spanish/portuguese channel and think about it when it's actually needed ? The feedback about the idea of having #freeswitch-la was bad... and I, of course, don't want to split anything here. :)
Regards, Santiago
________________________________
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:47:01 -0500 From: jlists@skopis.com To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH in latin america countries
J. Javier Maestro wrote:
On Jun Sun 08 2008 12:11, John Skopis (Lists) wrote:
example: skopii: que estas me hombres bot: [skopii] where are my homies bkw: skopii: right here
then the bot would translate bkw's response and pm it to me
Wow!! Stop right there please! :)
Where are my homies? --> Dónde están mis colegas/amigos? (España)
And because slang words are frequently used in IRC, things like
'homies'
is most surely translated in a completely different way in every spanish-speaking country within latin america... so I really can't see the point on automatic translation. It's horrible! There is not enough A.I. in the software to do it correctly, so it is very doomed right from the begining.
Clearly my spanish is horrible. What is easier to understand though:
que esta me hombres or dónde está mi homies
and that is a simple sentence. Things only get more interesting with more complex constructs.
It is a nice idea, but an impossible one :-/
My 2 cents!
My point was to make a "best effort". We all know it wouldn't be perfect. It's certainly not impossible.
If everyone is in the same channel, everyone benefits from the discussion. In addition it would help non-english speakers learn english and english speakers pick up some other languages (bits and pieces at least).
Also, what happens when there is no one that knows the answer in the non-english channel? The non-english speaker comes into the main channel (out of his/her comfort zone) and has a difficult time because no one understands him/her. It's hard enough for some people just to ask a question, let alone in a different language. That is why I think we should make a best effort to make it easier for everyone.
Often times a translated block of text is easier to understand than a non-native english speaker attempting english. Granted, my perspective is one sided as I do not know if that is true for other languages (I only speak english).
Anyway, I am wasting my breath at this point. Everyone (not just us americans) will do as they please anyway. ;]
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Arnaldo de Moraes Pereira wrote:
Hello,
For those of you from latin american countries, please join #freeswitch-la. I have plans to knock down the barriers to adopt FreeSWITCH in third-world countries, specially Brazil, so this channel is one of the steps to achieve that. Brazilian portuguese and spanish are also welcomed languages.
One of the biggest barriers to use FreeSWITCH as a TDM/SIP gateway, is to have MFC/R2 support, which is being written by Steve Underwood in a generic manner. I'll be focusing on the endpoint for the existing unicall implementation, which we hopefully will merge when Steve has finished his unicall work. So, anyone will be able to use MFC/R2 with a Sangoma and probably other cards.
Take care.
I started on a Unicall endpoint module for Freeswitch a few weeks ago, but I've been busy with other stuff and I haven't had time to go back to it. Unicall and spandsp are becoming LGPL, so there are no longer any licence barriers to Freeswitch integration. In the last week several people have expressed interest in getting such an endpoint module working, and if they are eager to do that, it will certainly leave me free to work on a long list of other things. The Unicall APIs are changing a little, to increase flexibility. However, if an endpoint is built for the existing Unicall code, only minor changes should be needed for the version I am working on now. Regards, Steve
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Arnaldo de Moraes Pereira
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John Skopis (Lists)
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Santiago Gimenez Ocano
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Steve Underwood