[Freeswitch-users] Request for change
Michael S Collins
msc at freeswitch.org
Sat Aug 30 18:18:57 PDT 2008
Dude that is so wrong! There's only one 't' in literary.
-MC
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 30, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Michael Jerris <mike at jerris.com> wrote:
> In addition to a FreeSWITCH book, he is also working on a full
> length litterary response to war and piece, all written from his
> iPhone.
>
> On Aug 30, 2008, at 7:42 PM, Michael S Collins <msc at freeswitch.org>
> wrote:
>
>> As I am the one primarily responsible for creating the Rosette
>> Stone page I feel compelled to respond.
>>
>> I agree with Anthony. The wiki does *not* presume that its readers
>> have Asterisk experience. In fact, this is the very reason that the
>> Rosetta Stone page was created.
>>
>> That being said, there are scattered references to Asterisk. How
>> can there not be? Asterisk is one of several reference points for
>> FS. It is probably the key reference point. Most early adopters of
>> FS have Asterisk experience - or in some cases, battle scars. :)
>>
>> Brian West and I have been kicking around some ideas for a FS book.
>> One key element in writing a book is knowing your target
>> demographic. From my two plus years in the FS community I can tell
>> you that the demographic has started changing. Initially, the vast
>> majority of FS users were Asterisk users. Today that isn't
>> necessarily the case. We are noticing more people who say to us, "I
>> saw FS and Asterisk on a Google search. I think FS looks right for
>> me." In other words we're seeing first-time OSS telephony users and
>> even first-time any kind of telephony users. These new ones needn't
>> concern themselves with the Asterisk references except to put FS
>> into historical context.
>>
>> One last thing. You said, "...the beauty of asterisk is its
>> simplicity." I can guarantee you that the Asterisk "refugees" here
>> in the FS community will vehemently disagree with this statement.
>> However, since beauty is in the eye of the beholder, we will let
>> that comment slide. :)
>>
>> We will take your comments as suggestions where we can improve
>> things on the wiki. If you see any specific references to Asterisk
>> that are spurious then let us know and we'll evaluate them on a
>> case by case basis. You can also hop on IRC channel #freeswitch-
>> docs and air your concerns in real time.
>>
>> -MC
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2008, at 9:59 AM, "Anthony Minessale" <anthony.minessale at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I think mostly everything you are saying is completely wrong.
>>>
>>> The majority of documents we have that mention asterisk strive to
>>> make sure it's well understood that FreeSWITCH has an entire
>>> different paradigm. If you read your own statements you will see
>>> you are not qualified to comment from the perspective of someone
>>> who has never used either software because you said yourself that
>>> you tried asterisk and found it easy to understand where following
>>> FreeSWITCH was much more difficult. That means you already fell
>>> into the asterisk paradigm and now are struggling to shift to how
>>> FreeSWITCH is designed. The volunteers who work on the
>>> documentation made a single section in the wiki for people who are
>>> used to asterisk. They can document whatever they want, they are
>>> volunteers.
>>>
>>> You make two insulting comments about how I do not listen to the
>>> users. Please have a chat with the hundreds of users who have
>>> influenced the design of FreeSWITCH and learn for yourself that
>>> this is not true and in fact makes me incredibly angry that you
>>> would have the nerve to even suggest it.
>>>
>>> You may also need a history lesson. I myself did a great deal of
>>> work on asterisk for several years. It's part of my life and if I
>>> want to talk about that experience or host my asterisk code on my
>>> website then I will. Of course you will not find anything about
>>> FreeSWITCH on the asterisk website. They are annoyed that we
>>> exist. You don't want there to be competition in open source then
>>> go talk to them. They are the only software to even use the word
>>> compete that I have met so far. We have ClueCon every year where
>>> we work together with every open source project you can think of.
>>> So you may want to go do your homework more............
>>>
>>> You have insulted me and all of the volunteers who have spend
>>> hundreds on the documentation by taking a quick scan of our site
>>> and jumping to conclusions. The time it took you to write this
>>> email annoying me, you could have helped document something
>>> instead. Now I hope you do the right thing and apologize to
>>> them. Don't bother with me, it's them you owe the apology cos
>>> they are doing it all just because they want to and for no other
>>> reason.
>>>
>>> I am sorry it takes you so long to understand FreeSWITCH but that
>>> is not my problem. This is my software for me to do whatever I
>>> want with and you are someone who is choosing to use it so it's
>>> your dilemma to learn how to work it or to decide if you prefer
>>> another alternative but when you do so. Do it with more respect
>>> and try to imagine how much work it takes to provide you with
>>> something that just works when you type "make"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 5:38 AM, Sunil Singh <sunil.d.admin at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> After going through the documents, I feel that the documents
>>> assume that the guy who is going to use freeswitch is well versed
>>> with asterisk or is an asterisk user who is going to switch to
>>> freeswitch from asterisk. Its not from the point that somebody
>>> from scratch can appreciate it for its design or any other thing.
>>>
>>> I appreciate the point of consideration for a large community, but
>>> for freeswitch to be the best it has to wipe out that they know
>>> asterisk. They should believe more on its users rather than what
>>> asterisk is doing. Once a basic level is reached than it should be
>>> user driven rather than asterisk driven. If we compete with them
>>> in mind than eventually we will mess up.
>>>
>>> To be honest the beauty of asterisk lies in its simplicity. I was
>>> reading freeswitch for hours and still struggling. Whereas in
>>> asterisk I started and within hours I am up and running.
>>>
>>> I also realised that in asterisk I didn't find a document talking
>>> about freeswitch but in freeswitch its only about, with asterisk
>>> in mind. Whether they are documents or working.
>>>
>>> Comparisions will not allow to grow beyond a limit, we will always
>>> be living in a psycho complex, leaving us with pain, agaony and
>>> anger.
>>>
>>> We should love what we are doing, and we want to make a universal
>>> platform thats it. No point in comparision and running for a race.
>>> Most of the open source are started by technology lovers that's
>>> it. They don't create a technology to compete, they want to create
>>> a new technology and that's why I started using freeswitch that
>>> its going to create a new revolution which asterisk has lost
>>> because of monetary considerations.
>>>
>>> So I request to please love what we are doing and when ever we are
>>> making a document think that its for a novice.
>>>
>>>
>>> I request those who are driving it, please listen to your users
>>> more. If you have started from scratch than let's some beauty come
>>> out of it, a disruptive way of working. Like Apache, mysql ......
>>> Ease of use is the main thing for a starter or anybody else. Even
>>> it may be a best but if its not simple than people are not going
>>> to use it and too much mention of asterisk in the doc will end up
>>> people trying asterisk more rather than using freeswitch.
>>>
>>> The guys whom we are targetting today may not be there, there will
>>> be a new generation and we should drive it with them in mind.
>>>
>>> I hope we all give it a thought and think from a novice point of
>>> view.
>>>
>>> Be a BOLT win with a self confidence and create only records.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Sunil
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> --
>>> Anthony Minessale II
>>>
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