Registration ODBC feeded by another registrar proxy
Hi list, was playing with FS 1.0.6 and trying to test the registration performance of FS. (Yes I know FS is more suited as a B2BUA, but please read further :p) So I did the following: - generate one xml file with 20 000 user account like this: <include> <user id="1"> <params> <param name="password" value="1234"/> </params> </user> <user id="2"> <params> <param name="password" value="1234"/> </params> ... Then I used Sipp to test how many registration per second could be fired to the server (quad core 2.83Ghz). I setup ulimit variables, and disable nat. I got this: - using SQL Lite: unable to get higher than 80 registrations per second (in fact it's less than this number but didn't test too much this setup), I see a lot of retransmission in Sipp - using SQL Lite in ramdisk (tmpfs): OK with 80 registrations per second but not much - using ODBC and mysql: 130 reg/sec is OK With ODBC, above 150 reg/sec I see that FS is stalled to 100-110% CPU, I think it's because I'm using only one SIP profile and that SOFIA is monothreaded for this SIP profile. If I'd like to register every 60sec, the server has to support at least more than 300 registration per second. So I'm wondering if I could setup something like this: - use another SIP Proxy as a registrar and feed the ODBC "sip_registration database" of FS - FS will be able to use this database to setup a call - use FS as the outbound proxy for call routing But what about the user params that have been setup in the xml file above. I think that FS loads the user params each time a user is registered. Comments and advices are welcome. regards, rod.
hi Rod, What is the objective and intended usage of this ? Registering loads of accounts every sec sounds like a very bad design to me, so it might be wise to visit your design and discuss what you want to achieve. Jan
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 17:39:59 +0400 From: kawarod@laposte.net To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: [Freeswitch-users] Registration ODBC feeded by another registrar proxy
Hi list,
was playing with FS 1.0.6 and trying to test the registration performance of FS. (Yes I know FS is more suited as a B2BUA, but please read further :p)
So I did the following: - generate one xml file with 20 000 user account like this: <include> <user id="1"> <params> <param name="password" value="1234"/> </params> </user> <user id="2"> <params> <param name="password" value="1234"/> </params> ...
Then I used Sipp to test how many registration per second could be fired to the server (quad core 2.83Ghz). I setup ulimit variables, and disable nat.
I got this: - using SQL Lite: unable to get higher than 80 registrations per second (in fact it's less than this number but didn't test too much this setup), I see a lot of retransmission in Sipp - using SQL Lite in ramdisk (tmpfs): OK with 80 registrations per second but not much - using ODBC and mysql: 130 reg/sec is OK
With ODBC, above 150 reg/sec I see that FS is stalled to 100-110% CPU, I think it's because I'm using only one SIP profile and that SOFIA is monothreaded for this SIP profile. If I'd like to register every 60sec, the server has to support at least more than 300 registration per second.
So I'm wondering if I could setup something like this: - use another SIP Proxy as a registrar and feed the ODBC "sip_registration database" of FS - FS will be able to use this database to setup a call - use FS as the outbound proxy for call routing
But what about the user params that have been setup in the xml file above. I think that FS loads the user params each time a user is registered.
Comments and advices are welcome.
regards, rod.
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Rod - interesting. I am also thinking about the best architecture as far as registrations goes. So things that spring to my mind include: - using more that one FS box to spread the load - basically create a FS cluster - with OpenSIPS in front to load balance - use *mod_xml_curl *to pull /directory info from one source - possibly using OpenSIPS to handle registrations (although I am not sure how to get around the single point of failure issue there) On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Rod. <kawarod@laposte.net> wrote:
Hi list,
was playing with FS 1.0.6 and trying to test the registration performance of FS. (Yes I know FS is more suited as a B2BUA, but please read further :p)
So I did the following: - generate one xml file with 20 000 user account like this: <include> <user id="1"> <params> <param name="password" value="1234"/> </params> </user> <user id="2"> <params> <param name="password" value="1234"/> </params> ...
Then I used Sipp to test how many registration per second could be fired to the server (quad core 2.83Ghz). I setup ulimit variables, and disable nat.
I got this: - using SQL Lite: unable to get higher than 80 registrations per second (in fact it's less than this number but didn't test too much this setup), I see a lot of retransmission in Sipp - using SQL Lite in ramdisk (tmpfs): OK with 80 registrations per second but not much - using ODBC and mysql: 130 reg/sec is OK
With ODBC, above 150 reg/sec I see that FS is stalled to 100-110% CPU, I think it's because I'm using only one SIP profile and that SOFIA is monothreaded for this SIP profile. If I'd like to register every 60sec, the server has to support at least more than 300 registration per second.
So I'm wondering if I could setup something like this: - use another SIP Proxy as a registrar and feed the ODBC "sip_registration database" of FS - FS will be able to use this database to setup a call - use FS as the outbound proxy for call routing
But what about the user params that have been setup in the xml file above. I think that FS loads the user params each time a user is registered.
Comments and advices are welcome.
regards, rod.
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Rod, Registering every 60 seconds is a bad idea, and this should not be justified. You should register every 1800 seconds and send a NAT keepalive every X seconds. X should be slightly lower than the NAT UDP timeout of the router in front of the phones, if the phones are behind NAT. If the phones are not behind NAT, NAT keepalive is not necessary. David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur. Le 03/05/2010 à 15:39, Rod. a écrit :
Hi list,
was playing with FS 1.0.6 and trying to test the registration performance of FS. (Yes I know FS is more suited as a B2BUA, but please read further :p)
So I did the following: - generate one xml file with 20 000 user account like this: <include> <user id="1"> <params> <param name="password" value="1234"/> </params> </user> <user id="2"> <params> <param name="password" value="1234"/> </params> ...
Then I used Sipp to test how many registration per second could be fired to the server (quad core 2.83Ghz). I setup ulimit variables, and disable nat.
I got this: - using SQL Lite: unable to get higher than 80 registrations per second (in fact it's less than this number but didn't test too much this setup), I see a lot of retransmission in Sipp - using SQL Lite in ramdisk (tmpfs): OK with 80 registrations per second but not much - using ODBC and mysql: 130 reg/sec is OK
With ODBC, above 150 reg/sec I see that FS is stalled to 100-110% CPU, I think it's because I'm using only one SIP profile and that SOFIA is monothreaded for this SIP profile. If I'd like to register every 60sec, the server has to support at least more than 300 registration per second.
So I'm wondering if I could setup something like this: - use another SIP Proxy as a registrar and feed the ODBC "sip_registration database" of FS - FS will be able to use this database to setup a call - use FS as the outbound proxy for call routing
But what about the user params that have been setup in the xml file above. I think that FS loads the user params each time a user is registered.
Comments and advices are welcome.
regards, rod.
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Hi, thanks for your answer and just some details to describe what I'm looking for. I have to register 25 000 subscribers, no NAT is involved, each equipment has its own IP address. These equipments are registering every 60 seconds on our current platform, but I can change this parameter if needed. Equipments are ADSL CPE (router), that's why I'm using 60sec cause flapping could happen very often with ADSL if the copper line is crappy. ADSL could be very unpredictable sometimes. As I don't want to delay too much forwarding to voicemail if a user is unavailable (network issue), 60 sec was chosen (bandwith is not an issue). But as I told before, I'm open to your suggestions. To Philip, using a single SIP proxy (opensips/ser...) in front of a FS cluster could be a single point of failure too. I think that maybe a solution using DNS SRV to distribute the load across a cluster could do the trick or some kind of LVS (virtual IP shared across many servers) XML curl is a good idea too. To be honest, clustering is a must to avoid a single point of failure, but FS performance as a SBC are really great even on commodity hardware, more than 100 CallPerSecond with no transcoding. That's why I think that a mix with a SIP registrar and FS (and redundancy) could easily handle my 25 000 subscribers. I did some lab (one or 2 years ago) with Kamailio registering 90 000 users every 60sec (1500 Registration per second) without any issues. In my network, 25 000 users are not pushing more than 10 CPS and 500 simultaneous call. I'm not doing VoIP termination. At the moment, I'm just collecting data/feedback on what could be done as I have some time to work on this project, and if going further I will share the configuration as I did before: http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/SBC_Setup (not the best setup, but hope it helps users to begin with FS) regards, rod. Le 03/05/2010 19:54, David Ponzone a écrit :
Rod,
Registering every 60 seconds is a bad idea, and this should not be justified. You should register every 1800 seconds and send a NAT keepalive every X seconds. X should be slightly lower than the NAT UDP timeout of the router in front of the phones, if the phones are behind NAT. If the phones are not behind NAT, NAT keepalive is not necessary.
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Le 03/05/2010 à 15:39, Rod. a écrit :
Hi list,
was playing with FS 1.0.6 and trying to test the registration performance of FS. (Yes I know FS is more suited as a B2BUA, but please read further :p)
So I did the following: - generate one xml file with 20 000 user account like this: <include> <user id="1"> <params> <param name="password" value="1234"/> </params> </user> <user id="2"> <params> <param name="password" value="1234"/> </params> ...
Then I used Sipp to test how many registration per second could be fired to the server (quad core 2.83Ghz). I setup ulimit variables, and disable nat.
I got this: - using SQL Lite: unable to get higher than 80 registrations per second (in fact it's less than this number but didn't test too much this setup), I see a lot of retransmission in Sipp - using SQL Lite in ramdisk (tmpfs): OK with 80 registrations per second but not much - using ODBC and mysql: 130 reg/sec is OK
With ODBC, above 150 reg/sec I see that FS is stalled to 100-110% CPU, I think it's because I'm using only one SIP profile and that SOFIA is monothreaded for this SIP profile. If I'd like to register every 60sec, the server has to support at least more than 300 registration per second.
So I'm wondering if I could setup something like this: - use another SIP Proxy as a registrar and feed the ODBC "sip_registration database" of FS - FS will be able to use this database to setup a call - use FS as the outbound proxy for call routing
But what about the user params that have been setup in the xml file above. I think that FS loads the user params each time a user is registered.
Comments and advices are welcome.
regards, rod.
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May a suggest a change filter developed if this really is needed? Re-loading everything just in case something has changes is a huge waste of bandwidth and CPU - if you install an intelligent change filter you would be down to a few entries changing. Jan Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 21:06:54 +0400 From: kawarod@laposte.net To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Registration ODBC feeded by another registrar proxy Hi, thanks for your answer and just some details to describe what I'm looking for. I have to register 25 000 subscribers, no NAT is involved, each equipment has its own IP address. These equipments are registering every 60 seconds on our current platform, but I can change this parameter if needed. Equipments are ADSL CPE (router), that's why I'm using 60sec cause flapping could happen very often with ADSL if the copper line is crappy. ADSL could be very unpredictable sometimes. As I don't want to delay too much forwarding to voicemail if a user is unavailable (network issue), 60 sec was chosen (bandwith is not an issue). But as I told before, I'm open to your suggestions. To Philip, using a single SIP proxy (opensips/ser...) in front of a FS cluster could be a single point of failure too. I think that maybe a solution using DNS SRV to distribute the load across a cluster could do the trick or some kind of LVS (virtual IP shared across many servers) XML curl is a good idea too. To be honest, clustering is a must to avoid a single point of failure, but FS performance as a SBC are really great even on commodity hardware, more than 100 CallPerSecond with no transcoding. That's why I think that a mix with a SIP registrar and FS (and redundancy) could easily handle my 25 000 subscribers. I did some lab (one or 2 years ago) with Kamailio registering 90 000 users every 60sec (1500 Registration per second) without any issues. In my network, 25 000 users are not pushing more than 10 CPS and 500 simultaneous call. I'm not doing VoIP termination. At the moment, I'm just collecting data/feedback on what could be done as I have some time to work on this project, and if going further I will share the configuration as I did before: http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/SBC_Setup (not the best setup, but hope it helps users to begin with FS) regards, rod. Le 03/05/2010 19:54, David Ponzone a écrit : Rod, Registering every 60 seconds is a bad idea, and this should not be justified. You should register every 1800 seconds and send a NAT keepalive every X seconds. X should be slightly lower than the NAT UDP timeout of the router in front of the phones, if the phones are behind NAT. If the phones are not behind NAT, NAT keepalive is not necessary. David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur. Le 03/05/2010 à 15:39, Rod. a écrit : Hi list, was playing with FS 1.0.6 and trying to test the registration performance of FS. (Yes I know FS is more suited as a B2BUA, but please read further :p) So I did the following: - generate one xml file with 20 000 user account like this: <include> <user id="1"> <params> <param name="password" value="1234"/> </params> </user> <user id="2"> <params> <param name="password" value="1234"/> </params> ... Then I used Sipp to test how many registration per second could be fired to the server (quad core 2.83Ghz). I setup ulimit variables, and disable nat. I got this: - using SQL Lite: unable to get higher than 80 registrations per second (in fact it's less than this number but didn't test too much this setup), I see a lot of retransmission in Sipp - using SQL Lite in ramdisk (tmpfs): OK with 80 registrations per second but not much - using ODBC and mysql: 130 reg/sec is OK With ODBC, above 150 reg/sec I see that FS is stalled to 100-110% CPU, I think it's because I'm using only one SIP profile and that SOFIA is monothreaded for this SIP profile. If I'd like to register every 60sec, the server has to support at least more than 300 registration per second. So I'm wondering if I could setup something like this: - use another SIP Proxy as a registrar and feed the ODBC "sip_registration database" of FS - FS will be able to use this database to setup a call - use FS as the outbound proxy for call routing But what about the user params that have been setup in the xml file above. I think that FS loads the user params each time a user is registered. 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Hi, I already thought about that, as I'm using static IP it could be even easier. But how to check network connectivity issue and reroute call to voicemail asap: call progress timeout ?? rod Le 03/05/2010 21:42, Jan Berger a écrit :
May a suggest a change filter developed if this really is needed?
Re-loading everything just in case something has changes is a huge waste of bandwidth and CPU - if you install an intelligent change filter you would be down to a few entries changing.
Jan
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 21:06:54 +0400 From: kawarod@laposte.net To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Registration ODBC feeded by another registrar proxy
Hi,
thanks for your answer and just some details to describe what I'm looking for. I have to register 25 000 subscribers, no NAT is involved, each equipment has its own IP address. These equipments are registering every 60 seconds on our current platform, but I can change this parameter if needed. Equipments are ADSL CPE (router), that's why I'm using 60sec cause flapping could happen very often with ADSL if the copper line is crappy. ADSL could be very unpredictable sometimes. As I don't want to delay too much forwarding to voicemail if a user is unavailable (network issue), 60 sec was chosen (bandwith is not an issue). But as I told before, I'm open to your suggestions.
To Philip, using a single SIP proxy (opensips/ser...) in front of a FS cluster could be a single point of failure too. I think that maybe a solution using DNS SRV to distribute the load across a cluster could do the trick or some kind of LVS (virtual IP shared across many servers) XML curl is a good idea too. To be honest, clustering is a must to avoid a single point of failure, but FS performance as a SBC are really great even on commodity hardware, more than 100 CallPerSecond with no transcoding. That's why I think that a mix with a SIP registrar and FS (and redundancy) could easily handle my 25 000 subscribers. I did some lab (one or 2 years ago) with Kamailio registering 90 000 users every 60sec (1500 Registration per second) without any issues. In my network, 25 000 users are not pushing more than 10 CPS and 500 simultaneous call. I'm not doing VoIP termination.
At the moment, I'm just collecting data/feedback on what could be done as I have some time to work on this project, and if going further I will share the configuration as I did before: http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/SBC_Setup (not the best setup, but hope it helps users to begin with FS)
regards, rod.
Le 03/05/2010 19:54, David Ponzone a écrit :
Rod,
Registering every 60 seconds is a bad idea, and this should not be justified. You should register every 1800 seconds and send a NAT keepalive every X seconds. X should be slightly lower than the NAT UDP timeout of the router in front of the phones, if the phones are behind NAT. If the phones are not behind NAT, NAT keepalive is not necessary.
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Le 03/05/2010 à 15:39, Rod. a écrit :
Hi list,
was playing with FS 1.0.6 and trying to test the registration performance of FS. (Yes I know FS is more suited as a B2BUA, but please read further :p)
So I did the following: - generate one xml file with 20 000 user account like this: <include> <user id="1"> <params> <param name="password" value="1234"/> </params> </user> <user id="2"> <params> <param name="password" value="1234"/> </params> ...
Then I used Sipp to test how many registration per second could be fired to the server (quad core 2.83Ghz). I setup ulimit variables, and disable nat.
I got this: - using SQL Lite: unable to get higher than 80 registrations per second (in fact it's less than this number but didn't test too much this setup), I see a lot of retransmission in Sipp - using SQL Lite in ramdisk (tmpfs): OK with 80 registrations per second but not much - using ODBC and mysql: 130 reg/sec is OK
With ODBC, above 150 reg/sec I see that FS is stalled to 100-110% CPU, I think it's because I'm using only one SIP profile and that SOFIA is monothreaded for this SIP profile. If I'd like to register every 60sec, the server has to support at least more than 300 registration per second.
So I'm wondering if I could setup something like this: - use another SIP Proxy as a registrar and feed the ODBC "sip_registration database" of FS - FS will be able to use this database to setup a call - use FS as the outbound proxy for call routing
But what about the user params that have been setup in the xml file above. I think that FS loads the user params each time a user is registered.
Comments and advices are welcome.
regards, rod.
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Hi, At the moment, I'm registering 40000 users in FS using ODBC with no more than 16 registration/sec. When I do a select in the sip_registrations table, I see that every sip_user have an expires value equal to something like "1273141208" even if I'm using an expire value of 3600 in my sip register request. +-----------------------+----------+--------------+----------------+-----------------------------------+-----------------+---------+------------+------------+-------------+---------------+--------------+----------+------------+--------------+--------------+--------------+----------+--------------+------------------+---------------+ | call_id | sip_user | sip_host | presence_hosts | contact | status | rpid | expires | user_agent | server_user | server_host | profile_name | hostname | network_ip | network_port | sip_username | sip_realm | mwi_user | mwi_host | orig_server_host | orig_hostname | +-----------------------+----------+--------------+----------------+-----------------------------------+-----------------+---------+------------+------------+-------------+---------------+--------------+----------+------------+--------------+--------------+--------------+----------+--------------+------------------+---------------+ | 83755-2574@10.10.55.1 | 3755 | 10.10.55.254 | 10.10.55.254 | "user" <sip:3755@10.10.55.1:5060> | Registered(UDP) | unknown | 1273141208 | SIPp/Linux | 3755 | 172.30.30.129 | internal | voip | 10.10.55.1 | 5060 | 3755 | 10.10.55.254 | 3755 | 10.10.55.254 | 172.30.30.129 | voip | +-----------------------+----------+--------------+----------------+-----------------------------------+-----------------+---------+------------+------------+-------------+---------------+--------------+----------+------------+--------------+--------------+--------------+----------+--------------+------------------+---------------+ When I look in the sofia status profile, it seems that the correct expires value is set. Any idea why the expires is not set accordingly to the SIP REGISTER. Moreover, when doing a "sofia status profile internal" with such a huge subscribers list, the CPU is at 100% and processing no more SIP messages. Is there a way to prevent this, by setting for example a lower priority to CLI request. I already mounted the SQLlite DB in RAM to avoid IO bottlenecks. regards, rod Le 04/05/2010 12:12, Rod. a écrit :
Hi,
I already thought about that, as I'm using static IP it could be even easier. But how to check network connectivity issue and reroute call to voicemail asap: call progress timeout ??
rod
Le 03/05/2010 21:42, Jan Berger a écrit :
May a suggest a change filter developed if this really is needed?
Re-loading everything just in case something has changes is a huge waste of bandwidth and CPU - if you install an intelligent change filter you would be down to a few entries changing.
Jan
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 21:06:54 +0400 From: kawarod@laposte.net To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Registration ODBC feeded by another registrar proxy
Hi,
thanks for your answer and just some details to describe what I'm looking for. I have to register 25 000 subscribers, no NAT is involved, each equipment has its own IP address. These equipments are registering every 60 seconds on our current platform, but I can change this parameter if needed. Equipments are ADSL CPE (router), that's why I'm using 60sec cause flapping could happen very often with ADSL if the copper line is crappy. ADSL could be very unpredictable sometimes. As I don't want to delay too much forwarding to voicemail if a user is unavailable (network issue), 60 sec was chosen (bandwith is not an issue). But as I told before, I'm open to your suggestions.
To Philip, using a single SIP proxy (opensips/ser...) in front of a FS cluster could be a single point of failure too. I think that maybe a solution using DNS SRV to distribute the load across a cluster could do the trick or some kind of LVS (virtual IP shared across many servers) XML curl is a good idea too. To be honest, clustering is a must to avoid a single point of failure, but FS performance as a SBC are really great even on commodity hardware, more than 100 CallPerSecond with no transcoding. That's why I think that a mix with a SIP registrar and FS (and redundancy) could easily handle my 25 000 subscribers. I did some lab (one or 2 years ago) with Kamailio registering 90 000 users every 60sec (1500 Registration per second) without any issues. In my network, 25 000 users are not pushing more than 10 CPS and 500 simultaneous call. I'm not doing VoIP termination.
At the moment, I'm just collecting data/feedback on what could be done as I have some time to work on this project, and if going further I will share the configuration as I did before: http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/SBC_Setup (not the best setup, but hope it helps users to begin with FS)
regards, rod.
Le 03/05/2010 19:54, David Ponzone a écrit :
Rod,
Registering every 60 seconds is a bad idea, and this should not be justified. You should register every 1800 seconds and send a NAT keepalive every X seconds. X should be slightly lower than the NAT UDP timeout of the router in front of the phones, if the phones are behind NAT. If the phones are not behind NAT, NAT keepalive is not necessary.
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Le 03/05/2010 à 15:39, Rod. a écrit :
Hi list,
was playing with FS 1.0.6 and trying to test the registration performance of FS. (Yes I know FS is more suited as a B2BUA, but please read further :p)
So I did the following: - generate one xml file with 20 000 user account like this: <include> <user id="1"> <params> <param name="password" value="1234"/> </params> </user> <user id="2"> <params> <param name="password" value="1234"/> </params> ...
Then I used Sipp to test how many registration per second could be fired to the server (quad core 2.83Ghz). I setup ulimit variables, and disable nat.
I got this: - using SQL Lite: unable to get higher than 80 registrations per second (in fact it's less than this number but didn't test too much this setup), I see a lot of retransmission in Sipp - using SQL Lite in ramdisk (tmpfs): OK with 80 registrations per second but not much - using ODBC and mysql: 130 reg/sec is OK
With ODBC, above 150 reg/sec I see that FS is stalled to 100-110% CPU, I think it's because I'm using only one SIP profile and that SOFIA is monothreaded for this SIP profile. If I'd like to register every 60sec, the server has to support at least more than 300 registration per second.
So I'm wondering if I could setup something like this: - use another SIP Proxy as a registrar and feed the ODBC "sip_registration database" of FS - FS will be able to use this database to setup a call - use FS as the outbound proxy for call routing
But what about the user params that have been setup in the xml file above. I think that FS loads the user params each time a user is registered.
Comments and advices are welcome.
regards, rod.
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Ron, I don't know - but I suspect that expires is a actual time. That would make sense to me - something like: expires = epochNow + timeout; As for the 40,000 users - are you really planning doing this on one box? Registrations + there traffic? Surely doing a FS cluster as discussed or having OpenSIPS handle registration would be the way to go here. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Rod. <kawarod@laposte.net> wrote:
Hi,
At the moment, I'm registering 40000 users in FS using ODBC with no more than 16 registration/sec. When I do a select in the sip_registrations table, I see that every sip_user have an expires value equal to something like "1273141208" even if I'm using an expire value of 3600 in my sip register request.
+-----------------------+----------+--------------+----------------+-----------------------------------+-----------------+---------+------------+------------+-------------+---------------+--------------+----------+------------+--------------+--------------+--------------+----------+--------------+------------------+---------------+ | call_id | sip_user | sip_host | presence_hosts | contact | status | rpid | expires | user_agent | server_user | server_host | profile_name | hostname | network_ip | network_port | sip_username | sip_realm | mwi_user | mwi_host | orig_server_host | orig_hostname |
+-----------------------+----------+--------------+----------------+-----------------------------------+-----------------+---------+------------+------------+-------------+---------------+--------------+----------+------------+--------------+--------------+--------------+----------+--------------+------------------+---------------+ | 83755-2574@10.10.55.1 | 3755 | 10.10.55.254 | 10.10.55.254 | "user" <sip:3755@10.10.55.1:5060> <sip:3755@10.10.55.1:5060> | Registered(UDP) | unknown | 1273141208 | SIPp/Linux | 3755 | 172.30.30.129 | internal | voip | 10.10.55.1 | 5060 | 3755 | 10.10.55.254 | 3755 | 10.10.55.254 | 172.30.30.129 | voip |
+-----------------------+----------+--------------+----------------+-----------------------------------+-----------------+---------+------------+------------+-------------+---------------+--------------+----------+------------+--------------+--------------+--------------+----------+--------------+------------------+---------------+
When I look in the sofia status profile, it seems that the correct expires value is set. Any idea why the expires is not set accordingly to the SIP REGISTER.
Moreover, when doing a "sofia status profile internal" with such a huge subscribers list, the CPU is at 100% and processing no more SIP messages. Is there a way to prevent this, by setting for example a lower priority to CLI request. I already mounted the SQLlite DB in RAM to avoid IO bottlenecks.
regards, rod
Le 04/05/2010 12:12, Rod. a écrit :
Hi,
I already thought about that, as I'm using static IP it could be even easier. But how to check network connectivity issue and reroute call to voicemail asap: call progress timeout ??
rod
Le 03/05/2010 21:42, Jan Berger a écrit :
May a suggest a change filter developed if this really is needed?
Re-loading everything just in case something has changes is a huge waste of bandwidth and CPU - if you install an intelligent change filter you would be down to a few entries changing.
Jan
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 21:06:54 +0400 From: kawarod@laposte.net To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Registration ODBC feeded by another registrar proxy
Hi,
thanks for your answer and just some details to describe what I'm looking for. I have to register 25 000 subscribers, no NAT is involved, each equipment has its own IP address. These equipments are registering every 60 seconds on our current platform, but I can change this parameter if needed. Equipments are ADSL CPE (router), that's why I'm using 60sec cause flapping could happen very often with ADSL if the copper line is crappy. ADSL could be very unpredictable sometimes. As I don't want to delay too much forwarding to voicemail if a user is unavailable (network issue), 60 sec was chosen (bandwith is not an issue). But as I told before, I'm open to your suggestions.
To Philip, using a single SIP proxy (opensips/ser...) in front of a FS cluster could be a single point of failure too. I think that maybe a solution using DNS SRV to distribute the load across a cluster could do the trick or some kind of LVS (virtual IP shared across many servers) XML curl is a good idea too. To be honest, clustering is a must to avoid a single point of failure, but FS performance as a SBC are really great even on commodity hardware, more than 100 CallPerSecond with no transcoding. That's why I think that a mix with a SIP registrar and FS (and redundancy) could easily handle my 25 000 subscribers. I did some lab (one or 2 years ago) with Kamailio registering 90 000 users every 60sec (1500 Registration per second) without any issues. In my network, 25 000 users are not pushing more than 10 CPS and 500 simultaneous call. I'm not doing VoIP termination.
At the moment, I'm just collecting data/feedback on what could be done as I have some time to work on this project, and if going further I will share the configuration as I did before: http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/SBC_Setup (not the best setup, but hope it helps users to begin with FS)
regards, rod.
Le 03/05/2010 19:54, David Ponzone a écrit :
Rod,
Registering every 60 seconds is a bad idea, and this should not be justified. You should register every 1800 seconds and send a NAT keepalive every X seconds. X should be slightly lower than the NAT UDP timeout of the router in front of the phones, if the phones are behind NAT. If the phones are not behind NAT, NAT keepalive is not necessary.
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Le 03/05/2010 à 15:39, Rod. a écrit :
Hi list,
was playing with FS 1.0.6 and trying to test the registration performance of FS. (Yes I know FS is more suited as a B2BUA, but please read further :p)
So I did the following: - generate one xml file with 20 000 user account like this: <include> <user id="1"> <params> <param name="password" value="1234"/> </params> </user> <user id="2"> <params> <param name="password" value="1234"/> </params> ...
Then I used Sipp to test how many registration per second could be fired to the server (quad core 2.83Ghz). I setup ulimit variables, and disable nat.
I got this: - using SQL Lite: unable to get higher than 80 registrations per second (in fact it's less than this number but didn't test too much this setup), I see a lot of retransmission in Sipp - using SQL Lite in ramdisk (tmpfs): OK with 80 registrations per second but not much - using ODBC and mysql: 130 reg/sec is OK
With ODBC, above 150 reg/sec I see that FS is stalled to 100-110% CPU, I think it's because I'm using only one SIP profile and that SOFIA is monothreaded for this SIP profile. If I'd like to register every 60sec, the server has to support at least more than 300 registration per second.
So I'm wondering if I could setup something like this: - use another SIP Proxy as a registrar and feed the ODBC "sip_registration database" of FS - FS will be able to use this database to setup a call - use FS as the outbound proxy for call routing
But what about the user params that have been setup in the xml file above. I think that FS loads the user params each time a user is registered.
Comments and advices are welcome.
regards, rod.
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Thanks Philipp, for the 40 000 users, I'm just playing with FS at the moment. I know that clustering is the way to go, but at the moment I'm just trying FS as a big PBX. rod. Le 06/05/2010 17:00, Phillip Jones a écrit :
Ron,
I don't know - but I suspect that expires is a actual time. That would make sense to me - something like:
expires = epochNow + timeout;
As for the 40,000 users - are you really planning doing this on one box? Registrations + there traffic? Surely doing a FS cluster as discussed or having OpenSIPS handle registration would be the way to go here.
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Rod. <kawarod@laposte.net <mailto:kawarod@laposte.net>> wrote:
Hi,
At the moment, I'm registering 40000 users in FS using ODBC with no more than 16 registration/sec. When I do a select in the sip_registrations table, I see that every sip_user have an expires value equal to something like "1273141208" even if I'm using an expire value of 3600 in my sip register request.
+-----------------------+----------+--------------+----------------+-----------------------------------+-----------------+---------+------------+------------+-------------+---------------+--------------+----------+------------+--------------+--------------+--------------+----------+--------------+------------------+---------------+ | call_id | sip_user | sip_host | presence_hosts | contact | status | rpid | expires | user_agent | server_user | server_host | profile_name | hostname | network_ip | network_port | sip_username | sip_realm | mwi_user | mwi_host | orig_server_host | orig_hostname | +-----------------------+----------+--------------+----------------+-----------------------------------+-----------------+---------+------------+------------+-------------+---------------+--------------+----------+------------+--------------+--------------+--------------+----------+--------------+------------------+---------------+ | 83755-2574@10.10.55.1 <mailto:83755-2574@10.10.55.1> | 3755 | 10.10.55.254 | 10.10.55.254 | "user" <sip:3755@10.10.55.1:5060> <mailto:sip:3755@10.10.55.1:5060> | Registered(UDP) | unknown | 1273141208 | SIPp/Linux | 3755 | 172.30.30.129 | internal | voip | 10.10.55.1 | 5060 | 3755 | 10.10.55.254 | 3755 | 10.10.55.254 | 172.30.30.129 | voip | +-----------------------+----------+--------------+----------------+-----------------------------------+-----------------+---------+------------+------------+-------------+---------------+--------------+----------+------------+--------------+--------------+--------------+----------+--------------+------------------+---------------+
When I look in the sofia status profile, it seems that the correct expires value is set. Any idea why the expires is not set accordingly to the SIP REGISTER.
Moreover, when doing a "sofia status profile internal" with such a huge subscribers list, the CPU is at 100% and processing no more SIP messages. Is there a way to prevent this, by setting for example a lower priority to CLI request. I already mounted the SQLlite DB in RAM to avoid IO bottlenecks.
regards, rod
Le 04/05/2010 12:12, Rod. a écrit :
Hi,
I already thought about that, as I'm using static IP it could be even easier. But how to check network connectivity issue and reroute call to voicemail asap: call progress timeout ??
rod
Le 03/05/2010 21:42, Jan Berger a écrit :
May a suggest a change filter developed if this really is needed?
Re-loading everything just in case something has changes is a huge waste of bandwidth and CPU - if you install an intelligent change filter you would be down to a few entries changing.
Jan
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Hi,
thanks for your answer and just some details to describe what I'm looking for. I have to register 25 000 subscribers, no NAT is involved, each equipment has its own IP address. These equipments are registering every 60 seconds on our current platform, but I can change this parameter if needed. Equipments are ADSL CPE (router), that's why I'm using 60sec cause flapping could happen very often with ADSL if the copper line is crappy. ADSL could be very unpredictable sometimes. As I don't want to delay too much forwarding to voicemail if a user is unavailable (network issue), 60 sec was chosen (bandwith is not an issue). But as I told before, I'm open to your suggestions.
To Philip, using a single SIP proxy (opensips/ser...) in front of a FS cluster could be a single point of failure too. I think that maybe a solution using DNS SRV to distribute the load across a cluster could do the trick or some kind of LVS (virtual IP shared across many servers) XML curl is a good idea too. To be honest, clustering is a must to avoid a single point of failure, but FS performance as a SBC are really great even on commodity hardware, more than 100 CallPerSecond with no transcoding. That's why I think that a mix with a SIP registrar and FS (and redundancy) could easily handle my 25 000 subscribers. I did some lab (one or 2 years ago) with Kamailio registering 90 000 users every 60sec (1500 Registration per second) without any issues. In my network, 25 000 users are not pushing more than 10 CPS and 500 simultaneous call. I'm not doing VoIP termination.
At the moment, I'm just collecting data/feedback on what could be done as I have some time to work on this project, and if going further I will share the configuration as I did before: http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/SBC_Setup (not the best setup, but hope it helps users to begin with FS)
regards, rod.
Le 03/05/2010 19:54, David Ponzone a écrit :
Rod,
Registering every 60 seconds is a bad idea, and this should not be justified. You should register every 1800 seconds and send a NAT keepalive every X seconds. X should be slightly lower than the NAT UDP timeout of the router in front of the phones, if the phones are behind NAT. If the phones are not behind NAT, NAT keepalive is not necessary.
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Le 03/05/2010 à 15:39, Rod. a écrit :
Hi list,
was playing with FS 1.0.6 and trying to test the registration performance of FS. (Yes I know FS is more suited as a B2BUA, but please read further :p)
So I did the following: - generate one xml file with 20 000 user account like this: <include> <user id="1"> <params> <param name="password" value="1234"/> </params> </user> <user id="2"> <params> <param name="password" value="1234"/> </params> ...
Then I used Sipp to test how many registration per second could be fired to the server (quad core 2.83Ghz). I setup ulimit variables, and disable nat.
I got this: - using SQL Lite: unable to get higher than 80 registrations per second (in fact it's less than this number but didn't test too much this setup), I see a lot of retransmission in Sipp - using SQL Lite in ramdisk (tmpfs): OK with 80 registrations per second but not much - using ODBC and mysql: 130 reg/sec is OK
With ODBC, above 150 reg/sec I see that FS is stalled to 100-110% CPU, I think it's because I'm using only one SIP profile and that SOFIA is monothreaded for this SIP profile. If I'd like to register every 60sec, the server has to support at least more than 300 registration per second.
So I'm wondering if I could setup something like this: - use another SIP Proxy as a registrar and feed the ODBC "sip_registration database" of FS - FS will be able to use this database to setup a call - use FS as the outbound proxy for call routing
But what about the user params that have been setup in the xml file above. I think that FS loads the user params each time a user is registered.
Comments and advices are welcome.
regards, rod.
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