Hi all - I'm very excited to see support for websockets in 1.4.4! However, I'm having trouble getting wss working. When I enable it, by adding the following to internal.xml: <param name="wss-binding" value=":7443"/> I get the following error when I reload mod_sofia: 2014-05-27 09:24:47.910948 [ERR] sofia.c:2778 Error Creating SIP UA for profile: internal (sip:mod_sofia@209.234.253.18:5060;transport=udp,tcp) The likely causes for this are: 1) Another application is already listening on the specified address. 2) The IP the profile is attempting to bind to is not local to this system. When I comment out the wss line, the error goes away. Strange... 209.234.253.18 is local to the machine, and I'm specifying 7443 as the wss bind IP, not 5060 (which is specified as the "sip_port" in the internal.xml file). If I change the sip_port to a different number, I get the error, but it specifies the new sip_port. Also, accordig to lsof, port 7443 is not in use. I have ws enabled without problems. Here are the only differences between my sip_profile directory and the vanilla conf one: 0 paul:/etc/freeswitch# diff -ur /usr/share/freeswitch/conf/vanilla/sip_profiles/ /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/|less Only in /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/external: mfpl-voicepulse.xml diff -ur /usr/share/freeswitch/conf/vanilla/sip_profiles/internal.xml /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/internal.xml --- /usr/share/freeswitch/conf/vanilla/sip_profiles/internal.xml 2014-05-22 14:39:26.000000000 -0400 +++ /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/internal.xml 2014-05-27 09:29:29.000000000 -0400 @@ -196,7 +196,7 @@ <!-- Port to listen on for TLS requests. (5061 will be used if unspecified) --> <param name="tls-sip-port" value="$${internal_tls_port}"/> <!-- Location of the agent.pem and cafile.pem ssl certificates (needed for TLS server) --> - <!--<param name="tls-cert-dir" value=""/>--> + <param name="tls-cert-dir" value="/etc/freeswitch/certs"/> <!-- Optionally set the passphrase password used by openSSL to encrypt/decrypt TLS private key files --> <param name="tls-passphrase" value=""/> <!-- Verify the date on TLS certificates --> @@ -304,7 +304,7 @@ <!-- uncomment for sip over websocket support --> - <!--<param name="ws-binding" value=":5066"/>--> + <param name="ws-binding" value=":5066"/> <!-- uncomment for sip over secure websocket support --> <!-- You need wss.pem in /usr/local/freeswitch/certs for wss --> Any suggestions? jamie p.s. I do have wss.pem in /etc/freeswitch/certs -- May First/People Link Growing networks to build a just world http://www.mayfirst.org https://support.mayfirst.org OpenPGP Key: http://current.workingdirectory.net/pages/identity/ xmpp: jamie@im.mayfirst.org
this usually means a problem with the cert. You can turn up sofia debug to see a bit more info. On May 27, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Jamie McClelland <jm@mayfirst.org> wrote:
Hi all - I'm very excited to see support for websockets in 1.4.4!
However, I'm having trouble getting wss working.
When I enable it, by adding the following to internal.xml:
<param name="wss-binding" value=":7443"/>
I get the following error when I reload mod_sofia:
2014-05-27 09:24:47.910948 [ERR] sofia.c:2778 Error Creating SIP UA for profile: internal (sip:mod_sofia@209.234.253.18:5060;transport=udp,tcp) The likely causes for this are: 1) Another application is already listening on the specified address. 2) The IP the profile is attempting to bind to is not local to this system.
When I comment out the wss line, the error goes away.
Strange... 209.234.253.18 is local to the machine, and I'm specifying 7443 as the wss bind IP, not 5060 (which is specified as the "sip_port" in the internal.xml file). If I change the sip_port to a different number, I get the error, but it specifies the new sip_port.
Also, accordig to lsof, port 7443 is not in use.
I have ws enabled without problems.
Here are the only differences between my sip_profile directory and the vanilla conf one:
0 paul:/etc/freeswitch# diff -ur /usr/share/freeswitch/conf/vanilla/sip_profiles/ /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/|less Only in /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/external: mfpl-voicepulse.xml diff -ur /usr/share/freeswitch/conf/vanilla/sip_profiles/internal.xml /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/internal.xml --- /usr/share/freeswitch/conf/vanilla/sip_profiles/internal.xml 2014-05-22 14:39:26.000000000 -0400 +++ /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/internal.xml 2014-05-27 09:29:29.000000000 -0400 @@ -196,7 +196,7 @@ <!-- Port to listen on for TLS requests. (5061 will be used if unspecified) --> <param name="tls-sip-port" value="$${internal_tls_port}"/> <!-- Location of the agent.pem and cafile.pem ssl certificates (needed for TLS server) --> - <!--<param name="tls-cert-dir" value=""/>--> + <param name="tls-cert-dir" value="/etc/freeswitch/certs"/> <!-- Optionally set the passphrase password used by openSSL to encrypt/decrypt TLS private key files --> <param name="tls-passphrase" value=""/> <!-- Verify the date on TLS certificates --> @@ -304,7 +304,7 @@
<!-- uncomment for sip over websocket support --> - <!--<param name="ws-binding" value=":5066"/>--> + <param name="ws-binding" value=":5066"/>
<!-- uncomment for sip over secure websocket support --> <!-- You need wss.pem in /usr/local/freeswitch/certs for wss -->
Any suggestions?
jamie
p.s. I do have wss.pem in /etc/freeswitch/certs
Hi all, thank you!! On Tue May 27, Michael Jerris wrote:
this usually means a problem with the cert. You can turn up sofia debug to see a bit more info.
This is the problem. I couldn't get any more info with debugging, but verified that the crt/key was invalid with: openssl s_server -cert /etc/freeswitch/certs/wss.pem -key /etc/freeswitch/certs/wss.pem -www I fixed the .pem file and now it is working. On Tue May 27, Oleg Stolyar wrote:
Jamie, I believe you need to have the wss.pem file in /usr/loca/freeswitch/certs/ directory to avoid this problem.
I saw that as well... However, I grepped the source and found: key = switch_core_sprintf(profile->pool, "%s/%s", profile->tls_cert_dir, "wss.pem"); Which is why I also defined profile->tls_cert_dir and put it in there also. Now that I got it working, I confirmed that /usr/local/freeswitch/certs does not work. jamie -- May First/People Link Growing networks to build a just world http://www.mayfirst.org https://support.mayfirst.org OpenPGP Key: http://current.workingdirectory.net/pages/identity/ xmpp: jamie@im.mayfirst.org
Jamie, I believe you need to have the wss.pem file in /usr/loca/freeswitch/certs/ directory to avoid this problem. On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Jamie McClelland <jm@mayfirst.org> wrote:
Hi all - I'm very excited to see support for websockets in 1.4.4!
However, I'm having trouble getting wss working.
When I enable it, by adding the following to internal.xml:
<param name="wss-binding" value=":7443"/>
I get the following error when I reload mod_sofia:
2014-05-27 09:24:47.910948 [ERR] sofia.c:2778 Error Creating SIP UA for profile: internal (sip:mod_sofia@209.234.253.18:5060;transport=udp,tcp) The likely causes for this are: 1) Another application is already listening on the specified address. 2) The IP the profile is attempting to bind to is not local to this system.
When I comment out the wss line, the error goes away.
Strange... 209.234.253.18 is local to the machine, and I'm specifying 7443 as the wss bind IP, not 5060 (which is specified as the "sip_port" in the internal.xml file). If I change the sip_port to a different number, I get the error, but it specifies the new sip_port.
Also, accordig to lsof, port 7443 is not in use.
I have ws enabled without problems.
Here are the only differences between my sip_profile directory and the vanilla conf one:
0 paul:/etc/freeswitch# diff -ur /usr/share/freeswitch/conf/vanilla/sip_profiles/ /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/|less Only in /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/external: mfpl-voicepulse.xml diff -ur /usr/share/freeswitch/conf/vanilla/sip_profiles/internal.xml /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/internal.xml --- /usr/share/freeswitch/conf/vanilla/sip_profiles/internal.xml 2014-05-22 14:39:26.000000000 -0400 +++ /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/internal.xml 2014-05-27 09:29:29.000000000 -0400 @@ -196,7 +196,7 @@ <!-- Port to listen on for TLS requests. (5061 will be used if unspecified) --> <param name="tls-sip-port" value="$${internal_tls_port}"/> <!-- Location of the agent.pem and cafile.pem ssl certificates (needed for TLS server) --> - <!--<param name="tls-cert-dir" value=""/>--> + <param name="tls-cert-dir" value="/etc/freeswitch/certs"/> <!-- Optionally set the passphrase password used by openSSL to encrypt/decrypt TLS private key files --> <param name="tls-passphrase" value=""/> <!-- Verify the date on TLS certificates --> @@ -304,7 +304,7 @@
<!-- uncomment for sip over websocket support --> - <!--<param name="ws-binding" value=":5066"/>--> + <param name="ws-binding" value=":5066"/>
<!-- uncomment for sip over secure websocket support --> <!-- You need wss.pem in /usr/local/freeswitch/certs for wss -->
Any suggestions?
jamie
p.s. I do have wss.pem in /etc/freeswitch/certs
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No, he has the dir specified, so it won't use the default. On May 27, 2014, at 2:37 PM, Oleg Stolyar <olegstolyar@gmail.com> wrote:
Jamie, I believe you need to have the wss.pem file in /usr/loca/freeswitch/certs/ directory to avoid this problem.
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Jamie McClelland <jm@mayfirst.org> wrote: Hi all - I'm very excited to see support for websockets in 1.4.4!
However, I'm having trouble getting wss working.
When I enable it, by adding the following to internal.xml:
<param name="wss-binding" value=":7443"/>
I get the following error when I reload mod_sofia:
2014-05-27 09:24:47.910948 [ERR] sofia.c:2778 Error Creating SIP UA for profile: internal (sip:mod_sofia@209.234.253.18:5060;transport=udp,tcp) The likely causes for this are: 1) Another application is already listening on the specified address. 2) The IP the profile is attempting to bind to is not local to this system.
When I comment out the wss line, the error goes away.
Strange... 209.234.253.18 is local to the machine, and I'm specifying 7443 as the wss bind IP, not 5060 (which is specified as the "sip_port" in the internal.xml file). If I change the sip_port to a different number, I get the error, but it specifies the new sip_port.
Also, accordig to lsof, port 7443 is not in use.
I have ws enabled without problems.
Here are the only differences between my sip_profile directory and the vanilla conf one:
0 paul:/etc/freeswitch# diff -ur /usr/share/freeswitch/conf/vanilla/sip_profiles/ /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/|less Only in /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/external: mfpl-voicepulse.xml diff -ur /usr/share/freeswitch/conf/vanilla/sip_profiles/internal.xml /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/internal.xml --- /usr/share/freeswitch/conf/vanilla/sip_profiles/internal.xml 2014-05-22 14:39:26.000000000 -0400 +++ /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/internal.xml 2014-05-27 09:29:29.000000000 -0400 @@ -196,7 +196,7 @@ <!-- Port to listen on for TLS requests. (5061 will be used if unspecified) --> <param name="tls-sip-port" value="$${internal_tls_port}"/> <!-- Location of the agent.pem and cafile.pem ssl certificates (needed for TLS server) --> - <!--<param name="tls-cert-dir" value=""/>--> + <param name="tls-cert-dir" value="/etc/freeswitch/certs"/> <!-- Optionally set the passphrase password used by openSSL to encrypt/decrypt TLS private key files --> <param name="tls-passphrase" value=""/> <!-- Verify the date on TLS certificates --> @@ -304,7 +304,7 @@
<!-- uncomment for sip over websocket support --> - <!--<param name="ws-binding" value=":5066"/>--> + <param name="ws-binding" value=":5066"/>
<!-- uncomment for sip over secure websocket support --> <!-- You need wss.pem in /usr/local/freeswitch/certs for wss -->
Any suggestions?
jamie
p.s. I do have wss.pem in /etc/freeswitch/certs
You might want to re-comment that certs line in the sofia profile and instead start FS with -certs /etc/freeswitch/certs Also if you use the generated wss.pem, you will have to visit the socket at least once with your browser by changing wss://your.box to https://your.box:7443 and connecting and agreeing to the untrusted cert dialog. On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Michael Jerris <mike@jerris.com> wrote:
No, he has the dir specified, so it won't use the default.
On May 27, 2014, at 2:37 PM, Oleg Stolyar <olegstolyar@gmail.com> wrote:
Jamie, I believe you need to have the wss.pem file in /usr/loca/freeswitch/certs/ directory to avoid this problem.
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Jamie McClelland <jm@mayfirst.org> wrote:
Hi all - I'm very excited to see support for websockets in 1.4.4!
However, I'm having trouble getting wss working.
When I enable it, by adding the following to internal.xml:
<param name="wss-binding" value=":7443"/>
I get the following error when I reload mod_sofia:
2014-05-27 09:24:47.910948 [ERR] sofia.c:2778 Error Creating SIP UA for profile: internal (sip:mod_sofia@209.234.253.18:5060;transport=udp,tcp) The likely causes for this are: 1) Another application is already listening on the specified address. 2) The IP the profile is attempting to bind to is not local to this system.
When I comment out the wss line, the error goes away.
Strange... 209.234.253.18 is local to the machine, and I'm specifying 7443 as the wss bind IP, not 5060 (which is specified as the "sip_port" in the internal.xml file). If I change the sip_port to a different number, I get the error, but it specifies the new sip_port.
Also, accordig to lsof, port 7443 is not in use.
I have ws enabled without problems.
Here are the only differences between my sip_profile directory and the vanilla conf one:
0 paul:/etc/freeswitch# diff -ur /usr/share/freeswitch/conf/vanilla/sip_profiles/ /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/|less Only in /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/external: mfpl-voicepulse.xml diff -ur /usr/share/freeswitch/conf/vanilla/sip_profiles/internal.xml /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/internal.xml --- /usr/share/freeswitch/conf/vanilla/sip_profiles/internal.xml 2014-05-22 14:39:26.000000000 -0400 +++ /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/internal.xml 2014-05-27 09:29:29.000000000 -0400 @@ -196,7 +196,7 @@ <!-- Port to listen on for TLS requests. (5061 will be used if unspecified) --> <param name="tls-sip-port" value="$${internal_tls_port}"/> <!-- Location of the agent.pem and cafile.pem ssl certificates (needed for TLS server) --> - <!--<param name="tls-cert-dir" value=""/>--> + <param name="tls-cert-dir" value="/etc/freeswitch/certs"/> <!-- Optionally set the passphrase password used by openSSL to encrypt/decrypt TLS private key files --> <param name="tls-passphrase" value=""/> <!-- Verify the date on TLS certificates --> @@ -304,7 +304,7 @@
<!-- uncomment for sip over websocket support --> - <!--<param name="ws-binding" value=":5066"/>--> + <param name="ws-binding" value=":5066"/>
<!-- uncomment for sip over secure websocket support --> <!-- You need wss.pem in /usr/local/freeswitch/certs for wss -->
Any suggestions?
jamie
p.s. I do have wss.pem in /etc/freeswitch/certs
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Could someone edit https://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Webrtc to specify that the cert location wss.pem is controlled by the tls-cert-dir var? On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Michael Jerris <mike@jerris.com> wrote:
No, he has the dir specified, so it won't use the default.
On May 27, 2014, at 2:37 PM, Oleg Stolyar <olegstolyar@gmail.com> wrote:
Jamie, I believe you need to have the wss.pem file in /usr/loca/freeswitch/certs/ directory to avoid this problem.
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Jamie McClelland <jm@mayfirst.org> wrote:
Hi all - I'm very excited to see support for websockets in 1.4.4!
However, I'm having trouble getting wss working.
When I enable it, by adding the following to internal.xml:
<param name="wss-binding" value=":7443"/>
I get the following error when I reload mod_sofia:
2014-05-27 09:24:47.910948 [ERR] sofia.c:2778 Error Creating SIP UA for profile: internal (sip:mod_sofia@209.234.253.18:5060;transport=udp,tcp) The likely causes for this are: 1) Another application is already listening on the specified address. 2) The IP the profile is attempting to bind to is not local to this system.
When I comment out the wss line, the error goes away.
Strange... 209.234.253.18 is local to the machine, and I'm specifying 7443 as the wss bind IP, not 5060 (which is specified as the "sip_port" in the internal.xml file). If I change the sip_port to a different number, I get the error, but it specifies the new sip_port.
Also, accordig to lsof, port 7443 is not in use.
I have ws enabled without problems.
Here are the only differences between my sip_profile directory and the vanilla conf one:
0 paul:/etc/freeswitch# diff -ur /usr/share/freeswitch/conf/vanilla/sip_profiles/ /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/|less Only in /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/external: mfpl-voicepulse.xml diff -ur /usr/share/freeswitch/conf/vanilla/sip_profiles/internal.xml /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/internal.xml --- /usr/share/freeswitch/conf/vanilla/sip_profiles/internal.xml 2014-05-22 14:39:26.000000000 -0400 +++ /etc/freeswitch/sip_profiles/internal.xml 2014-05-27 09:29:29.000000000 -0400 @@ -196,7 +196,7 @@ <!-- Port to listen on for TLS requests. (5061 will be used if unspecified) --> <param name="tls-sip-port" value="$${internal_tls_port}"/> <!-- Location of the agent.pem and cafile.pem ssl certificates (needed for TLS server) --> - <!--<param name="tls-cert-dir" value=""/>--> + <param name="tls-cert-dir" value="/etc/freeswitch/certs"/> <!-- Optionally set the passphrase password used by openSSL to encrypt/decrypt TLS private key files --> <param name="tls-passphrase" value=""/> <!-- Verify the date on TLS certificates --> @@ -304,7 +304,7 @@
<!-- uncomment for sip over websocket support --> - <!--<param name="ws-binding" value=":5066"/>--> + <param name="ws-binding" value=":5066"/>
<!-- uncomment for sip over secure websocket support --> <!-- You need wss.pem in /usr/local/freeswitch/certs for wss -->
Any suggestions?
jamie
p.s. I do have wss.pem in /etc/freeswitch/certs
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Could someone edit https://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Webrtc to specify that the cert location wss.pem is controlled by the tls-cert-dir var?
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Michael Jerris <mike@jerris.com> wrote: No, he has the dir specified, so it won't use the default.
On Tue May 27, Brian West wrote:
https://jira.freeswitch.org/browse/DOCS
You could file a JIRA on the docs project now that the Wiki is read only we'll be moving this over to Confluence once I verify the steps and write up the docs.
I just tried to post a ticket to docs, but got this error: "Component/s" field is required and the project "Documentation" does not have any components. However ... the components field doesn't list any components for me to choose. jamie -- May First/People Link Growing networks to build a just world http://www.mayfirst.org https://support.mayfirst.org OpenPGP Key: http://current.workingdirectory.net/pages/identity/ xmpp: jamie@im.mayfirst.org
I fixed that, I have a Default component, I think we'll get a call together tomorrow after our weekly call to flush out our components to list. -- Brian West brian@freeswitch.org Twitter: @FreeSWITCH , @briankwest http://www.freeswitchbook.com http://www.freeswitchcookbook.com T: +1.918.420.9001 | F: +1.918.420.9002 | M: +1.918.424.WEST iNUM: +883 5100 1420 9001 ISN: 410*543 Skype:briankwest PGP Key: http://www.bkw.org/key.txt (AB93356707C76CED) On May 27, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Jamie McClelland <jm@mayfirst.org> wrote:
On Tue May 27, Brian West wrote:
https://jira.freeswitch.org/browse/DOCS
You could file a JIRA on the docs project now that the Wiki is read only we'll be moving this over to Confluence once I verify the steps and write up the docs.
I just tried to post a ticket to docs, but got this error:
"Component/s" field is required and the project "Documentation" does not have any components.
However ... the components field doesn't list any components for me to choose.
jamie
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I tried - the Documentation project does not have any components, so it won't let me create an issue. Here is what I wanted to put in the issue description: Please add the following info to the WebRTC wiki/confluence page: 1. <param name="tls-cert-dir" value=""/> controls the location of wss.pem file and overwrites the default /usr/local/freeswitch/certs/ 2. To test wss without a valid certificate, create a self-signed certificate in the wss.pem file. Then in your browser go to https://your.box:7443 and agree to the untrusted cert dialog. After that you should be able to open a secure websocket from your browser to this box. On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Brian West <brian@freeswitch.org> wrote:
https://jira.freeswitch.org/browse/DOCS
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On May 27, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Oleg Stolyar <olegstolyar@gmail.com> wrote:
Could someone edit https://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Webrtc to specify that the cert location wss.pem is controlled by the tls-cert-dir var?
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Michael Jerris <mike@jerris.com> wrote:
No, he has the dir specified, so it won't use the default.
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