hello everybody, i'm looking for small (24/48 ports) IP DSLAMs that inter-connects directly to FreeSwitch via IP. is this already available on the market? or do we still have to connect FreeSwitch via POTS splitters and FXS gateways? i appreciate if you can mention some brands/models. tks, nandy
Can you explain further what you are trying to do? A DSLAM is a device that provides DSL transport, which is independent of what you run across it. So normally, you have |Server | ----|network|----|DSLAM| --------[dsl line] -------[modem or modem/router combo]-----[network]---[Client] What the Server is (Could be Freeswitch) and what the Client is (could be a VOIP phone) are independent of the transport??? Onewire, Cisco, and others make some DSL Modem/Router combos with integrated Voip to FXS ports for the CPE end. If you find a DSLAM running one of the OSs that Freeswitch supports, you could compile Freeswitch for it, but I haven't seen one with enough CPU tp handle much besides the traffic. On Thursday 16 June 2011 19:03:50 Nandy Dagondon wrote:
hello everybody,
i'm looking for small (24/48 ports) IP DSLAMs that inter-connects directly to FreeSwitch via IP. is this already available on the market? or do we still have to connect FreeSwitch via POTS splitters and FXS gateways? i appreciate if you can mention some brands/models.
tks, nandy
this is MY take on what Nandy is after. A Dslam provides DSL on certain frequencies of the line.. ( some of ) the other frequencies are used for voice. my understanding is that sometimes this is split off to another device to provide the voice, but in this case Nandy is after a DSlam that will do the DSL part AND the voice frequencies ( Voice signalling / audio by SIP / RTP ) I guess this is a logical question and would be quite interesting to see if there are such devices.. sorry I dont know of any :( Jay On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Rob Hutton <justlikeef@gmail.com> wrote:
Can you explain further what you are trying to do? A DSLAM is a device that provides DSL transport, which is independent of what you run across it. So normally, you have
|Server | ----|network|----|DSLAM| --------[dsl line] -------[modem or modem/router combo]-----[network]---[Client]
What the Server is (Could be Freeswitch) and what the Client is (could be a VOIP phone) are independent of the transport??? Onewire, Cisco, and others make some DSL Modem/Router combos with integrated Voip to FXS ports for the CPE end.
If you find a DSLAM running one of the OSs that Freeswitch supports, you could compile Freeswitch for it, but I haven't seen one with enough CPU tp handle much besides the traffic.
On Thursday 16 June 2011 19:03:50 Nandy Dagondon wrote:
hello everybody,
i'm looking for small (24/48 ports) IP DSLAMs that inter-connects directly to FreeSwitch via IP. is this already available on the market? or do we still have to connect FreeSwitch via POTS splitters and FXS gateways? i appreciate if you can mention some brands/models.
tks, nandy
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hello guys! i'm trying to setup a small exchange w/ Internet service - of course, using FS as the exchange. DSLAMs connect to POTS via 2-wire splitters and that would require using FXS gateway (as what Rob mentioned). i'm trying to find out if there's a way we can omit the FXS - so it's FS-to-DSLAM direct via IP. i'm not sure if this setup is now possible on newer IP DSLAMs. On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:45 AM, jay binks <jaybinks@gmail.com> wrote:
this is MY take on what Nandy is after.
A Dslam provides DSL on certain frequencies of the line.. ( some of ) the other frequencies are used for voice.
my understanding is that sometimes this is split off to another device to provide the voice, but in this case Nandy is after a DSlam that will do the DSL part AND the voice frequencies ( Voice signalling / audio by SIP / RTP )
I guess this is a logical question and would be quite interesting to see if there are such devices.. sorry I dont know of any :(
Jay
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Rob Hutton <justlikeef@gmail.com> wrote:
Can you explain further what you are trying to do? A DSLAM is a device that provides DSL transport, which is independent of what you run across it. So normally, you have
|Server | ----|network|----|DSLAM| --------[dsl line] -------[modem or modem/router combo]-----[network]---[Client]
What the Server is (Could be Freeswitch) and what the Client is (could be a VOIP phone) are independent of the transport??? Onewire, Cisco, and others make some DSL Modem/Router combos with integrated Voip to FXS ports for the CPE end.
If you find a DSLAM running one of the OSs that Freeswitch supports, you could compile Freeswitch for it, but I haven't seen one with enough CPU tp handle much besides the traffic.
On Thursday 16 June 2011 19:03:50 Nandy Dagondon wrote:
hello everybody,
i'm looking for small (24/48 ports) IP DSLAMs that inter-connects directly to FreeSwitch via IP. is this already available on the market? or do we still have to connect FreeSwitch via POTS splitters and FXS gateways? i appreciate if you can mention some brands/models.
tks, nandy
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Which density are you looking for ? Is it for use in a private building or on public lines ? David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur. Le 17/06/2011 à 08:07, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
hello guys!
i'm trying to setup a small exchange w/ Internet service - of course, using FS as the exchange. DSLAMs connect to POTS via 2-wire splitters and that would require using FXS gateway (as what Rob mentioned).
i'm trying to find out if there's a way we can omit the FXS - so it's FS-to-DSLAM direct via IP. i'm not sure if this setup is now possible on newer IP DSLAMs.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:45 AM, jay binks <jaybinks@gmail.com> wrote: this is MY take on what Nandy is after.
A Dslam provides DSL on certain frequencies of the line.. ( some of ) the other frequencies are used for voice.
my understanding is that sometimes this is split off to another device to provide the voice, but in this case Nandy is after a DSlam that will do the DSL part AND the voice frequencies ( Voice signalling / audio by SIP / RTP )
I guess this is a logical question and would be quite interesting to see if there are such devices.. sorry I dont know of any :(
Jay
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Rob Hutton <justlikeef@gmail.com> wrote: Can you explain further what you are trying to do? A DSLAM is a device that provides DSL transport, which is independent of what you run across it. So normally, you have
|Server | ----|network|----|DSLAM| --------[dsl line] -------[modem or modem/router combo]-----[network]---[Client]
What the Server is (Could be Freeswitch) and what the Client is (could be a VOIP phone) are independent of the transport??? Onewire, Cisco, and others make some DSL Modem/Router combos with integrated Voip to FXS ports for the CPE end.
If you find a DSLAM running one of the OSs that Freeswitch supports, you could compile Freeswitch for it, but I haven't seen one with enough CPU tp handle much besides the traffic.
On Thursday 16 June 2011 19:03:50 Nandy Dagondon wrote:
hello everybody,
i'm looking for small (24/48 ports) IP DSLAMs that inter-connects directly to FreeSwitch via IP. is this already available on the market? or do we still have to connect FreeSwitch via POTS splitters and FXS gateways? i appreciate if you can mention some brands/models.
tks, nandy
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yes, without ATM layer and it's for public lines. On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr>wrote:
Which density are you looking for ? Is it for use in a private building or on public lines ?
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Le 17/06/2011 à 08:07, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
hello guys!
i'm trying to setup a small exchange w/ Internet service - of course, using FS as the exchange. DSLAMs connect to POTS via 2-wire splitters and that would require using FXS gateway (as what Rob mentioned).
i'm trying to find out if there's a way we can omit the FXS - so it's FS-to-DSLAM direct via IP. i'm not sure if this setup is now possible on newer IP DSLAMs.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:45 AM, jay binks <jaybinks@gmail.com> wrote:
this is MY take on what Nandy is after.
A Dslam provides DSL on certain frequencies of the line.. ( some of ) the other frequencies are used for voice.
my understanding is that sometimes this is split off to another device to provide the voice, but in this case Nandy is after a DSlam that will do the DSL part AND the voice frequencies ( Voice signalling / audio by SIP / RTP )
I guess this is a logical question and would be quite interesting to see if there are such devices.. sorry I dont know of any :(
Jay
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Rob Hutton <justlikeef@gmail.com>wrote:
Can you explain further what you are trying to do? A DSLAM is a device that provides DSL transport, which is independent of what you run across it. So normally, you have
|Server | ----|network|----|DSLAM| --------[dsl line] -------[modem or modem/router combo]-----[network]---[Client]
What the Server is (Could be Freeswitch) and what the Client is (could be a VOIP phone) are independent of the transport??? Onewire, Cisco, and others make some DSL Modem/Router combos with integrated Voip to FXS ports for the CPE end.
If you find a DSLAM running one of the OSs that Freeswitch supports, you could compile Freeswitch for it, but I haven't seen one with enough CPU tp handle much besides the traffic.
On Thursday 16 June 2011 19:03:50 Nandy Dagondon wrote:
hello everybody,
i'm looking for small (24/48 ports) IP DSLAMs that inter-connects directly to FreeSwitch via IP. is this already available on the market? or do we still have to connect FreeSwitch via POTS splitters and FXS gateways? i appreciate if you can mention some brands/models.
tks, nandy
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density - 24 or 48 lines only On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Nandy Dagondon <gcd@i.ph> wrote:
yes, without ATM layer and it's for public lines.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr>wrote:
Which density are you looking for ? Is it for use in a private building or on public lines ?
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Le 17/06/2011 à 08:07, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
hello guys!
i'm trying to setup a small exchange w/ Internet service - of course, using FS as the exchange. DSLAMs connect to POTS via 2-wire splitters and that would require using FXS gateway (as what Rob mentioned).
i'm trying to find out if there's a way we can omit the FXS - so it's FS-to-DSLAM direct via IP. i'm not sure if this setup is now possible on newer IP DSLAMs.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:45 AM, jay binks <jaybinks@gmail.com> wrote:
this is MY take on what Nandy is after.
A Dslam provides DSL on certain frequencies of the line.. ( some of ) the other frequencies are used for voice.
my understanding is that sometimes this is split off to another device to provide the voice, but in this case Nandy is after a DSlam that will do the DSL part AND the voice frequencies ( Voice signalling / audio by SIP / RTP )
I guess this is a logical question and would be quite interesting to see if there are such devices.. sorry I dont know of any :(
Jay
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Rob Hutton <justlikeef@gmail.com>wrote:
Can you explain further what you are trying to do? A DSLAM is a device that provides DSL transport, which is independent of what you run across it. So normally, you have
|Server | ----|network|----|DSLAM| --------[dsl line] -------[modem or modem/router combo]-----[network]---[Client]
What the Server is (Could be Freeswitch) and what the Client is (could be a VOIP phone) are independent of the transport??? Onewire, Cisco, and others make some DSL Modem/Router combos with integrated Voip to FXS ports for the CPE end.
If you find a DSLAM running one of the OSs that Freeswitch supports, you could compile Freeswitch for it, but I haven't seen one with enough CPU tp handle much besides the traffic.
On Thursday 16 June 2011 19:03:50 Nandy Dagondon wrote:
hello everybody,
i'm looking for small (24/48 ports) IP DSLAMs that inter-connects directly to FreeSwitch via IP. is this already available on the market? or do we still have to connect FreeSwitch via POTS splitters and FXS gateways? i appreciate if you can mention some brands/models.
tks, nandy
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Nandy, something does not add up. When you deploy DSLAMs for public lines, it's not for 24/48 ports, but rather for 20 000 to 30 000 ports. Perhaps there is a confusion about what is a public line. A public line is the 200 meters-8km pair of copper going from the local (legacy) telco facility to your house. You don't install your own DSLAMs for 24/48 ports, or perhaps you are in a very specific situation. I really doubt you will find a cost effective DSLAM for so few ports. Plus, you realize you will need to install on DSLAM in all the telco facilities required to get the coverage you need There are small DSLAMs on the market, but they are targeted for private lines (hospitality, health care, ...) and I really don't know if they can work on public lines. In case you actually need a small DSLAM just to run ADSL over a private pair of copper, you should have a look at: http://www.phybridge.com/uniphyer-ip-phones.aspx This thing does not call itself a DSLAM but it is one. They market that as a "switch" that enables LAN on your copper wires. It's a small lie for data usage as you only get 25Mbps/1.4Mbps (ATM), but for voice, that's enough. Basically, you put the "switch"-DSLAM in the network cabinet where the copper wires go, you connect the wires to it, you connect the ethernet port to your LAN (so your FS). In each room/office, you plug an adapter (provided also by Phybridge) which is basically a small ADSL modem (powered from the switch through the wire), from which you get an ethernet port, with POE on it! I like the solution on the paper, but never used. Because of the cost: a 24 ports switch is 3500$ one adapter is 122$ so a full 24 ports solution would be 6500$, which is not very competitive compared to recabling the place. But your mileage may vary. David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur. Le 17/06/2011 à 08:28, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
yes, without ATM layer and it's for public lines.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> wrote: Which density are you looking for ? Is it for use in a private building or on public lines ?
David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34
Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com
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Le 17/06/2011 à 08:07, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
hello guys!
i'm trying to setup a small exchange w/ Internet service - of course, using FS as the exchange. DSLAMs connect to POTS via 2-wire splitters and that would require using FXS gateway (as what Rob mentioned).
i'm trying to find out if there's a way we can omit the FXS - so it's FS-to-DSLAM direct via IP. i'm not sure if this setup is now possible on newer IP DSLAMs.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:45 AM, jay binks <jaybinks@gmail.com> wrote: this is MY take on what Nandy is after.
A Dslam provides DSL on certain frequencies of the line.. ( some of ) the other frequencies are used for voice.
my understanding is that sometimes this is split off to another device to provide the voice, but in this case Nandy is after a DSlam that will do the DSL part AND the voice frequencies ( Voice signalling / audio by SIP / RTP )
I guess this is a logical question and would be quite interesting to see if there are such devices.. sorry I dont know of any :(
Jay
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Rob Hutton <justlikeef@gmail.com> wrote: Can you explain further what you are trying to do? A DSLAM is a device that provides DSL transport, which is independent of what you run across it. So normally, you have
|Server | ----|network|----|DSLAM| --------[dsl line] -------[modem or modem/router combo]-----[network]---[Client]
What the Server is (Could be Freeswitch) and what the Client is (could be a VOIP phone) are independent of the transport??? Onewire, Cisco, and others make some DSL Modem/Router combos with integrated Voip to FXS ports for the CPE end.
If you find a DSLAM running one of the OSs that Freeswitch supports, you could compile Freeswitch for it, but I haven't seen one with enough CPU tp handle much besides the traffic.
On Thursday 16 June 2011 19:03:50 Nandy Dagondon wrote:
hello everybody,
i'm looking for small (24/48 ports) IP DSLAMs that inter-connects directly to FreeSwitch via IP. is this already available on the market? or do we still have to connect FreeSwitch via POTS splitters and FXS gateways? i appreciate if you can mention some brands/models.
tks, nandy
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yes, it doesn't add up because the application is in a rural area. the Phybridge is a good solution except for the price. thanks David. however, the MSAN, perfectly describes what i'm looking - hopefully the investment is lower. thanks to all who contributed. On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:37 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr>wrote:
Nandy,
something does not add up. When you deploy DSLAMs for public lines, it's not for 24/48 ports, but rather for 20 000 to 30 000 ports. Perhaps there is a confusion about what is a public line. A public line is the 200 meters-8km pair of copper going from the local (legacy) telco facility to your house. You don't install your own DSLAMs for 24/48 ports, or perhaps you are in a very specific situation. I really doubt you will find a cost effective DSLAM for so few ports. Plus, you realize you will need to install on DSLAM in all the telco facilities required to get the coverage you need
There are small DSLAMs on the market, but they are targeted for private lines (hospitality, health care, ...) and I really don't know if they can work on public lines.
In case you actually need a small DSLAM just to run ADSL over a private pair of copper, you should have a look at:
http://www.phybridge.com/uniphyer-ip-phones.aspx
This thing does not call itself a DSLAM but it is one. They market that as a "switch" that enables LAN on your copper wires. It's a small lie for data usage as you only get 25Mbps/1.4Mbps (ATM), but for voice, that's enough. Basically, you put the "switch"-DSLAM in the network cabinet where the copper wires go, you connect the wires to it, you connect the ethernet port to your LAN (so your FS). In each room/office, you plug an adapter (provided also by Phybridge) which is basically a small ADSL modem (powered from the switch through the wire), from which you get an ethernet port, with POE on it!
I like the solution on the paper, but never used. Because of the cost: a 24 ports switch is 3500$ one adapter is 122$
so a full 24 ports solution would be 6500$, which is not very competitive compared to recabling the place.
But your mileage may vary.
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Le 17/06/2011 à 08:28, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
yes, without ATM layer and it's for public lines.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr>wrote:
Which density are you looking for ? Is it for use in a private building or on public lines ?
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Le 17/06/2011 à 08:07, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
hello guys!
i'm trying to setup a small exchange w/ Internet service - of course, using FS as the exchange. DSLAMs connect to POTS via 2-wire splitters and that would require using FXS gateway (as what Rob mentioned).
i'm trying to find out if there's a way we can omit the FXS - so it's FS-to-DSLAM direct via IP. i'm not sure if this setup is now possible on newer IP DSLAMs.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:45 AM, jay binks <jaybinks@gmail.com> wrote:
this is MY take on what Nandy is after.
A Dslam provides DSL on certain frequencies of the line.. ( some of ) the other frequencies are used for voice.
my understanding is that sometimes this is split off to another device to provide the voice, but in this case Nandy is after a DSlam that will do the DSL part AND the voice frequencies ( Voice signalling / audio by SIP / RTP )
I guess this is a logical question and would be quite interesting to see if there are such devices.. sorry I dont know of any :(
Jay
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Rob Hutton <justlikeef@gmail.com>wrote:
Can you explain further what you are trying to do? A DSLAM is a device that provides DSL transport, which is independent of what you run across it. So normally, you have
|Server | ----|network|----|DSLAM| --------[dsl line] -------[modem or modem/router combo]-----[network]---[Client]
What the Server is (Could be Freeswitch) and what the Client is (could be a VOIP phone) are independent of the transport??? Onewire, Cisco, and others make some DSL Modem/Router combos with integrated Voip to FXS ports for the CPE end.
If you find a DSLAM running one of the OSs that Freeswitch supports, you could compile Freeswitch for it, but I haven't seen one with enough CPU tp handle much besides the traffic.
On Thursday 16 June 2011 19:03:50 Nandy Dagondon wrote:
hello everybody,
i'm looking for small (24/48 ports) IP DSLAMs that inter-connects directly to FreeSwitch via IP. is this already available on the market? or do we still have to connect FreeSwitch via POTS splitters and FXS gateways? i appreciate if you can mention some brands/models.
tks, nandy
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Hmmm unlikely I think. The Zhone box for instance seems to be around 11,000$. David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur. Le 17/06/2011 à 10:25, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
yes, it doesn't add up because the application is in a rural area. the Phybridge is a good solution except for the price. thanks David. however, the MSAN, perfectly describes what i'm looking - hopefully the investment is lower.
thanks to all who contributed.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:37 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> wrote: Nandy,
something does not add up. When you deploy DSLAMs for public lines, it's not for 24/48 ports, but rather for 20 000 to 30 000 ports. Perhaps there is a confusion about what is a public line. A public line is the 200 meters-8km pair of copper going from the local (legacy) telco facility to your house. You don't install your own DSLAMs for 24/48 ports, or perhaps you are in a very specific situation. I really doubt you will find a cost effective DSLAM for so few ports. Plus, you realize you will need to install on DSLAM in all the telco facilities required to get the coverage you need
There are small DSLAMs on the market, but they are targeted for private lines (hospitality, health care, ...) and I really don't know if they can work on public lines.
In case you actually need a small DSLAM just to run ADSL over a private pair of copper, you should have a look at:
http://www.phybridge.com/uniphyer-ip-phones.aspx
This thing does not call itself a DSLAM but it is one. They market that as a "switch" that enables LAN on your copper wires. It's a small lie for data usage as you only get 25Mbps/1.4Mbps (ATM), but for voice, that's enough. Basically, you put the "switch"-DSLAM in the network cabinet where the copper wires go, you connect the wires to it, you connect the ethernet port to your LAN (so your FS). In each room/office, you plug an adapter (provided also by Phybridge) which is basically a small ADSL modem (powered from the switch through the wire), from which you get an ethernet port, with POE on it!
I like the solution on the paper, but never used. Because of the cost: a 24 ports switch is 3500$ one adapter is 122$
so a full 24 ports solution would be 6500$, which is not very competitive compared to recabling the place.
But your mileage may vary.
David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34
Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com
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Le 17/06/2011 à 08:28, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
yes, without ATM layer and it's for public lines.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> wrote: Which density are you looking for ? Is it for use in a private building or on public lines ?
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Le 17/06/2011 à 08:07, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
hello guys!
i'm trying to setup a small exchange w/ Internet service - of course, using FS as the exchange. DSLAMs connect to POTS via 2-wire splitters and that would require using FXS gateway (as what Rob mentioned).
i'm trying to find out if there's a way we can omit the FXS - so it's FS-to-DSLAM direct via IP. i'm not sure if this setup is now possible on newer IP DSLAMs.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:45 AM, jay binks <jaybinks@gmail.com> wrote: this is MY take on what Nandy is after.
A Dslam provides DSL on certain frequencies of the line.. ( some of ) the other frequencies are used for voice.
my understanding is that sometimes this is split off to another device to provide the voice, but in this case Nandy is after a DSlam that will do the DSL part AND the voice frequencies ( Voice signalling / audio by SIP / RTP )
I guess this is a logical question and would be quite interesting to see if there are such devices.. sorry I dont know of any :(
Jay
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Rob Hutton <justlikeef@gmail.com> wrote: Can you explain further what you are trying to do? A DSLAM is a device that provides DSL transport, which is independent of what you run across it. So normally, you have
|Server | ----|network|----|DSLAM| --------[dsl line] -------[modem or modem/router combo]-----[network]---[Client]
What the Server is (Could be Freeswitch) and what the Client is (could be a VOIP phone) are independent of the transport??? Onewire, Cisco, and others make some DSL Modem/Router combos with integrated Voip to FXS ports for the CPE end.
If you find a DSLAM running one of the OSs that Freeswitch supports, you could compile Freeswitch for it, but I haven't seen one with enough CPU tp handle much besides the traffic.
On Thursday 16 June 2011 19:03:50 Nandy Dagondon wrote:
hello everybody,
i'm looking for small (24/48 ports) IP DSLAMs that inter-connects directly to FreeSwitch via IP. is this already available on the market? or do we still have to connect FreeSwitch via POTS splitters and FXS gateways? i appreciate if you can mention some brands/models.
tks, nandy
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huh ... that's quiet pricey. perhaps an IP DSLAM + FXS would be a cheaper setup. in rural areas, many are still dinosaurs. On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:29 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr>wrote:
Hmmm unlikely I think. The Zhone box for instance seems to be around 11,000$.
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Le 17/06/2011 à 10:25, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
yes, it doesn't add up because the application is in a rural area. the Phybridge is a good solution except for the price. thanks David. however, the MSAN, perfectly describes what i'm looking - hopefully the investment is lower.
thanks to all who contributed.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:37 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr>wrote:
Nandy,
something does not add up. When you deploy DSLAMs for public lines, it's not for 24/48 ports, but rather for 20 000 to 30 000 ports. Perhaps there is a confusion about what is a public line. A public line is the 200 meters-8km pair of copper going from the local (legacy) telco facility to your house. You don't install your own DSLAMs for 24/48 ports, or perhaps you are in a very specific situation. I really doubt you will find a cost effective DSLAM for so few ports. Plus, you realize you will need to install on DSLAM in all the telco facilities required to get the coverage you need
There are small DSLAMs on the market, but they are targeted for private lines (hospitality, health care, ...) and I really don't know if they can work on public lines.
In case you actually need a small DSLAM just to run ADSL over a private pair of copper, you should have a look at:
http://www.phybridge.com/uniphyer-ip-phones.aspx
This thing does not call itself a DSLAM but it is one. They market that as a "switch" that enables LAN on your copper wires. It's a small lie for data usage as you only get 25Mbps/1.4Mbps (ATM), but for voice, that's enough. Basically, you put the "switch"-DSLAM in the network cabinet where the copper wires go, you connect the wires to it, you connect the ethernet port to your LAN (so your FS). In each room/office, you plug an adapter (provided also by Phybridge) which is basically a small ADSL modem (powered from the switch through the wire), from which you get an ethernet port, with POE on it!
I like the solution on the paper, but never used. Because of the cost: a 24 ports switch is 3500$ one adapter is 122$
so a full 24 ports solution would be 6500$, which is not very competitive compared to recabling the place.
But your mileage may vary.
David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34
Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com
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Le 17/06/2011 à 08:28, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
yes, without ATM layer and it's for public lines.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr>wrote:
Which density are you looking for ? Is it for use in a private building or on public lines ?
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Le 17/06/2011 à 08:07, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
hello guys!
i'm trying to setup a small exchange w/ Internet service - of course, using FS as the exchange. DSLAMs connect to POTS via 2-wire splitters and that would require using FXS gateway (as what Rob mentioned).
i'm trying to find out if there's a way we can omit the FXS - so it's FS-to-DSLAM direct via IP. i'm not sure if this setup is now possible on newer IP DSLAMs.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:45 AM, jay binks <jaybinks@gmail.com> wrote:
this is MY take on what Nandy is after.
A Dslam provides DSL on certain frequencies of the line.. ( some of ) the other frequencies are used for voice.
my understanding is that sometimes this is split off to another device to provide the voice, but in this case Nandy is after a DSlam that will do the DSL part AND the voice frequencies ( Voice signalling / audio by SIP / RTP )
I guess this is a logical question and would be quite interesting to see if there are such devices.. sorry I dont know of any :(
Jay
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Rob Hutton <justlikeef@gmail.com>wrote:
Can you explain further what you are trying to do? A DSLAM is a device that provides DSL transport, which is independent of what you run across it. So normally, you have
|Server | ----|network|----|DSLAM| --------[dsl line] -------[modem or modem/router combo]-----[network]---[Client]
What the Server is (Could be Freeswitch) and what the Client is (could be a VOIP phone) are independent of the transport??? Onewire, Cisco, and others make some DSL Modem/Router combos with integrated Voip to FXS ports for the CPE end.
If you find a DSLAM running one of the OSs that Freeswitch supports, you could compile Freeswitch for it, but I haven't seen one with enough CPU tp handle much besides the traffic.
On Thursday 16 June 2011 19:03:50 Nandy Dagondon wrote:
hello everybody,
i'm looking for small (24/48 ports) IP DSLAMs that inter-connects directly to FreeSwitch via IP. is this already available on the market? or do we still have to connect FreeSwitch via POTS splitters and FXS gateways? i appreciate if you can mention some brands/models.
tks, nandy
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Probably just check what distance your FXS solution will support. I've heard a number of them do not support long distances commonly found on outdoor style plant (they're more intended for in-building). Brent On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Nandy Dagondon <gcd@i.ph> wrote:
huh ... that's quiet pricey. perhaps an IP DSLAM + FXS would be a cheaper setup. in rural areas, many are still dinosaurs.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:29 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr>wrote:
Hmmm unlikely I think. The Zhone box for instance seems to be around 11,000$.
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Le 17/06/2011 à 10:25, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
yes, it doesn't add up because the application is in a rural area. the Phybridge is a good solution except for the price. thanks David. however, the MSAN, perfectly describes what i'm looking - hopefully the investment is lower.
thanks to all who contributed.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:37 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr>wrote:
Nandy,
something does not add up. When you deploy DSLAMs for public lines, it's not for 24/48 ports, but rather for 20 000 to 30 000 ports. Perhaps there is a confusion about what is a public line. A public line is the 200 meters-8km pair of copper going from the local (legacy) telco facility to your house. You don't install your own DSLAMs for 24/48 ports, or perhaps you are in a very specific situation. I really doubt you will find a cost effective DSLAM for so few ports. Plus, you realize you will need to install on DSLAM in all the telco facilities required to get the coverage you need
There are small DSLAMs on the market, but they are targeted for private lines (hospitality, health care, ...) and I really don't know if they can work on public lines.
In case you actually need a small DSLAM just to run ADSL over a private pair of copper, you should have a look at:
http://www.phybridge.com/uniphyer-ip-phones.aspx
This thing does not call itself a DSLAM but it is one. They market that as a "switch" that enables LAN on your copper wires. It's a small lie for data usage as you only get 25Mbps/1.4Mbps (ATM), but for voice, that's enough. Basically, you put the "switch"-DSLAM in the network cabinet where the copper wires go, you connect the wires to it, you connect the ethernet port to your LAN (so your FS). In each room/office, you plug an adapter (provided also by Phybridge) which is basically a small ADSL modem (powered from the switch through the wire), from which you get an ethernet port, with POE on it!
I like the solution on the paper, but never used. Because of the cost: a 24 ports switch is 3500$ one adapter is 122$
so a full 24 ports solution would be 6500$, which is not very competitive compared to recabling the place.
But your mileage may vary.
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Le 17/06/2011 à 08:28, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
yes, without ATM layer and it's for public lines.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr>wrote:
Which density are you looking for ? Is it for use in a private building or on public lines ?
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Le 17/06/2011 à 08:07, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
hello guys!
i'm trying to setup a small exchange w/ Internet service - of course, using FS as the exchange. DSLAMs connect to POTS via 2-wire splitters and that would require using FXS gateway (as what Rob mentioned).
i'm trying to find out if there's a way we can omit the FXS - so it's FS-to-DSLAM direct via IP. i'm not sure if this setup is now possible on newer IP DSLAMs.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:45 AM, jay binks <jaybinks@gmail.com> wrote:
this is MY take on what Nandy is after.
A Dslam provides DSL on certain frequencies of the line.. ( some of ) the other frequencies are used for voice.
my understanding is that sometimes this is split off to another device to provide the voice, but in this case Nandy is after a DSlam that will do the DSL part AND the voice frequencies ( Voice signalling / audio by SIP / RTP )
I guess this is a logical question and would be quite interesting to see if there are such devices.. sorry I dont know of any :(
Jay
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Rob Hutton <justlikeef@gmail.com>wrote:
Can you explain further what you are trying to do? A DSLAM is a device that provides DSL transport, which is independent of what you run across it. So normally, you have
|Server | ----|network|----|DSLAM| --------[dsl line] -------[modem or modem/router combo]-----[network]---[Client]
What the Server is (Could be Freeswitch) and what the Client is (could be a VOIP phone) are independent of the transport??? Onewire, Cisco, and others make some DSL Modem/Router combos with integrated Voip to FXS ports for the CPE end.
If you find a DSLAM running one of the OSs that Freeswitch supports, you could compile Freeswitch for it, but I haven't seen one with enough CPU tp handle much besides the traffic.
On Thursday 16 June 2011 19:03:50 Nandy Dagondon wrote: > hello everybody, > > i'm looking for small (24/48 ports) IP DSLAMs that inter-connects directly > to FreeSwitch via IP. is this already available on the market? or do we > still have to connect FreeSwitch via POTS splitters and FXS gateways? i > appreciate if you can mention some brands/models. > > tks, > nandy
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On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Nandy Dagondon <gcd@i.ph> wrote:
huh ... that's quiet pricey. perhaps an IP DSLAM + FXS would be a cheaper setup. in rural areas, many are still dinosaurs.
Not a clue about price, but Zyxel and Draytek make some "small" DSLAM/MSAN units, Draytek also make some DSL routers with integrated FXS ports, note sure if they would interop with Freswitch...
Draytek gear is crap like hell. Stay away from that. The support is crap too. David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur. Le 17/06/2011 à 20:12, shouldbe q931 a écrit :
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Nandy Dagondon <gcd@i.ph> wrote:
huh ... that's quiet pricey. perhaps an IP DSLAM + FXS would be a cheaper setup. in rural areas, many are still dinosaurs.
Not a clue about price, but Zyxel and Draytek make some "small" DSLAM/MSAN units, Draytek also make some DSL routers with integrated FXS ports, note sure if they would interop with Freswitch...
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On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:16 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> wrote:
Draytek gear is crap like hell. Stay away from that. The support is crap too. David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.
granted I have no experience with their "telco" side equipment, but I've not had any problems with their DSL and Ethernet routers, I've used them for several commercial deployments where the client didn't want the expense of Cisco... the other side of the coin being that I've not needed much in the way of support, but when I have it's been from their main UK reseller which has been fine.
well, my guess is that he wants a SIP based MSAN with additional FXS ports on ADSL/VDSL CPEs. something like this: ---voice---- FS -----SIP---- MSAN ---DSL line---SPL -----low band---------POTS line (FXS) | | ---data-----------------------+ +-------high band--------ADSL/VDSL2 Modem W FXS ports (SIP) anyhow, here everything registers to a FS (MSAN POTS line, FXS ports on the ADSL modem). FS is in charge to do voice routing, while the data traffic goes via VLANs to a data network in order to achieve service separation and an decent level of QoS. Port density is not an issue here as small density is mainly used for shopping centers, not residential. anyhow, i've been working with Huawei MSANs, ZTE MSANs, Zyxel, Siemens. All of them support H.248 by default... even the micro ones (16 ports from Zyxel). For the SIP protocol you need to ask a different firmware but its feasible... they do have it. in terms of density: Huawei UA5000 - 660 ports (combo xDSL + POTS), it spoortst ISDN BRI/PRI , G.SHDSL ... all sort of things but we are using it for ADSL/VDSL + POTS Huawei MA500 - 48 ports (same as above) ZTE ZXDSL 9806H - 64 ports (best buy) ... supports AC or DC power supply in the same time. Zyxel - 48 ports ( don't try this at home :P ) Siemens - 48 ( T.30 fax not working well) T. On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 5:27 PM, shouldbe q931 <shouldbeq931@gmail.com>wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:16 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> wrote:
Draytek gear is crap like hell. Stay away from that. The support is crap too. David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.
granted I have no experience with their "telco" side equipment, but I've not had any problems with their DSL and Ethernet routers, I've used them for several commercial deployments where the client didn't want the expense of Cisco...
the other side of the coin being that I've not needed much in the way of support, but when I have it's been from their main UK reseller which has been fine.
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As for ADSL/VDSL CPE with FXS ports ... as someone said ... $40 - $300 depending of what is your setup. Whether you need VLAN tagging on the LAN side, multiple PVCs, VLAN rewriting, IGMP, multiple bridges .. etc All sort of additional features brings you 1 step towards that $300 mark :=) my advice to you is to make it simple ... don't complicate things, don't ask too much from vendor... Initially you need to present him/them with your network topology and the services you need to run on that CPE. They will come back to you with the information whether they can or cannot do it ... once they accept it ... make them work on the setup... just provide them the lines. good luck. T. On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Tihomir Culjaga <tculjaga@gmail.com> wrote:
well, my guess is that he wants a SIP based MSAN with additional FXS ports on ADSL/VDSL CPEs.
something like this:
---voice---- FS -----SIP---- MSAN ---DSL line---SPL -----low band---------POTS line (FXS) | | ---data-----------------------+ +-------high band--------ADSL/VDSL2 Modem W FXS ports (SIP)
anyhow, here everything registers to a FS (MSAN POTS line, FXS ports on the ADSL modem). FS is in charge to do voice routing, while the data traffic goes via VLANs to a data network in order to achieve service separation and an decent level of QoS. Port density is not an issue here as small density is mainly used for shopping centers, not residential.
anyhow, i've been working with Huawei MSANs, ZTE MSANs, Zyxel, Siemens. All of them support H.248 by default... even the micro ones (16 ports from Zyxel). For the SIP protocol you need to ask a different firmware but its feasible... they do have it.
in terms of density:
Huawei UA5000 - 660 ports (combo xDSL + POTS), it spoortst ISDN BRI/PRI , G.SHDSL ... all sort of things but we are using it for ADSL/VDSL + POTS Huawei MA500 - 48 ports (same as above) ZTE ZXDSL 9806H - 64 ports (best buy) ... supports AC or DC power supply in the same time. Zyxel - 48 ports ( don't try this at home :P ) Siemens - 48 ( T.30 fax not working well)
T.
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On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:16 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> wrote:
Draytek gear is crap like hell. Stay away from that. The support is crap too. David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.
granted I have no experience with their "telco" side equipment, but I've not had any problems with their DSL and Ethernet routers, I've used them for several commercial deployments where the client didn't want the expense of Cisco...
the other side of the coin being that I've not needed much in the way of support, but when I have it's been from their main UK reseller which has been fine.
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On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:16 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> wrote:
Draytek gear is crap like hell. Stay away from that. The support is crap too. David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.
granted I have no experience with their "telco" side equipment, but I've not had any problems with their DSL and Ethernet routers, I've used them for several commercial deployments where the client didn't want the expense of Cisco...
the other side of the coin being that I've not needed much in the way of support, but when I have it's been from their main UK reseller which has been fine.
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Hello shouldbe q931, Am 2011-06-18 18:31:12, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
2011/6/18 David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr>:
I found bugs in the NAT layer of the Vigor 2820 that I prefer not to tell you about....
Is this a security issue, or a breaks protocol x issue ?
The Vigors can be transformed into a BOTs and Zombies. Hijacking Vigors from the Internet is easy! The problem is known since last years and nothing has changed. Not a singel firmware upgrade which solv this problem, even if they claim, they are working on it. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- ##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ###################### Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France itsystems@tdnet Owner Michelle Konzack Owner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) Gewerbe Straße 3 50, rue de Soultz 77694 Kehl/Germany 67100 Strasbourg/France Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-176-86004575 office <http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/> <http://www.flexray4linux.org/> <http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/> <http://www.can4linux.org/> Jabber linux4michelle@jabber.ccc.de ICQ #328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> wrote:
Hello shouldbe q931,
Am 2011-06-18 18:31:12, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
2011/6/18 David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr>:
I found bugs in the NAT layer of the Vigor 2820 that I prefer not to tell you about....
Is this a security issue, or a breaks protocol x issue ?
The Vigors can be transformed into a BOTs and Zombies. Hijacking Vigors from the Internet is easy!
The problem is known since last years and nothing has changed. Not a singel firmware upgrade which solv this problem, even if they claim, they are working on it.
Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack
Got a link to something/anything that discusses this ? Cheers
Let's say a weird way to do NAT. To make it short, the algorithm to compute the external source port of a connection was statically computed from source IP and source port (no randomization of any kind). So basically, if you had a packet coming from internal IP:port and one coming from internal IP+1:port-1, both were using the same outside port.... You can imagine the result of that with RTP and its systematic RTCP flow using the same port+1. We had no to number the IP Phones using consecutive IP addresses... The issue is I had trouble to convince the support that was very wrong. David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur. Le 18/06/2011 à 18:31, shouldbe q931 a écrit :
2011/6/18 David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr>:
I found bugs in the NAT layer of the Vigor 2820 that I prefer not to tell you about....
Is this a security issue, or a breaks protocol x issue ?
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Zhone MALC-XP are nowhere near $11k. They are < $100/port ----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ponzone" <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> To: "FreeSWITCH Users Help" <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 5:29:48 AM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] VoIP IP DSLAMs
Hmmm unlikely I think. The Zhone box for instance seems to be around 11,000$.
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Le 17/06/2011 à 10:25, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
yes, it doesn't add up because the application is in a rural area. the Phybridge is a good solution except for the price. thanks David. however, the MSAN, perfectly describes what i'm looking - hopefully the investment is lower.
thanks to all who contributed.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:37 PM, David Ponzone < david.ponzone@ipeva.fr > wrote:
Nandy,
something does not add up.
When you deploy DSLAMs for public lines, it's not for 24/48 ports, but rather for 20 000 to 30 000 ports.
Perhaps there is a confusion about what is a public line.
A public line is the 200 meters-8km pair of copper going from the local (legacy) telco facility to your house.
You don't install your own DSLAMs for 24/48 ports, or perhaps you are in a very specific situation.
I really doubt you will find a cost effective DSLAM for so few ports.
Plus, you realize you will need to install on DSLAM in all the telco facilities required to get the coverage you need
There are small DSLAMs on the market, but they are targeted for private lines (hospitality, health care, ...) and I really don't know if they can work on public lines.
In case you actually need a small DSLAM just to run ADSL over a private pair of copper, you should have a look at:
This thing does not call itself a DSLAM but it is one.
They market that as a "switch" that enables LAN on your copper wires.
It's a small lie for data usage as you only get 25Mbps/1.4Mbps (ATM), but for voice, that's enough.
Basically, you put the "switch"-DSLAM in the network cabinet where the copper wires go, you connect the wires to it, you connect the ethernet port to your LAN (so your FS). In each room/office, you plug an adapter (provided also by Phybridge) which is basically a small ADSL modem (powered from the switch through the wire), from which you get an ethernet port, with POE on it!
I like the solution on the paper, but never used. Because of the cost:
a 24 ports switch is 3500$
one adapter is 122$
so a full 24 ports solution would be 6500$, which is not very competitive compared to recabling the place.
But your mileage may vary.
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Le 17/06/2011 à 08:28, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
yes, without ATM layer and it's for public lines.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM, David Ponzone < david.ponzone@ipeva.fr > wrote:
Which density are you looking for ?
Is it for use in a private building or on public lines ?
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Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.
Le 17/06/2011 à 08:07, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
hello guys!
i'm trying to setup a small exchange w/ Internet service - of course, using FS as the exchange. DSLAMs connect to POTS via 2-wire splitters and that would require using FXS gateway (as what Rob mentioned).
i'm trying to find out if there's a way we can omit the FXS - so it's FS-to-DSLAM direct via IP. i'm not sure if this setup is now possible on newer IP DSLAMs.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:45 AM, jay binks < jaybinks@gmail.com > wrote:
> this is MY take on what Nandy is after.
> A Dslam provides DSL on certain frequencies of the line..
> ( some of ) the other frequencies are used for voice.
> my understanding is that sometimes this is split off to > another > device to provide the voice,
> but in this case Nandy is after a DSlam that will do the > DSL > part > AND > the voice frequencies ( Voice signalling / audio by SIP / > RTP > )
> I guess this is a logical question and would be quite > interesting > to > see if there are such devices..
> sorry I dont know of any :(
> Jay
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Rob Hutton < > justlikeef@gmail.com > > > wrote:
> > Can you explain further what you are trying to do? A > > DSLAM > > is > > a > > device that provides DSL transport, which is > > independent > > of > > what > > you > > run across it. So normally, you have >
> > |Server | ----|network|----|DSLAM| --------[dsl line] > > |-------[modem > > |or modem/router combo]-----[network]---[Client] >
> > What the Server is (Could be Freeswitch) and what the > > Client > > is > > (could be a VOIP phone) are independent of the > > transport??? > > Onewire, > > Cisco, and others make some DSL Modem/Router combos > > with > > integrated > > Voip to FXS ports for the CPE end. >
> > If you find a DSLAM running one of the OSs that > > Freeswitch > > supports, > > you could compile Freeswitch for it, but I haven't seen > > one > > with > > enough CPU tp handle much besides the traffic. >
> > On Thursday 16 June 2011 19:03:50 Nandy Dagondon wrote: >
> > > hello everybody, >
> > > >
> > > i'm looking for small (24/48 ports) IP DSLAMs that > > > inter-connects > > > directly >
> > > to FreeSwitch via IP. is this already available on > > > the > > > market? > > > or > > > do we >
> > > still have to connect FreeSwitch via POTS splitters > > > and > > > FXS > > > gateways? i >
> > > appreciate if you can mention some brands/models. >
> > > >
> > > tks, >
> > > nandy >
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zyxel have what you ask. Huawei have better pricing (~20$ per port) but huawei wants to sell huge amounts and quality is somehow bad. Zyxel is quite good (did not try ZyXEL Voip features, only ADSL) but ADSL is good and reliable, but more expensive per port. There are options for 12/24/48 and modular 300+ ports 2011/6/20 Matthew S. Crocker <matthew@corp.crocker.com>:
Zhone MALC-XP are nowhere near $11k. They are < $100/port
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From: "David Ponzone" <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> To: "FreeSWITCH Users Help" <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 5:29:48 AM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] VoIP IP DSLAMs
Hmmm unlikely I think. The Zhone box for instance seems to be around 11,000$. David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.
Le 17/06/2011 à 10:25, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
yes, it doesn't add up because the application is in a rural area. the Phybridge is a good solution except for the price. thanks David. however, the MSAN, perfectly describes what i'm looking - hopefully the investment is lower. thanks to all who contributed.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:37 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> wrote:
Nandy, something does not add up. When you deploy DSLAMs for public lines, it's not for 24/48 ports, but rather for 20 000 to 30 000 ports. Perhaps there is a confusion about what is a public line. A public line is the 200 meters-8km pair of copper going from the local (legacy) telco facility to your house. You don't install your own DSLAMs for 24/48 ports, or perhaps you are in a very specific situation. I really doubt you will find a cost effective DSLAM for so few ports. Plus, you realize you will need to install on DSLAM in all the telco facilities required to get the coverage you need There are small DSLAMs on the market, but they are targeted for private lines (hospitality, health care, ...) and I really don't know if they can work on public lines. In case you actually need a small DSLAM just to run ADSL over a private pair of copper, you should have a look at: http://www.phybridge.com/uniphyer-ip-phones.aspx This thing does not call itself a DSLAM but it is one. They market that as a "switch" that enables LAN on your copper wires. It's a small lie for data usage as you only get 25Mbps/1.4Mbps (ATM), but for voice, that's enough. Basically, you put the "switch"-DSLAM in the network cabinet where the copper wires go, you connect the wires to it, you connect the ethernet port to your LAN (so your FS). In each room/office, you plug an adapter (provided also by Phybridge) which is basically a small ADSL modem (powered from the switch through the wire), from which you get an ethernet port, with POE on it! I like the solution on the paper, but never used. Because of the cost: a 24 ports switch is 3500$ one adapter is 122$ so a full 24 ports solution would be 6500$, which is not very competitive compared to recabling the place. But your mileage may vary. David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.
Le 17/06/2011 à 08:28, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
yes, without ATM layer and it's for public lines.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> wrote:
Which density are you looking for ? Is it for use in a private building or on public lines ? David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.
Le 17/06/2011 à 08:07, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
hello guys!
i'm trying to setup a small exchange w/ Internet service - of course, using FS as the exchange. DSLAMs connect to POTS via 2-wire splitters and that would require using FXS gateway (as what Rob mentioned).
i'm trying to find out if there's a way we can omit the FXS - so it's FS-to-DSLAM direct via IP. i'm not sure if this setup is now possible on newer IP DSLAMs.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:45 AM, jay binks <jaybinks@gmail.com> wrote:
this is MY take on what Nandy is after. A Dslam provides DSL on certain frequencies of the line.. ( some of ) the other frequencies are used for voice. my understanding is that sometimes this is split off to another device to provide the voice, but in this case Nandy is after a DSlam that will do the DSL part AND the voice frequencies ( Voice signalling / audio by SIP / RTP ) I guess this is a logical question and would be quite interesting to see if there are such devices.. sorry I dont know of any :( Jay
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Rob Hutton <justlikeef@gmail.com> wrote:
Can you explain further what you are trying to do? A DSLAM is a device that provides DSL transport, which is independent of what you run across it. So normally, you have
|Server | ----|network|----|DSLAM| --------[dsl line] -------[modem or modem/router combo]-----[network]---[Client]
What the Server is (Could be Freeswitch) and what the Client is (could be a VOIP phone) are independent of the transport??? Onewire, Cisco, and others make some DSL Modem/Router combos with integrated Voip to FXS ports for the CPE end.
If you find a DSLAM running one of the OSs that Freeswitch supports, you could compile Freeswitch for it, but I haven't seen one with enough CPU tp handle much besides the traffic.
On Thursday 16 June 2011 19:03:50 Nandy Dagondon wrote:
hello everybody,
i'm looking for small (24/48 ports) IP DSLAMs that inter-connects directly to FreeSwitch via IP. is this already available on the market? or do we still have to connect FreeSwitch via POTS splitters and FXS gateways? i appreciate if you can mention some brands/models.
tks, nandy
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On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 22:21, Anton VG <anton.vazir@gmail.com> wrote:
zyxel have what you ask. Huawei have better pricing (~20$ per port) but huawei wants to sell huge amounts and quality is somehow bad.
Zyxel is quite good (did not try ZyXEL Voip features, only ADSL) but ADSL is good and reliable, but more expensive per port. There are options for 12/24/48 and modular 300+ ports
2011/6/20 Matthew S. Crocker <matthew@corp.crocker.com>:
Zhone MALC-XP are nowhere near $11k. They are < $100/port
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From: "David Ponzone" <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> To: "FreeSWITCH Users Help" <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 5:29:48 AM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] VoIP IP DSLAMs
Hmmm unlikely I think. The Zhone box for instance seems to be around 11,000$. David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou
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non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.
Le 17/06/2011 à 10:25, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
yes, it doesn't add up because the application is in a rural area. the Phybridge is a good solution except for the price. thanks David. however, the MSAN, perfectly describes what i'm looking - hopefully the investment is lower. thanks to all who contributed.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:37 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> wrote:
Nandy, something does not add up. When you deploy DSLAMs for public lines, it's not for 24/48 ports, but rather for 20 000 to 30 000 ports. Perhaps there is a confusion about what is a public line. A public line is the 200 meters-8km pair of copper going from the local (legacy) telco facility to your house. You don't install your own DSLAMs for 24/48 ports, or perhaps you are in
a
very specific situation. I really doubt you will find a cost effective DSLAM for so few ports. Plus, you realize you will need to install on DSLAM in all the telco facilities required to get the coverage you need There are small DSLAMs on the market, but they are targeted for private lines (hospitality, health care, ...) and I really don't know if they can work on public lines. In case you actually need a small DSLAM just to run ADSL over a private pair of copper, you should have a look at: http://www.phybridge.com/uniphyer-ip-phones.aspx This thing does not call itself a DSLAM but it is one. They market that as a "switch" that enables LAN on your copper wires. It's a small lie for data usage as you only get 25Mbps/1.4Mbps (ATM), but for voice, that's enough. Basically, you put the "switch"-DSLAM in the network cabinet where the copper wires go, you connect the wires to it, you connect the ethernet port to your LAN (so your FS). In each room/office, you plug an adapter (provided also by Phybridge) which is basically a small ADSL modem (powered from the switch through the wire), from which you get an ethernet port, with POE on it! I like the solution on the paper, but never used. Because of the cost: a 24 ports switch is 3500$ one adapter is 122$ so a full 24 ports solution would be 6500$, which is not very competitive compared to recabling the place. But your mileage may vary. David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.
Le 17/06/2011 à 08:28, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
yes, without ATM layer and it's for public lines.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> wrote:
Which density are you looking for ? Is it for use in a private building or on public lines ? David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou
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Le 17/06/2011 à 08:07, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
hello guys!
i'm trying to setup a small exchange w/ Internet service - of course, using FS as the exchange. DSLAMs connect to POTS via 2-wire splitters and that would require using FXS gateway (as what Rob mentioned).
i'm trying to find out if there's a way we can omit the FXS - so it's FS-to-DSLAM direct via IP. i'm not sure if this setup is now possible on newer IP DSLAMs.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:45 AM, jay binks <jaybinks@gmail.com> wrote:
this is MY take on what Nandy is after. A Dslam provides DSL on certain frequencies of the line.. ( some of ) the other frequencies are used for voice. my understanding is that sometimes this is split off to another device to provide the voice, but in this case Nandy is after a DSlam that will do the DSL part AND the voice frequencies ( Voice signalling / audio by SIP / RTP ) I guess this is a logical question and would be quite interesting to
see
if there are such devices.. sorry I dont know of any :( Jay
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Rob Hutton <justlikeef@gmail.com> wrote:
Can you explain further what you are trying to do? A DSLAM is a
device
that provides DSL transport, which is independent of what you run across it. So normally, you have
|Server | ----|network|----|DSLAM| --------[dsl line] -------[modem or modem/router combo]-----[network]---[Client]
What the Server is (Could be Freeswitch) and what the Client is (could be a VOIP phone) are independent of the transport??? Onewire, Cisco, and others make some DSL Modem/Router combos with integrated Voip to FXS ports for the CPE end.
If you find a DSLAM running one of the OSs that Freeswitch supports, you could compile Freeswitch for it, but I haven't seen one with enough CPU tp handle much besides the traffic.
On Thursday 16 June 2011 19:03:50 Nandy Dagondon wrote: > hello everybody, > > i'm looking for small (24/48 ports) IP DSLAMs that inter-connects > directly > to FreeSwitch via IP. is this already available on the market? or do > we > still have to connect FreeSwitch via POTS splitters and FXS gateways? > i > appreciate if you can mention some brands/models. > > tks, > nandy
-- Sincerely
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Very informative discussion. :) Can someone also share their experience on Fibre Optic based vendors / solutions? Regards HASSAN
I presume you are actually after an MSAN : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-service_access_node An MSAN allows the single copper pair to be used for voice and data. The voice component appears to the subscriber as a standard POTS and the MSAN then uses SIP to connect back to a softswitch such as FS. Perhaps something like this: http://www.zhone.com/products/msan/MALC-XP/ Brent On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Nandy Dagondon <gcd@i.ph> wrote:
yes, without ATM layer and it's for public lines.
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Which density are you looking for ? Is it for use in a private building or on public lines ?
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Le 17/06/2011 à 08:07, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
hello guys!
i'm trying to setup a small exchange w/ Internet service - of course, using FS as the exchange. DSLAMs connect to POTS via 2-wire splitters and that would require using FXS gateway (as what Rob mentioned).
i'm trying to find out if there's a way we can omit the FXS - so it's FS-to-DSLAM direct via IP. i'm not sure if this setup is now possible on newer IP DSLAMs.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:45 AM, jay binks <jaybinks@gmail.com> wrote:
this is MY take on what Nandy is after.
A Dslam provides DSL on certain frequencies of the line.. ( some of ) the other frequencies are used for voice.
my understanding is that sometimes this is split off to another device to provide the voice, but in this case Nandy is after a DSlam that will do the DSL part AND the voice frequencies ( Voice signalling / audio by SIP / RTP )
I guess this is a logical question and would be quite interesting to see if there are such devices.. sorry I dont know of any :(
Jay
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Rob Hutton <justlikeef@gmail.com>wrote:
Can you explain further what you are trying to do? A DSLAM is a device that provides DSL transport, which is independent of what you run across it. So normally, you have
|Server | ----|network|----|DSLAM| --------[dsl line] -------[modem or modem/router combo]-----[network]---[Client]
What the Server is (Could be Freeswitch) and what the Client is (could be a VOIP phone) are independent of the transport??? Onewire, Cisco, and others make some DSL Modem/Router combos with integrated Voip to FXS ports for the CPE end.
If you find a DSLAM running one of the OSs that Freeswitch supports, you could compile Freeswitch for it, but I haven't seen one with enough CPU tp handle much besides the traffic.
On Thursday 16 June 2011 19:03:50 Nandy Dagondon wrote:
hello everybody,
i'm looking for small (24/48 ports) IP DSLAMs that inter-connects directly to FreeSwitch via IP. is this already available on the market? or do we still have to connect FreeSwitch via POTS splitters and FXS gateways? i appreciate if you can mention some brands/models.
tks, nandy
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Hello Nandy Dagondon, Am 2011-06-17 14:07:54, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
hello guys!
i'm trying to setup a small exchange w/ Internet service - of course, using FS as the exchange. DSLAMs connect to POTS via 2-wire splitters and that would require using FXS gateway (as what Rob mentioned).
i'm trying to find out if there's a way we can omit the FXS - so it's FS-to-DSLAM direct via IP. i'm not sure if this setup is now possible on newer IP DSLAMs.
WHY not give your customers a ADSL/VoIP Gateway where they connect the telephone tothe router? And then they can connect directly to Asterisk. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- ##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ###################### Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France itsystems@tdnet Owner Michelle Konzack Owner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) Gewerbe Straße 3 50, rue de Soultz 77694 Kehl/Germany 67100 Strasbourg/France Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-176-86004575 office <http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/> <http://www.flexray4linux.org/> <http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/> <http://www.can4linux.org/> Jabber linux4michelle@jabber.ccc.de ICQ #328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/
Actually, most of his customers are still in the dark ages... That's the problem here ;) On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> wrote:
Hello Nandy Dagondon,
Am 2011-06-17 14:07:54, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
hello guys!
i'm trying to setup a small exchange w/ Internet service - of course, using FS as the exchange. DSLAMs connect to POTS via 2-wire splitters and that would require using FXS gateway (as what Rob mentioned).
i'm trying to find out if there's a way we can omit the FXS - so it's FS-to-DSLAM direct via IP. i'm not sure if this setup is now possible on newer IP DSLAMs.
WHY not give your customers a ADSL/VoIP Gateway where they connect the telephone tothe router? And then they can connect directly to Asterisk.
Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack
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actually this is what we need if the subscriber needs Internet connection. any suggested brand/model of ADSL/VoIP gateway? that would be great. but i'll stick to FreeSwitch not Asterisk. On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Michelle Konzack < linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> wrote:
Hello Nandy Dagondon,
Am 2011-06-17 14:07:54, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
hello guys!
i'm trying to setup a small exchange w/ Internet service - of course, using FS as the exchange. DSLAMs connect to POTS via 2-wire splitters and that would require using FXS gateway (as what Rob mentioned).
i'm trying to find out if there's a way we can omit the FXS - so it's FS-to-DSLAM direct via IP. i'm not sure if this setup is now possible on newer IP DSLAMs.
WHY not give your customers a ADSL/VoIP Gateway where they connect the telephone tothe router? And then they can connect directly to Asterisk.
Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack
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Hello Nandy Dagondon, Am 2011-06-18 05:54:23, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
actually this is what we need if the subscriber needs Internet connection. any suggested brand/model of ADSL/VoIP gateway? that would be great. but i'll stick to FreeSwitch not Asterisk.
There are MANY DSL/VoIP Router. We in Germany use mainly AVM but I have also products from Matrix (India) and some chinese manufacturers. Price is in the range between 40 and 300 US$ depending on the requested features. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- ##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ###################### Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France itsystems@tdnet Owner Michelle Konzack Owner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) Gewerbe Straße 3 50, rue de Soultz 77694 Kehl/Germany 67100 Strasbourg/France Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-176-86004575 office <http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/> <http://www.flexray4linux.org/> <http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/> <http://www.can4linux.org/> Jabber linux4michelle@jabber.ccc.de ICQ #328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/
I think he wants the newer DSLAMs without ATM layer. On Jun 17, 2011 3:35 AM, "Rob Hutton" <justlikeef@gmail.com> wrote:
Can you explain further what you are trying to do? A DSLAM is a device that provides DSL transport, which is independent of what you run across it. So normally, you have
|Server | ----|network|----|DSLAM| --------[dsl line] -------[modem or modem/router combo]-----[network]---[Client]
What the Server is (Could be Freeswitch) and what the Client is (could be a VOIP phone) are independent of the transport??? Onewire, Cisco, and others make some DSL Modem/Router combos with integrated Voip to FXS ports for the CPE end.
If you find a DSLAM running one of the OSs that Freeswitch supports, you could compile Freeswitch for it, but I haven't seen one with enough CPU tp handle much besides the traffic.
On Thursday 16 June 2011 19:03:50 Nandy Dagondon wrote:
hello everybody,
i'm looking for small (24/48 ports) IP DSLAMs that inter-connects directly to FreeSwitch via IP. is this already available on the market? or do we still have to connect FreeSwitch via POTS splitters and FXS gateways? i appreciate if you can mention some brands/models.
tks, nandy
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Take a look at Zhone technologies. The MXK is a really nice DSLAM for medium to high densities. They have line cards for ADSL2+, ADSL2+ w/ POTS (exactly what you are after), G.SHDSL, ADSL2+ with splitters, POTS only, and GPON. That pretty much covers everything. The POTS line cards are essentially FXS gateways. The combo cards give you ADSL2+ and a SIP ATA essentially on the same board. This all terminates out to Gigabit Ethernet, so you can connect it up to your IP network and use FreeSwitch to handle the voice side of things. I think they even make a T1 card for that frame. If you want something small, take a look at their Raptor DSLAMs. These are 1U models that are environmentally hardened and can be used in outdoor cabinets. I'm pretty sure they make a model that has 24 ports of ADSL2+ and POTS. Good luck! -Tim Nandy Dagondon wrote:
hello everybody,
i'm looking for small (24/48 ports) IP DSLAMs that inter-connects directly to FreeSwitch via IP. is this already available on the market? or do we still have to connect FreeSwitch via POTS splitters and FXS gateways? i appreciate if you can mention some brands/models.
tks, nandy
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I use Zhone MALCs for ADSL2+/POTS to the customer. It handles MGCP or SIP back to the softswitch. I'm using Broadsoft not Freeswitch but should still work just as well. http://www.zhone.com/products/MALC-XP/ -Matt ----- Original Message -----
From: "Nandy Dagondon" <gcd@i.ph> To: "FreeSWITCH Users Help" <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 7:03:50 PM Subject: [Freeswitch-users] VoIP IP DSLAMs
hello everybody,
i'm looking for small (24/48 ports) IP DSLAMs that inter-connects directly to FreeSwitch via IP. is this already available on the market? or do we still have to connect FreeSwitch via POTS splitters and FXS gateways? i appreciate if you can mention some brands/models.
tks, nandy
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Anton VG
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Brent Paddon
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David Ponzone
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jay binks
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Matthew S. Crocker
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Michelle Konzack
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Nandy Dagondon
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Nyamul Hassan
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Ognjen Seslija
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Rob Hutton
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Tihomir Culjaga
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Tim St. Pierre