Tom, its just a co-incidence that g729 had a patent and the developers did a revenue share with the patent owner. That patent having expired does not take away the fact that the FS developers *did* after all develop and maintain the commercial g729 mod. The same is the case with other commercial mods of FS.
Call me skeptical. All other patent-free codecs were added into the main FS freely, but G.729, the only one with patent restrictions, was kept as an upgrade as a coincidence?
I am in disagreement with your comment of "G.729 license had value to the customers because the patent license was rolled in. It was difficult for individual users to get patent licenses." You can build a g729 transcoder yourself and the patent holder would accept your $10 per channel easily. You needed to contact them and they did respond (well atleast I did for a small number of ports for something else that I was working on).
That's not so. I went through the process with Sipro. It required large up-front payments and purchases of thousands of licenses at a time. The FS team did the community a big service in sub-licensing these. But their model could not adapt to large needs. I've still got several thousand (now worthless) patent licenses bought from Sipro. Anybody want some ? :) Lastly - yes you will find many functional open source alternatives, but
are they genuinely free? Who is going to build and manage that into your FS eventually? Apologies in advance for the gas bomb.
My humble suggestion was for g729 mod to join the rest of the license-free codecs available in Freeswitch. Honestly I don't have a dog in this fight, but as someone who once had to solve this problem I just wanted to add my thoughts.
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On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 8:19 PM, Tom Hartnett <hartnett.tom@gmail.com> wrote:
Giovanni, I didn't suggest anything like that. The G.729 license had value to the customers because the patent license was rolled in. It was difficult for individual users to get patent licenses. That's not a factor anymore. And as much as we'd all like to support the team, it would be good if what was licensed from them had the same level of value, rather than just copyright on a piece of code that's available for free elsewhere.
A license that covers copyright and patents on certain video encoders comes to mind.
On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Giovanni Maruzzelli <gmaruzz@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8 January 2018 at 15:22, Tom Hartnett <hartnett.tom@gmail.com> wrote:
Just chiming in here, as we've used G.729 with FS in the past. I fully support the core team getting income from licensed premium features, but perhaps it's time to let the G.729 thing go. With the patent licenses expired, and functional open source alternatives, and G.729 usage waning in general, It might be a good time to move it back into the main fold. There's lots of other add-ons I can think of that would make great "upgrades" the team could license out.
Tom, are you suggesting to let go of an established commercial practice (which, btw, I suspect don't even pay for the bandwidth people use to download FreeSWITCH, let alone pay who write the code) and start finding ways to create semi-necessary "addons" you-cannot-stay-without-if-you-are-serious and squeeze all FreeSWITCH users ?
Ugh!
:D
-giovanni
On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:02 AM, Prashant Lamba < prashant.lamba@gmail.com> wrote:
This was already discussed on other threads - Although the g729 Patent has expired, it does not imply that FS Developers cant charge a license / per port fee. They have developed G729 support and maintaining it.
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On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:27 AM, Gregor Nanger <gregor@infomedia.si> wrote:
I would gladly buy licenceses, but g729 mod is not available for windows :-(
2018-01-07 20:37 GMT+01:00 Bipin Patel <bipin@xbipin.com>:
> Well I'm also not making money out of it but just to support old or > slow clients we also need it. In asterisk at least there is that open > source g729 coded which might not be optimized but at least supporting it > is better than nothing. > > On January 7, 2018 8:53:42 PM David Villasmil < > david.villasmil.work@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I don't understand, if you don't make money with the service you >> provide, why would you provide it in the first place? And more important, >> why would you give out g729 encoding/decoding for free? >> >> You might be in the wrong business, if so. Unless we're missing >> some information, you should just buy the licenses and be done with this >> discussion. >> >> David >> >> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018, 01:58 Brian West <brian@freeswitch.com> wrote: >> >>> Seems everyone confuses copyright with patent >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 6:49 PM Michelle Konzack < >>> linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Hmmm, the only problem is, that I do not make money with it. >>>> >>>> Am 2018-01-07 hackte Madovsky in die Tasten: >>>> > If you make money with 180 users so it's worth >>>> > >>>> > to contribute to FreeSWITCH staff too... >>>> > >>>> > On 1/6/2018 2:38 PM, Geoff Mina wrote: >>>> >> It is quite expensive non-proprietary functionality for >>>> anything >>>> >> larger than a tiny installation. >>>> >> >>>> >> On Jan 6, 2018, at 8:34 AM, Madovsky <infos@madovsky.org >>>> >> <mailto:infos@madovsky.org>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> G729 license helps FreeSWITCH core team... >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On 1/6/2018 7:13 AM, Mirko Brankovic wrote: >>>> >>>> As far as I know g729 licence expired year ago, and I know >>>> of 2 open >>>> >>>> source modules that have it implemented and working ;) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 6, 2018 11:30, "Michelle Konzack" >>>> >>>> <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net >>>> >>>> <mailto:linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello *, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> the promoted G.729 License for 10US is only for one >>>> concurency >>>> >>>> call. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But what about parallel calls? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am in Estonia and we have only 300MBit LTE/4G >>>> connections here >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> no DSL or similar >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My VoIP server is currently located in Nürnberg/Germany >>>> but will >>>> >>>> be >>>> >>>> relocated to an ISP in Tallinn. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> However, I have 140 users of this VoIP Server and like >>>> to use a >>>> >>>> more >>>> >>>> efficient Codec because also some of the users are on >>>> slow >>>> >>>> (=<1MBit) >>>> >>>> Satelite connection 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