[Freeswitch-users] G.729 license...

Prashant Lamba prashant.lamba at gmail.com
Tue Jan 9 11:31:47 UTC 2018 

Tom, its just a co-incidence that g729 had a patent and the developers did
a revenue share with the patent owner. That patent having expired does not
take away the fact that the FS developers *did* after all develop and
maintain the commercial g729 mod. The same is the case with other
commercial mods of FS.

I am in disagreement with your comment of "G.729 license had value to the
customers because the patent license was rolled in. It was difficult for
individual users to get patent licenses." You can build a g729 transcoder
yourself and the patent holder would accept your $10 per channel easily.
You needed to contact them and they did respond (well atleast I did for a
small number of ports for something else that I was working on). Lastly -
yes you will find many functional open source alternatives, but are they
genuinely free? Who is going to build and manage that into your FS
eventually? Apologies in advance for the gas bomb.

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On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 8:19 PM, Tom Hartnett <hartnett.tom at gmail.com> wrote:

> Giovanni, I didn't suggest anything like that. The G.729 license had value
> to the customers because the patent license was rolled in. It was difficult
> for individual users to get patent licenses. That's not a factor anymore.
> And as much as we'd all like to support the team, it would be good if what
> was licensed from them had the same level of value, rather than just
> copyright on a piece of code that's available for free elsewhere.
>
> A license that covers copyright and patents on certain video encoders
> comes to mind.
>
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Giovanni Maruzzelli <gmaruzz at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 8 January 2018 at 15:22, Tom Hartnett <hartnett.tom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just chiming in here, as we've used G.729 with FS in the past. I fully
>>> support the core team getting income from licensed premium features, but
>>> perhaps it's time to let the G.729 thing go. With the patent licenses
>>> expired, and functional open source alternatives, and G.729 usage waning in
>>> general, It might be a good time to move it back into the main fold.
>>> There's lots of other add-ons I can think of that would make great
>>> "upgrades" the team could license out.
>>>
>>
>> Tom, are you suggesting to let go of an established commercial practice
>> (which, btw, I suspect don't even pay for the bandwidth people use to
>> download FreeSWITCH, let alone pay who write the code) and start finding
>> ways to create semi-necessary "addons" you-cannot-stay-without-if-you-are-serious
>> and squeeze all FreeSWITCH users ?
>>
>> Ugh!
>>
>> :D
>>
>> -giovanni
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:02 AM, Prashant Lamba <prashant.lamba at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> This was already discussed on other threads - Although the g729 Patent
>>>> has expired, it does not imply that FS Developers cant charge a license /
>>>> per port fee. They have developed G729 support and maintaining it.
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:27 AM, Gregor Nanger <gregor at infomedia.si>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would gladly buy licenceses, but g729 mod is not available for
>>>>> windows :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> 2018-01-07 20:37 GMT+01:00 Bipin Patel <bipin at xbipin.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I'm also not making money out of it but just to support old or
>>>>>> slow clients we also need it. In asterisk at least there is that open
>>>>>> source g729 coded which might not be optimized but at least supporting it
>>>>>> is better than nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On January 7, 2018 8:53:42 PM David Villasmil <
>>>>>> david.villasmil.work at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't understand, if you don't make money with the service you
>>>>>>> provide, why would you provide it in the first place? And more important,
>>>>>>> why would you give out g729 encoding/decoding for free?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You might be in the wrong business, if so. Unless we're missing some
>>>>>>> information, you should just buy the licenses and be done with this
>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018, 01:58 Brian West <brian at freeswitch.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seems everyone confuses copyright with patent
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 6:49 PM Michelle Konzack <
>>>>>>>> linux4michelle at tamay-dogan.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hmmm, the only problem is, that I do not make money with it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 2018-01-07 hackte Madovsky in die Tasten:
>>>>>>>>> > If you make money with 180 users so it's worth
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > to contribute to FreeSWITCH staff too...
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > On 1/6/2018 2:38 PM, Geoff Mina wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> It is quite expensive non-proprietary functionality for anything
>>>>>>>>> >> larger than a tiny installation.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> On Jan 6, 2018, at 8:34 AM, Madovsky <infos at madovsky.org
>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:infos at madovsky.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>> G729 license helps FreeSWITCH core team...
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> On 1/6/2018 7:13 AM, Mirko Brankovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>> As far as I know g729 licence expired year ago, and I know of
>>>>>>>>> 2 open
>>>>>>>>> >>>> source modules that have it implemented and working ;)
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Jan 6, 2018 11:30, "Michelle Konzack"
>>>>>>>>> >>>> <linux4michelle at tamay-dogan.net
>>>>>>>>> >>>> <mailto:linux4michelle at tamay-dogan.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>     Hello *,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>     the promoted G.729 License for 10US is only for one
>>>>>>>>> concurency
>>>>>>>>> >>>> call.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>     But what about parallel calls?
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>     I am in Estonia and we have only 300MBit LTE/4G
>>>>>>>>> connections here
>>>>>>>>> >>>> and
>>>>>>>>> >>>>     no DSL or similar
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>     My VoIP server is currently located in Nürnberg/Germany
>>>>>>>>> but will
>>>>>>>>> >>>> be
>>>>>>>>> >>>>     relocated to an ISP in Tallinn.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>     However, I have 140 users of this VoIP Server and like to
>>>>>>>>> use a
>>>>>>>>> >>>> more
>>>>>>>>> >>>>     efficient Codec because also some of the users are on slow
>>>>>>>>> >>>> (=<1MBit)
>>>>>>>>> >>>>     Satelite connection
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>     Is it possibel, to use the G.729 Codec only for some
>>>>>>>>> defined
>>>>>>>>> >>>> users?
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>     This would mean, I need only arround a 15 user licence
>>>>>>>>> instead
>>>>>>>>> >>>>     of 140.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>     Thanks in avance
>>>>>>>>> >>>>     Michelle Konzack
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>     Miila ITSystems @ TDNet
>>>>>>>>> >>>>     Estonia
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