[Freeswitch-users] Removing echo.

Mon Mar 18 17:17:45 MSK 2013

I am afraid I have offended some of you with my last email, I certainly did not mean to in any way. I love FS and I am interested in making it better if I can help.

I have sent a request for pricing from PBXMate, but my experience is that if they won’t put it on the website it is going to be too high.

I was just trying to see if there was interest from others in PAYING Anthony and the other developers to add this to FreeSwitch.  I would certainly rather send money to FS developers than to a commercial product vendor if possible.

Having said all that, does anyone have experience with PBXMate?  Does it cancel echo well?

Sean

From: freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Valer Nur
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 3:02 AM
To: FreeSWITCH Users Help
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Removing echo.

Sean,

Since, as you said, the problem is usually due to equipment on the far-end, replacing this equipment is usually expensive and a non-practical solution. On the other hand, you can easily upgrade your VoIP infrastructure by installing a commercial solutions for network echo cancellation like the PBXMate.

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From: Sean Devoy <sdevoy at bizfocused.com>
To: 'FreeSWITCH Users Help' <freeswitch-users at lists.freeswitch.org> 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Removing echo.

I feel your pain.  The number one complaint from my customers switching to VOIP is the frequent presence of echo.  Many times the echo is quite quiet and is easily ignored.  Other times it is neither soft nor a short delay increasing the annoyance level.  (The number 2 complaint is delay in connecting to the number being called).

I have read LOTS of articles and blogs and wikis on the subject.  The prevailing wisdom seems to be:

1.   The echo is always caused by the phone or equipment on the far end of your call!  Presumably the phone or device on the far end of the call does not have good echo cancellation.  My question is “If so, why is it ALMOST exclusively a VOIP problem?”  Also, for FS developers, “Why is it so much more prevalent than when I was on Vonage for years?”

2.   VOIP is clearer than analog.  The times when nobody is speaking on VOIP can even cause “Are you still there?” questions.  That exacerbates the echo problem.  When the quite levels are SO quiet, a little echo goes a long way. 

3.   A significant number people have just adopted the idea that “Echo is part of life, get used to it.  Also, tell the person you are talking to they need a phone upgrade.”  I will attest to having had my business partner switch from speaker to handset to headphone and noticed a perceivable difference in echo levels.

So, Anthony et. al. is this something that COULD be addressed if we put a ransom on it or is it just beyond the scope of what can be done in FS?  Analog providers and Vonage have addressed the issue to the point that people are content.  My customers are far from content.  I THINK we could raise some real money if this is fixable – I would start the pot with a couple of hundred bucks. On the other hand, I am ignorant of the underlying issues and those other folks may have very expensive hardware addressing the issue. Please educate me.

As a follow up question, does my VOIP topology affect this issue?  I use a fairly large, fast, dedicated server collocated at my primary VOIP provider for fastest connect speeds.  ALL of my users (and I) are remote connects.  I get varying levels of echo calling from my Cisco SPA504G in Baltimore to my partner on his Cisco504G in Milwaukee on the same FS box. Granted it is usually quite low levels in that scenario, but it is sporadically quite annoying.  The worst part is having NO ANSWER for (new) customers.

Sean

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From: freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Mimiko
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 8:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Removing echo.

Some one. Some thought about this?

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Mimiko desu.

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