[Freeswitch-users] FaxxBochs hackers?
Alex Crow
acrow at integrafin.co.uk
Wed Jul 11 00:20:31 MSD 2012
All.
Still a lot of fax requirements in the finance world here - some brokers
still require it.
T.38 makes things easier without the admin having to worry about legal
issues due to the "realtime" nature of the transmission. Yes, it is
silly, as anyone can fiddle with the time in their receiving device,
anyone as a sender can change their T30 ID, but somehow it is quite fun
seeing old fax machines talking to each other, over the internet, with
no idea there isn't a real analog PSTN line involved anywhere!
In an ideal world everyone would know how to verify, eg, a PGP signed
document sent via email/sftp etc but I can't see the adoption reaching
critical mass for an audience like ours in my lifetime. Too many
proprietary "easy-to-use" "secure email" services that just fragment the
market, ignore established standards and detract from everyone adopting
a common mechanism. And the stuff with RFCs: S/MIME anyone? SSMTP? Feels
like p**sing in the wind when I talk to non-techies about those, let
alone PKI and trust networks. Only huge corps and govermnent ever use
such things and even then it's a nightmare to enrol in their schemes due
to the huge mass of forms you have to fill in!
Cheers
Alex
On 10/07/12 17:50, Andrew Cassidy wrote:
> Yes, faxing is great fun! But it's true, if you're working for someone
> you can recommend better ways, but if a client says 'I want fax' and
> you say 'no', kiss that sale goodbye. I'd rather support faxing (which
> freeswitch makes pretty simple) than lose out on all the money!
>
> On 10 July 2012 12:12, Brian Foster <bdfoster at endigotech.com
> <mailto:bdfoster at endigotech.com>> wrote:
>
> Besides, fax is fun, right?
>
> Brian Foster
> Endigo Computer LLC
>
> Sent from a mobile device.
>
> On Jul 10, 2012 12:43 AM, "Michael Giagnocavo" <mgg at giagnocavo.net
> <mailto:mgg at giagnocavo.net>> wrote:
>
> Sure, and I wholeheartedly agree. But none of these arguments
> are compelling to users, and making them just means you'll
> lose a sale. It's unlikely a large fax customer is going to
> say "Wow, you know, I now realize faxes are just ancient
> relics, and we're going to ditch them." By not enabling faxes,
> you only end up harming the customer.
>
> -Michael
>
> *From:*freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org
> <mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org>
> [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org
> <mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org>] *On
> Behalf Of *Chris Ferreira
> *Sent:* Monday, July 09, 2012 8:31 PM
> *To:* FreeSWITCH Users Help
> *Subject:* Re: [Freeswitch-users] FaxxBochs hackers?
>
> There are more modern ways of legally transmitting documents.
> Signed and all. I have several clients that are practicing
> lawyers in multiple states and my own brother has a law firm.
>
> These are simply excuses. My point is that there ARE better
> ways. We just keep enabling a poor, old, and broken technology.
>
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> On Jul 9, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Michael Giagnocavo
> <mgg at giagnocavo.net <mailto:mgg at giagnocavo.net>> wrote:
>
> Faxes carry legal standing that email does not. So, you
> can want a better solution, but the reality is that fax
> won't disappear soon. In fact, as I understand, part of
> T.38 was driven by legal requirements.
>
> -Michael
>
> *From:*freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org
> <mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org>
> [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org
> <mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *Chris Ferreira
> *Sent:* Monday, July 09, 2012 6:13 PM
> *To:* FreeSWITCH Users Help
> *Subject:* Re: [Freeswitch-users] FaxxBochs hackers?
>
> I disagree. The job of any telecom or IT professional is
> to also educate and circulate out antiquated equipment.
>
> I don't know why we still accept the use of faxes when
> things like typewriters have pretty much been eliminated.
>
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> On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:07 PM, BookBag <asaad2 at gmail.com
> <mailto:asaad2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> You know if I told my boss that all fax machines were
> phased out . I wouldn't have a job. He's gonna say my
> job is to make our equipment work not force them to
> switch to different methods
>
> On Jul 9, 2012 2:18 PM, "Chris Ferreira"
> <chris at gonumina.com <mailto:chris at gonumina.com>> wrote:
>
> I think it would be wonderful if all VoIP admins and
> providers
> collectively told the people needing fax service that
> it has been
> completely phased out.
>
> I think it would be great if stores stopped selling
> fax machines and
> all remaining fax machines were recycled.
>
> The only reason faxing still exists is because of the
> few people that
> refuse to let it die.
>
>
>
>
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> On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Gabriel Gunderson
> <gabe at gundy.org <mailto:gabe at gundy.org>> wrote:
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> > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Sean Devoy
> <sdevoy at bizfocused.com <mailto:sdevoy at bizfocused.com>>
> wrote:
> >> Has anyone investigated the new FaxxBochs offering?
> It appears to handle the
> >> analog fax machine locally, then send the fax as a
> data TCP connection to
> >> the server (as a TIFF or JPG I would guess).
> >
> > Given how it works, they should have named it FauxBochs.
> >
> >
> > Gabe
> >
> >
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