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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">All.<br>
<br>
Still a lot of fax requirements in the finance world here - some
brokers still require it.<br>
<br>
T.38 makes things easier without the admin having to worry about
legal issues due to the "realtime" nature of the transmission.
Yes, it is silly, as anyone can fiddle with the time in their
receiving device, anyone as a sender can change their T30 ID, but
somehow it is quite fun seeing old fax machines talking to each
other, over the internet, with no idea there isn't a real analog
PSTN line involved anywhere!<br>
<br>
In an ideal world everyone would know how to verify, eg, a PGP
signed document sent via email/sftp etc but I can't see the
adoption reaching critical mass for an audience like ours in my
lifetime. Too many proprietary "easy-to-use" "secure email"
services that just fragment the market, ignore established
standards and detract from everyone adopting a common mechanism.
And the stuff with RFCs: S/MIME anyone? SSMTP? Feels like p**sing
in the wind when I talk to non-techies about those, let alone PKI
and trust networks. Only huge corps and govermnent ever use such
things and even then it's a nightmare to enrol in their schemes
due to the huge mass of forms you have to fill in!<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
Alex<br>
<br>
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On 10/07/12 17:50, Andrew Cassidy wrote:<br>
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<blockquote
cite="mid:CAMbW9o+xZGuApK=_hazRDRPP-erXL7QmyZdiv0E9DFhuOmp1mw@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Yes, faxing is great fun! But it's true, if you're
working for someone you can recommend better ways, but if a client
says 'I want fax' and you say 'no', kiss that sale goodbye. I'd
rather support faxing (which freeswitch makes pretty simple) than
lose out on all the money!
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 10 July 2012 12:12, Brian Foster <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bdfoster@endigotech.com" target="_blank">bdfoster@endigotech.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p>Besides, fax is fun, right?</p>
<div class="im HOEnZb">
<p>Brian Foster<br>
Endigo Computer LLC</p>
<p>Sent from a mobile device.</p>
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<div class="h5">
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 10, 2012 12:43 AM,
"Michael Giagnocavo" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mgg@giagnocavo.net" target="_blank">mgg@giagnocavo.net</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Sure,
and I wholeheartedly agree. But none of
these arguments are compelling to users, and
making them just means you’ll lose a sale.
It’s unlikely a large fax customer is going
to say “Wow, you know, I now realize faxes
are just ancient relics, and we’re going to
ditch them.” By not enabling faxes, you only
end up harming the customer.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">-Michael</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
name="13870a0ef41d91fe_1386f33095270e57__MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></a></p>
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#b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org"
target="_blank">freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org"
target="_blank">freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris Ferreira<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 09, 2012 8:31
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> FreeSWITCH Users Help<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Freeswitch-users]
FaxxBochs hackers?</span></p>
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</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">There are more modern
ways of legally transmitting documents.
Signed and all. I have several clients that
are practicing lawyers in multiple states
and my own brother has a law firm.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">These are
simply excuses. My point is that there ARE
better ways. We just keep enabling a poor,
old, and broken technology.</p>
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On Jul 9, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Michael
Giagnocavo <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">mgg@giagnocavo.net</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Faxes
carry legal standing that email does
not. So, you can want a better solution,
but the reality is that fax won’t
disappear soon. In fact, as I
understand, part of T.38 was driven by
legal requirements.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">-Michael</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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#b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org"
target="_blank">freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org"
target="_blank">freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris Ferreira<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 09, 2012
6:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> FreeSWITCH Users Help<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Freeswitch-users] FaxxBochs
hackers?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I disagree. The job
of any telecom or IT professional is to
also educate and circulate out
antiquated equipment.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I don't
know why we still accept the use of
faxes when things like typewriters have
pretty much been eliminated.</p>
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On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:07 PM, BookBag <<a
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target="_blank">asaad2@gmail.com</a>>
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<p>You know if I told my boss that all
fax machines were phased out . I
wouldn't have a job. He's gonna say my
job is to make our equipment work not
force them to switch to different
methods</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jul 9, 2012
2:18 PM, "Chris Ferreira" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chris@gonumina.com"
target="_blank">chris@gonumina.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I think it would
be wonderful if all VoIP admins and
providers<br>
collectively told the people needing
fax service that it has been<br>
completely phased out.<br>
<br>
I think it would be great if stores
stopped selling fax machines and<br>
all remaining fax machines were
recycled.<br>
<br>
The only reason faxing still exists
is because of the few people that<br>
refuse to let it die.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Gabriel
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<br>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:33
AM, Sean Devoy <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sdevoy@bizfocused.com"
target="_blank">sdevoy@bizfocused.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> Has anyone investigated the
new FaxxBochs offering? It appears
to handle the<br>
>> analog fax machine locally,
then send the fax as a data TCP
connection to<br>
>> the server (as a TIFF or
JPG I would guess).<br>
><br>
> Given how it works, they should
have named it FauxBochs.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Gabe<br>
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