[Freeswitch-users] VoIP IP DSLAMs

Mon Jun 20 21:14:20 MSD 2011

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 22:21, Anton VG <anton.vazir at gmail.com> wrote:

> zyxel have what you ask. Huawei have better pricing (~20$ per port)
> but huawei wants to sell huge amounts and quality is somehow bad.
>
> Zyxel is quite good (did not try ZyXEL Voip features, only ADSL) but
> ADSL is good and reliable, but more expensive per port. There are
> options for 12/24/48 and modular 300+ ports
>
> 2011/6/20 Matthew S. Crocker <matthew at corp.crocker.com>:
> >
> > Zhone MALC-XP are nowhere near $11k.    They are < $100/port
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: "David Ponzone" <david.ponzone at ipeva.fr>
> > To: "FreeSWITCH Users Help" <freeswitch-users at lists.freeswitch.org>
> > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 5:29:48 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] VoIP IP DSLAMs
> >
> > Hmmm unlikely I think.
> > The Zhone box for instance seems to be around 11,000$.
> > David Ponzone  Direction Technique
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> >
> >
> > Le 17/06/2011 à 10:25, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
> >
> > yes, it doesn't add up because the application is in a rural area. the
> > Phybridge is a good solution except for the price. thanks David. however,
> > the MSAN, perfectly describes what i'm looking - hopefully the investment
> is
> > lower.
> > thanks to all who contributed.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:37 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone at ipeva.fr>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Nandy,
> >> something does not add up.
> >> When you deploy DSLAMs for public lines, it's not for 24/48 ports, but
> >> rather for 20 000 to 30 000 ports.
> >> Perhaps there is a confusion about what is a public line.
> >> A public line is the 200 meters-8km pair of copper going from the local
> >> (legacy) telco facility to your house.
> >> You don't install your own DSLAMs for 24/48 ports, or perhaps you are in
> a
> >> very specific situation.
> >> I really doubt you will find a cost effective DSLAM for so few ports.
> >> Plus, you realize you will need to install on DSLAM in all the telco
> >> facilities required to get the coverage you need
> >> There are small DSLAMs on the market, but they are targeted for private
> >> lines (hospitality, health care, ...) and I really don't know if they
> can
> >> work on public lines.
> >> In case you actually need a small DSLAM just to run ADSL over a private
> >> pair of copper, you should have a look at:
> >> http://www.phybridge.com/uniphyer-ip-phones.aspx
> >> This thing does not call itself a DSLAM but it is one.
> >> They market that as a "switch" that enables LAN on your copper wires.
> >> It's a small lie for data usage as you only get 25Mbps/1.4Mbps (ATM),
> but
> >> for voice, that's enough.
> >> Basically, you put the "switch"-DSLAM in the network cabinet where the
> >> copper wires go, you connect the wires to it, you connect the ethernet
> port
> >> to your LAN (so your FS). In each room/office, you plug an adapter
> (provided
> >> also by Phybridge) which is basically a small ADSL modem (powered from
> the
> >> switch through the wire), from which you get an ethernet port, with POE
> on
> >> it!
> >> I like the solution on the paper, but never used. Because of the cost:
> >> a 24 ports switch is 3500$
> >> one adapter is 122$
> >> so a full 24 ports solution would be 6500$, which is not very
> competitive
> >> compared to recabling the place.
> >> But your mileage may vary.
> >> David Ponzone  Direction Technique
> >> email: david.ponzone at ipeva.fr
> >> tel:      01 74 03 18 97
> >> gsm:   06 66 98 76 34
> >> Service Client IPeva
> >> tel:      0811 46 26 26
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Le 17/06/2011 à 08:28, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
> >>
> >> yes, without ATM layer and it's for public lines.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone at ipeva.fr>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Which density are you looking for ?
> >>> Is it for use in a private building or on public lines ?
> >>> David Ponzone  Direction Technique
> >>> email: david.ponzone at ipeva.fr
> >>> tel:      01 74 03 18 97
> >>> gsm:   06 66 98 76 34
> >>> Service Client IPeva
> >>> tel:      0811 46 26 26
> >>> www.ipeva.fr  -   www.ipeva-studio.com
> >>> Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à
> >>> l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou
> diffusion
> >>> non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible
> >>> d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message
> s'il
> >>> a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de
> ce
> >>> message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Le 17/06/2011 à 08:07, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
> >>>
> >>> hello guys!
> >>>
> >>> i'm trying to setup a small exchange w/ Internet service - of course,
> >>> using FS as the exchange. DSLAMs connect to POTS via 2-wire splitters
> and
> >>> that would require using FXS gateway (as what Rob mentioned).
> >>>
> >>> i'm trying to find out if there's a way we can omit the FXS - so it's
> >>> FS-to-DSLAM direct via IP.  i'm not sure if this setup is now possible
> on
> >>> newer IP DSLAMs.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:45 AM, jay binks <jaybinks at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> this is MY take on what Nandy is after.
> >>>> A Dslam provides DSL on certain frequencies of the line..
> >>>> ( some of ) the other frequencies are used for voice.
> >>>> my understanding is that sometimes this is split off to another device
> >>>> to provide the voice,
> >>>> but in this case Nandy is after a DSlam that will do the DSL part AND
> >>>> the voice frequencies ( Voice signalling / audio by SIP / RTP )
> >>>> I guess this is a logical question and would be quite interesting to
> see
> >>>> if there are such devices..
> >>>> sorry I dont know of any :(
> >>>> Jay
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Rob Hutton <justlikeef at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can you explain further what you are trying to do?  A DSLAM is a
> device
> >>>>> that provides DSL transport, which is independent of what you run
> across it.
> >>>>>  So normally, you have
> >>>>>
> >>>>> |Server | ----|network|----|DSLAM| --------[dsl line] -------[modem
> or
> >>>>> modem/router combo]-----[network]---[Client]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What the Server is (Could be Freeswitch) and what the Client is
> (could
> >>>>> be a VOIP phone) are independent of the transport???  Onewire, Cisco,
> and
> >>>>> others make some DSL Modem/Router combos with integrated Voip to FXS
> ports
> >>>>> for the CPE end.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you find a DSLAM running one of the OSs that Freeswitch supports,
> >>>>> you could compile Freeswitch for it, but I haven't seen one with
> enough CPU
> >>>>> tp handle much besides the traffic.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thursday 16 June 2011 19:03:50 Nandy Dagondon wrote:
> >>>>> > hello everybody,
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > i'm looking for small (24/48 ports)  IP DSLAMs that inter-connects
> >>>>> > directly
> >>>>> > to FreeSwitch via IP.  is this already available on the market? or
> do
> >>>>> > we
> >>>>> > still have to connect FreeSwitch via POTS splitters and FXS
> gateways?
> >>>>> > i
> >>>>> > appreciate if you can mention some brands/models.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > tks,
> >>>>> > nandy
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Sincerely
> >>>>
> >>>> Jay
>

Very informative discussion.  :)

Can someone also share their experience on Fibre Optic based vendors /
solutions?

Regards
HASSAN
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