[Freeswitch-users] VoIP IP DSLAMs

Matthew S. Crocker matthew at corp.crocker.com
Mon Jun 20 18:26:58 MSD 2011 

Zhone MALC-XP are nowhere near $11k. They are < $100/port 

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> From: "David Ponzone" <david.ponzone at ipeva.fr>
> To: "FreeSWITCH Users Help" <freeswitch-users at lists.freeswitch.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 5:29:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] VoIP IP DSLAMs

> Hmmm unlikely I think.
> The Zhone box for instance seems to be around 11,000$.

> David Ponzone Direction Technique
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> tel: 01 74 03 18 97
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> Le 17/06/2011 à 10:25, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :

> > yes, it doesn't add up because the application is in a rural area.
> > the Phybridge is a good solution except for the price. thanks
> > David.
> > however, the MSAN, perfectly describes what i'm looking - hopefully
> > the investment is lower.
> 

> > thanks to all who contributed.
> 

> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:37 PM, David Ponzone <
> > david.ponzone at ipeva.fr > wrote:
> 

> > > Nandy,
> > 
> 

> > > something does not add up.
> > 
> 
> > > When you deploy DSLAMs for public lines, it's not for 24/48
> > > ports,
> > > but rather for 20 000 to 30 000 ports.
> > 
> 
> > > Perhaps there is a confusion about what is a public line.
> > 
> 
> > > A public line is the 200 meters-8km pair of copper going from the
> > > local (legacy) telco facility to your house.
> > 
> 
> > > You don't install your own DSLAMs for 24/48 ports, or perhaps you
> > > are
> > > in a very specific situation.
> > 
> 
> > > I really doubt you will find a cost effective DSLAM for so few
> > > ports.
> > 
> 
> > > Plus, you realize you will need to install on DSLAM in all the
> > > telco
> > > facilities required to get the coverage you need
> > 
> 

> > > There are small DSLAMs on the market, but they are targeted for
> > > private lines (hospitality, health care, ...) and I really don't
> > > know if they can work on public lines.
> > 
> 

> > > In case you actually need a small DSLAM just to run ADSL over a
> > > private pair of copper, you should have a look at:
> > 
> 

> > > http://www.phybridge.com/uniphyer-ip-phones.aspx
> > 
> 

> > > This thing does not call itself a DSLAM but it is one.
> > 
> 
> > > They market that as a "switch" that enables LAN on your copper
> > > wires.
> > 
> 
> > > It's a small lie for data usage as you only get 25Mbps/1.4Mbps
> > > (ATM),
> > > but for voice, that's enough.
> > 
> 
> > > Basically, you put the "switch"-DSLAM in the network cabinet
> > > where
> > > the copper wires go, you connect the wires to it, you connect the
> > > ethernet port to your LAN (so your FS). In each room/office, you
> > > plug an adapter (provided also by Phybridge) which is basically a
> > > small ADSL modem (powered from the switch through the wire), from
> > > which you get an ethernet port, with POE on it!
> > 
> 

> > > I like the solution on the paper, but never used. Because of the
> > > cost:
> > 
> 
> > > a 24 ports switch is 3500$
> > 
> 
> > > one adapter is 122$
> > 
> 

> > > so a full 24 ports solution would be 6500$, which is not very
> > > competitive compared to recabling the place.
> > 
> 

> > > But your mileage may vary.
> > 
> 

> > > David Ponzone Direction Technique
> > 
> 
> > > email: david.ponzone at ipeva.fr
> > 
> 
> > > tel: 01 74 03 18 97
> > 
> 
> > > gsm: 06 66 98 76 34
> > 
> 

> > > Service Client IP eva
> > 
> 

> > > tel: 0811 46 26 26
> > 
> 

> > > www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com
> > 
> 

> > > Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et
> > > établis
> > > à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation
> > > ou
> > > diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique
> > > est
> > > susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au
> > > titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si
> > > vous
> > > n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire
> > > immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.
> > 
> 

> > > Le 17/06/2011 à 08:28, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
> > 
> 

> > > > yes, without ATM layer and it's for public lines.
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM, David Ponzone <
> > > > david.ponzone at ipeva.fr > wrote:
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > Which density are you looking for ?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > Is it for use in a private building or on public lines ?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > David Ponzone Direction Technique
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > email: david.ponzone at ipeva.fr
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > tel: 01 74 03 18 97
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > gsm: 06 66 98 76 34
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > Service Client IP eva
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > tel: 0811 46 26 26
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et
> > > > > établis
> > > > > à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute
> > > > > utilisation
> > > > > ou
> > > > > diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message
> > > > > électronique
> > > > > est
> > > > > susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité
> > > > > au
> > > > > titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié.
> > > > > Si
> > > > > vous
> > > > > n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire
> > > > > immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > Le 17/06/2011 à 08:07, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > hello guys!
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > i'm trying to setup a small exchange w/ Internet service -
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > course,
> > > > > > using FS as the exchange. DSLAMs connect to POTS via 2-wire
> > > > > > splitters and that would require using FXS gateway (as what
> > > > > > Rob
> > > > > > mentioned).
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > i'm trying to find out if there's a way we can omit the FXS
> > > > > > -
> > > > > > so
> > > > > > it's
> > > > > > FS-to-DSLAM direct via IP. i'm not sure if this setup is
> > > > > > now
> > > > > > possible on newer IP DSLAMs.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:45 AM, jay binks <
> > > > > > jaybinks at gmail.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > this is MY take on what Nandy is after.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > A Dslam provides DSL on certain frequencies of the line..
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > ( some of ) the other frequencies are used for voice.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > my understanding is that sometimes this is split off to
> > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > device to provide the voice,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > but in this case Nandy is after a DSlam that will do the
> > > > > > > DSL
> > > > > > > part
> > > > > > > AND
> > > > > > > the voice frequencies ( Voice signalling / audio by SIP /
> > > > > > > RTP
> > > > > > > )
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > I guess this is a logical question and would be quite
> > > > > > > interesting
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > see if there are such devices..
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > sorry I dont know of any :(
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > Jay
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Rob Hutton <
> > > > > > > justlikeef at gmail.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > > Can you explain further what you are trying to do? A
> > > > > > > > DSLAM
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > device that provides DSL transport, which is
> > > > > > > > independent
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > run across it. So normally, you have
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > > |Server | ----|network|----|DSLAM| --------[dsl line]
> > > > > > > > |-------[modem
> > > > > > > > |or modem/router combo]-----[network]---[Client]
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > > What the Server is (Could be Freeswitch) and what the
> > > > > > > > Client
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > (could be a VOIP phone) are independent of the
> > > > > > > > transport???
> > > > > > > > Onewire,
> > > > > > > > Cisco, and others make some DSL Modem/Router combos
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > integrated
> > > > > > > > Voip to FXS ports for the CPE end.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > > If you find a DSLAM running one of the OSs that
> > > > > > > > Freeswitch
> > > > > > > > supports,
> > > > > > > > you could compile Freeswitch for it, but I haven't seen
> > > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > enough CPU tp handle much besides the traffic.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > > On Thursday 16 June 2011 19:03:50 Nandy Dagondon wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > hello everybody,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > i'm looking for small (24/48 ports) IP DSLAMs that
> > > > > > > > > inter-connects
> > > > > > > > > directly
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > to FreeSwitch via IP. is this already available on
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > market?
> > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > do we
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > still have to connect FreeSwitch via POTS splitters
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > FXS
> > > > > > > > > gateways? i
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > appreciate if you can mention some brands/models.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
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> > > 
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
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> > > > > > > > > tks,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > nandy
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

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> > > > > > > Jay
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