[Freeswitch-users] VoIP IP DSLAMs

Fri Jun 17 15:54:37 MSD 2011

Probably just check what distance your FXS solution will support.  I've
heard a number of them do not support long distances commonly found on
outdoor style plant (they're more intended for in-building).

Brent

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Nandy Dagondon <gcd at i.ph> wrote:

> huh ... that's quiet pricey. perhaps an IP DSLAM + FXS would be a cheaper
> setup. in rural areas, many are still dinosaurs.
>
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> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:29 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone at ipeva.fr>wrote:
>
>> Hmmm unlikely I think.
>> The Zhone box for instance seems to be around 11,000$.
>>
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>> Le 17/06/2011 à 10:25, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
>>
>> yes, it doesn't add up because the application is in a rural area. the
>> Phybridge is a good solution except for the price. thanks David. however,
>> the MSAN, perfectly describes what i'm looking - hopefully the investment is
>> lower.
>>
>> thanks to all who contributed.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:37 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone at ipeva.fr>wrote:
>>
>>> Nandy,
>>>
>>> something does not add up.
>>> When you deploy DSLAMs for public lines, it's not for 24/48 ports, but
>>> rather for 20 000 to 30 000 ports.
>>> Perhaps there is a confusion about what is a public line.
>>> A public line is the 200 meters-8km pair of copper going from the local
>>> (legacy) telco facility to your house.
>>> You don't install your own DSLAMs for 24/48 ports, or perhaps you are in
>>> a very specific situation.
>>> I really doubt you will find a cost effective DSLAM for so few ports.
>>> Plus, you realize you will need to install on DSLAM in all the telco
>>> facilities required to get the coverage you need
>>>
>>> There are small DSLAMs on the market, but they are targeted for private
>>> lines (hospitality, health care, ...) and I really don't know if they can
>>> work on public lines.
>>>
>>> In case you actually need a small DSLAM just to run ADSL over a private
>>> pair of copper, you should have a look at:
>>>
>>> http://www.phybridge.com/uniphyer-ip-phones.aspx
>>>
>>> This thing does not call itself a DSLAM but it is one.
>>> They market that as a "switch" that enables LAN on your copper wires.
>>> It's a small lie for data usage as you only get 25Mbps/1.4Mbps (ATM), but
>>> for voice, that's enough.
>>> Basically, you put the "switch"-DSLAM in the network cabinet where the
>>> copper wires go, you connect the wires to it, you connect the ethernet port
>>> to your LAN (so your FS). In each room/office, you plug an adapter (provided
>>> also by Phybridge) which is basically a small ADSL modem (powered from the
>>> switch through the wire), from which you get an ethernet port, with POE on
>>> it!
>>>
>>> I like the solution on the paper, but never used. Because of the cost:
>>> a 24 ports switch is 3500$
>>> one adapter is 122$
>>>
>>> so a full 24 ports solution would be 6500$, which is not very competitive
>>> compared to recabling the place.
>>>
>>> But your mileage may vary.
>>>
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>>> Le 17/06/2011 à 08:28, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
>>>
>>> yes, without ATM layer and it's for public lines.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone at ipeva.fr>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which density are you looking for ?
>>>> Is it for use in a private building or on public lines ?
>>>>
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>>>> Le 17/06/2011 à 08:07, Nandy Dagondon a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> hello guys!
>>>>
>>>> i'm trying to setup a small exchange w/ Internet service - of course,
>>>> using FS as the exchange. DSLAMs connect to POTS via 2-wire splitters and
>>>> that would require using FXS gateway (as what Rob mentioned).
>>>>
>>>> i'm trying to find out if there's a way we can omit the FXS - so it's
>>>> FS-to-DSLAM direct via IP.  i'm not sure if this setup is now possible on
>>>> newer IP DSLAMs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:45 AM, jay binks <jaybinks at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> this is MY take on what Nandy is after.
>>>>>
>>>>> A Dslam provides DSL on certain frequencies of the line..
>>>>> ( some of ) the other frequencies are used for voice.
>>>>>
>>>>> my understanding is that sometimes this is split off to another device
>>>>> to provide the voice,
>>>>> but in this case Nandy is after a DSlam that will do the DSL part AND
>>>>> the voice frequencies ( Voice signalling / audio by SIP / RTP )
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess this is a logical question and would be quite interesting to
>>>>> see if there are such devices..
>>>>> sorry I dont know of any :(
>>>>>
>>>>> Jay
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Rob Hutton <justlikeef at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you explain further what you are trying to do?  A DSLAM is a
>>>>>> device that provides DSL transport, which is independent of what you run
>>>>>> across it.  So normally, you have
>>>>>>
>>>>>> |Server | ----|network|----|DSLAM| --------[dsl line] -------[modem or
>>>>>> modem/router combo]-----[network]---[Client]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What the Server is (Could be Freeswitch) and what the Client is (could
>>>>>> be a VOIP phone) are independent of the transport???  Onewire, Cisco, and
>>>>>> others make some DSL Modem/Router combos with integrated Voip to FXS ports
>>>>>> for the CPE end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you find a DSLAM running one of the OSs that Freeswitch supports,
>>>>>> you could compile Freeswitch for it, but I haven't seen one with enough CPU
>>>>>> tp handle much besides the traffic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday 16 June 2011 19:03:50 Nandy Dagondon wrote:
>>>>>> > hello everybody,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > i'm looking for small (24/48 ports)  IP DSLAMs that inter-connects
>>>>>> directly
>>>>>> > to FreeSwitch via IP.  is this already available on the market? or
>>>>>> do we
>>>>>> > still have to connect FreeSwitch via POTS splitters and FXS
>>>>>> gateways? i
>>>>>> > appreciate if you can mention some brands/models.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > tks,
>>>>>> > nandy
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sincerely
>>>>>
>>>>> Jay
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