Recommended SIP IP Wifi Handsets?
Hello, Newbie here, and newbie on FS - but been lurking for a few YEARS!... I'm hoping to roll out FS where some areas in a building are wired, and other areas are on WiFi, and to deploy some SIP phones in both areas. I expected that many phone suppliers would have handsets with EITHER RJ45 or WiFi connectivity to the LAN, or even both! I've found only a single device, a Cisco SPA525G2! Furthermore, searching the FS site, and various VoIP sites, and running general searches, I've found no other SIP WiFi phones that look like standard desktop handsets. I'd appreciate any pointers to WiFi devices that are recommended with FS. Preferably "standard-looking" desktop units, and better still, if they had wired "sisters" - in appearance and functionality! Or... maybe best to invest in a few rolls of Cat-6 cable!! Thank you - and many thanks again to some of the regulars here for off-list guidance. - Mike
Hi Mike, A bit off-topic but here are my 50 cents: -Did you consider building a wireless bridge with a $40 WiFi router running DD-WRT/Tomato/OpenWRT etc? This way you can plug wired phones into LAN ports of the "bridge" and the router will bridge them to your main access point. Asus WL-520GU will work and is really cheap. -If you go with WiFi you should only use WPA or WPA2. Less secure options (WEP :-) ) make all conversations accessible to public. Regards, Victor On 03/31/2011 02:05 PM, Michael Kennedy wrote:
Hello,
Newbie here, and newbie on FS - but been lurking for a few YEARS!...
I'm hoping to roll out FS where some areas in a building are wired, and other areas are on WiFi, and to deploy some SIP phones in both areas.
I expected that many phone suppliers would have handsets with EITHER RJ45 or WiFi connectivity to the LAN, or even both! I've found only a single device, a Cisco SPA525G2! Furthermore, searching the FS site, and various VoIP sites, and running general searches, I've found no other SIP WiFi phones that look like standard desktop handsets.
I'd appreciate any pointers to WiFi devices that are recommended with FS. Preferably "standard-looking" desktop units, and better still, if they had wired "sisters" - in appearance and functionality!
Or... maybe best to invest in a few rolls of Cat-6 cable!!
Thank you - and many thanks again to some of the regulars here for off-list guidance. - Mike
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Victor,
A bit off-topic but here are my 50 cents:
Oopppssss, my apologies - I thought it might be a common query for folks thinking about FS - but maybe in another "list"?
-Did you consider building a wireless bridge with a $40 WiFi router running DD-WRT/Tomato/OpenWRT etc?
I did NOT - and I've deployed a lot of them to support "PC"s! THANK YOU!
This way you can plug wired phones into LAN ports of the "bridge" and the router will bridge them to your main access point. Asus WL-520GU will work and is really cheap.
EXCELLENT suggestion! (Maybe I'm drifting even more O-T, but... I'm also glad you did not mention WiFi devices from Linksys - in my experience, some of these boxes performed very poorly, but I seem to be the only one on the planet with these experiences!).
-If you go with WiFi you should only use WPA or WPA2. Less secure options (WEP :-) ) make all conversations accessible to public.
Yes, I think all APs are currently running on WPA2. Thank you VERY much, Victor! - Mike
The Snom 870 will do it with a USB Wifi dongle, but in my experience don't go there, they are a diabolical handset from a usability standpoint. Campbell On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 15:59 +0100, Michael Kennedy wrote:
Victor,
A bit off-topic but here are my 50 cents:
Oopppssss, my apologies - I thought it might be a common query for folks thinking about FS - but maybe in another "list"?
-Did you consider building a wireless bridge with a $40 WiFi router running DD-WRT/Tomato/OpenWRT etc?
I did NOT - and I've deployed a lot of them to support "PC"s! THANK YOU!
This way you can plug wired phones into LAN ports of the "bridge" and the router will bridge them to your main access point. Asus WL-520GU will work and is really cheap.
EXCELLENT suggestion!
(Maybe I'm drifting even more O-T, but... I'm also glad you did not mention WiFi devices from Linksys - in my experience, some of these boxes performed very poorly, but I seem to be the only one on the planet with these experiences!).
-If you go with WiFi you should only use WPA or WPA2. Less secure options (WEP :-) ) make all conversations accessible to public.
Yes, I think all APs are currently running on WPA2.
Thank you VERY much, Victor! - Mike
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Thank you very much, Campbell. Knowing what to AVOID is frequently even MORE valuable that what to try/use! - Mike On 02/04/2011 03:40, Campbell Steven wrote:
The Snom 870 will do it with a USB Wifi dongle, but in my experience don't go there, they are a diabolical handset from a usability standpoint.
Campbell
I was planning on replacing our Cisco SPA962s with snom 870s. Could you please tell me why they are diabolical? Thanks. On Apr 1, 2011, at 7:40 PM, Campbell Steven wrote:
The Snom 870 will do it with a USB Wifi dongle, but in my experience don't go there, they are a diabolical handset from a usability standpoint.
Campbell
On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 15:59 +0100, Michael Kennedy wrote:
Victor,
A bit off-topic but here are my 50 cents:
Oopppssss, my apologies - I thought it might be a common query for folks thinking about FS - but maybe in another "list"?
-Did you consider building a wireless bridge with a $40 WiFi router running DD-WRT/Tomato/OpenWRT etc?
I did NOT - and I've deployed a lot of them to support "PC"s! THANK YOU!
This way you can plug wired phones into LAN ports of the "bridge" and the router will bridge them to your main access point. Asus WL-520GU will work and is really cheap.
EXCELLENT suggestion!
(Maybe I'm drifting even more O-T, but... I'm also glad you did not mention WiFi devices from Linksys - in my experience, some of these boxes performed very poorly, but I seem to be the only one on the planet with these experiences!).
-If you go with WiFi you should only use WPA or WPA2. Less secure options (WEP :-) ) make all conversations accessible to public.
Yes, I think all APs are currently running on WPA2.
Thank you VERY much, Victor! - Mike
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I kind of feel with the 870 that they decided they were going to make a touch screen phone first before they decided how they were going to implement it or how it was going to be useful on the phone. There are alot of ways of doing the same thing on them which makes them rather confusing to teach especially with transferring calls, the method of "dragging" calls in coloured bubbles around the screen is error prone and just plain difficult in practice given the orientation of the phone. There is also almost a disconnect between some of the hard keys on the handset and touch screen and they behave in different ways, especially the speaker phone key which doesn't work in some scenarios but does in others. The Vision sidecar that matches has only just in a beta release got BLF functionality, nearly 12 months after it's release is not great either (BLF support on a side car is pretty critical I think). Anyway, before you jump in I would suggest you buy one and see what you think. Campbell On Mon, 2011-04-04 at 15:01 -0700, Mario G wrote:
I was planning on replacing our Cisco SPA962s with snom 870s. Could you please tell me why they are diabolical? Thanks.
On Apr 1, 2011, at 7:40 PM, Campbell Steven wrote:
The Snom 870 will do it with a USB Wifi dongle, but in my experience don't go there, they are a diabolical handset from a usability standpoint.
Campbell
On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 15:59 +0100, Michael Kennedy wrote:
Victor,
A bit off-topic but here are my 50 cents:
Oopppssss, my apologies - I thought it might be a common query for folks thinking about FS - but maybe in another "list"?
-Did you consider building a wireless bridge with a $40 WiFi router running DD-WRT/Tomato/OpenWRT etc?
I did NOT - and I've deployed a lot of them to support "PC"s! THANK YOU!
This way you can plug wired phones into LAN ports of the "bridge" and the router will bridge them to your main access point. Asus WL-520GU will work and is really cheap.
EXCELLENT suggestion!
(Maybe I'm drifting even more O-T, but... I'm also glad you did not mention WiFi devices from Linksys - in my experience, some of these boxes performed very poorly, but I seem to be the only one on the planet with these experiences!).
-If you go with WiFi you should only use WPA or WPA2. Less secure options (WEP :-) ) make all conversations accessible to public.
Yes, I think all APs are currently running on WPA2.
Thank you VERY much, Victor! - Mike
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Michael Kennedy wrote:
I'm hoping to roll out FS where some areas in a building are wired, and other areas are on WiFi, and to deploy some SIP phones in both areas.If you can still find an inexpensive http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/network_storage/freeagent_dockstar Seagate FreeAgent DockStar (used to be on sale for as low as $13.99/each), you certainly can use it to host your FS. It is an ARM platform clocked @1.2GHz with 128/256MB RAM/NAND, 4 USB2 ports, and a single Gigabit RJ-45 port. Unless you already have a NAT/Firewall WiFi router, all you need is an additional USB WiFi dongle to make it WiFi-able.
I expected that many phone suppliers would have handsets with EITHER
RJ45 or WiFi connectivity to the LAN, or even both! I've found only a single device, a Cisco SPA525G2! Furthermore, searching the FS site, and various VoIP sites, and running general searches, I've found no other SIP WiFi phones that look like standard desktop handsets. These days, more and more people are using smartphone.
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I expected that many phone suppliers would have handsets with EITHER
RJ45 or WiFi connectivity to the LAN, or even both! I've found only a single device, a Cisco SPA525G2! Furthermore, searching the FS site, and various VoIP sites, and running general searches, I've found no other SIP WiFi phones that look like standard desktop handsets.
These days, more and more people are using smartphone.
Yes, I appreciate that. However, *I*'m very old!, and probably much too conservative, as are some clients - though we're still using lots of Linux, IT, and, maybe, FS! Some employees already use smartphones, but I believe the client is REDUCING the support and usage of these, because of the very high costs, and no proportional benefits, and opportunities to just "waste" lots of employee time on them, etc... - Mike.
For a desktop phone you may also use a powerline adapter when no copper network is there. Best regards Peter Michael Kennedy schrieb:
I expected that many phone suppliers would have handsets with EITHER
RJ45 or WiFi connectivity to the LAN, or even both! I've found only a single device, a Cisco SPA525G2! Furthermore, searching the FS site, and various VoIP sites, and running general searches, I've found no other SIP WiFi phones that look like standard desktop handsets.
These days, more and more people are using smartphone.
Yes, I appreciate that.
However, *I*'m very old!, and probably much too conservative, as are some clients - though we're still using lots of Linux, IT, and, maybe, FS!
Some employees already use smartphones, but I believe the client is REDUCING the support and usage of these, because of the very high costs, and no proportional benefits, and opportunities to just "waste" lots of employee time on them, etc...
- Mike.
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Thank you, Peter. I also had not considered that option! About 6-7-8+ years ago, we used these devices for some clients, and they worked reasonably well. However, (for the sake of lurkers here!): - they were slow-ish, - they were very problematic in buildings where 3-phase was used, and in old buildings with mysterious/multiple mains runs, - they were very problematic if some desktop PCs had PSUs from specific manufacturers (presumably cheap-and-nasty devices). This was a huge problem, and required the replacement of apparently working PSUs is the PCs. No other office devices (faxes, monitors, photocopiers, kettles, microwaves even!, etc, etc, presented these problems). So, we've not used them in the past few years - even though their performance might have improved significantly. We'll certainly take another look at them, especially where the mains cabling is new/simple. Thank you. - Mike On 03/04/2011 00:55, Peter Steinbach wrote:
For a desktop phone you may also use a powerline adapter when no copper network is there.
Best regards Peter
Mazilo, My apologies for not acknowledging your comments on the Dockstar: when I looked at your email initially, your Dockstar comments appeared in the "quoted" text section, and I did not even read them - until a few moments ago when I was reviewing all the posts here...
I'm hoping to roll out FS where some areas in a building are wired, and other areas are on WiFi, and to deploy some SIP phones in both areas.If you can still find an inexpensive http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/network_storage/freeagent_dockstar Seagate FreeAgent DockStar (used to be on sale for as low as $13.99/each), you certainly can use it to host your FS. It is an ARM platform clocked @1.2GHz with 128/256MB RAM/NAND, 4 USB2 ports, and a single Gigabit RJ-45 port. Unless you already have a NAT/Firewall WiFi router, all you need is an additional USB WiFi dongle to make it WiFi-able.
I'll certainly look at that - thank you. Each office already has a Linux server (Ubuntu 8.04/10.04, mainly as a file- and comms-server, FW, router, etc), which is mostly just "relaxing" all day, and I'm thinking of putting FS on these boxes, and use the existing APs where WiFi is active. However... that Dockstar looks extremely interesting, and incredibly cheap! I'll certainly investigate it, and see where it might fit in. Thank you. - Mike
I expected that many phone suppliers would have handsets with EITHER RJ45 or WiFi connectivity to the LAN, or even both! I've found only a single device, a Cisco SPA525G2! Furthermore, searching the FS site, and various VoIP sites, and running general searches, I've found no other SIP WiFi phones that look like standard desktop handsets.
I'd appreciate any pointers to WiFi devices that are recommended with FS. Preferably "standard-looking" desktop units, and better still, if they had wired "sisters" - in appearance and functionality!
If your clients have "smart"-phones with WLAN : http://www.counterpath.com/bria-android-edition.html (offers G.729, haven't used it) http://www.sipdroid.com/ (using this for myself with FS) For sure there are more solutions out there. - Thomas
If your clients have "smart"-phones with WLAN :
http://www.counterpath.com/bria-android-edition.html (offers G.729, haven't used it)
http://www.sipdroid.com/ (using this for myself with FS)
These are most interesting links/products, Thomas. Thank you very much. I knew nothing about either, and have spent the past 2 hours reading up about them - and have "only started"! Very many thanks. - Mike
I've had some decent success with a couple Unidata phones. My only qualms were lack of transfer buttons, which you can get around by using specified star codes. http://www.udcsystems.com/product/sq3000.php I believe the Snom M3 has WiFi support as well, which might be a great option if these clients are of higher importance. <http://www.udcsystems.com/product/sq3000.php>As for smartphone sip clients, I've a strong love for Bria on the iPhone (aside from the battery kill while letting it background). cSipSimple on the Android market is very nice, integrates with the OS and native phone system quite well without such a dramatic hit to the battery as far as I can tell. On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Michael Kennedy <Info@kennedysoftware.ie>wrote:
If your clients have "smart"-phones with WLAN :
http://www.counterpath.com/bria-android-edition.html (offers G.729, haven't used it)
http://www.sipdroid.com/ (using this for myself with FS)
These are most interesting links/products, Thomas. Thank you very much.
I knew nothing about either, and have spent the past 2 hours reading up about them - and have "only started"!
Very many thanks. - Mike
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Very many thanks, Brad.
I've had some decent success with a couple Unidata phones. My only qualms were lack of transfer buttons, which you can get around by using specified star codes. http://www.udcsystems.com/product/sq3000.php I believe the Snom M3 has WiFi support as well, which might be a great option if these clients are of higher importance.
As for smartphone sip clients, I've a strong love for Bria on the iPhone (aside from the battery kill while letting it background). cSipSimple on the Android market is very nice, integrates with the OS and native phone system quite well without such a dramatic hit to the battery as far as I can tell.
Very valuable info, and all neatly filed away already! - Mike.
And if they are using iPhones we have been very happy with Acrobits Softwphone and Groundwite from http://www.acrobits.cz/27/acrobits-mobile-voip-solutions, also available for android now. On Apr 4, 2011, at 3:38 AM, Michael Kennedy wrote:
If your clients have "smart"-phones with WLAN :
http://www.counterpath.com/bria-android-edition.html (offers G.729, haven't used it)
http://www.sipdroid.com/ (using this for myself with FS)
These are most interesting links/products, Thomas. Thank you very much.
I knew nothing about either, and have spent the past 2 hours reading up about them - and have "only started"!
Very many thanks. - Mike
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I have a lot of customers with iPhones and installed Media5Fone (http://www.media5corp.com/en/softphones/media5-fone-iphone). They use it even on UMTS and GPRS EDGE (with g729) networks beside WiFi without big problems. This solution works well, even with TLS and SRTP! Anestis -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Mario G Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 12:58 AM To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Recommended SIP IP Wifi Handsets? And if they are using iPhones we have been very happy with Acrobits Softwphone and Groundwite from http://www.acrobits.cz/27/acrobits-mobile-voip-solutions, also available for android now. On Apr 4, 2011, at 3:38 AM, Michael Kennedy wrote:
If your clients have "smart"-phones with WLAN :
http://www.counterpath.com/bria-android-edition.html (offers G.729,
haven't used it)
http://www.sipdroid.com/ (using this for myself with FS)
These are most interesting links/products, Thomas. Thank you very much.
I knew nothing about either, and have spent the past 2 hours reading up
about them - and have "only started"!
Very many thanks.
- Mike
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And if they are using iPhones we have been very happy with Acrobits Softwphone and Groundwite from http://www.acrobits.cz/27/acrobits-mobile-voip-solutions, also available for android now.
Thank you, Mario. I think a few employees have iPhones, but, as I mentioned previously, I think the penetration of smartphones might reduce rather than increase! I don't know if any have Androids. This info is MOST valuable - thank you. - Mike.
We have the SPA962s and if they are the same as they 525... searches stink! No way to lookup number by alpha. Also, paging function only activates if it finds a SPA9000 which we replaced with FreeSwitch. YMMV. On Apr 4, 2011, at 1:48 AM, Thomas Mueller wrote:
I expected that many phone suppliers would have handsets with EITHER RJ45 or WiFi connectivity to the LAN, or even both! I've found only a single device, a Cisco SPA525G2! Furthermore, searching the FS site, and various VoIP sites, and running general searches, I've found no other SIP WiFi phones that look like standard desktop handsets.
I'd appreciate any pointers to WiFi devices that are recommended with FS. Preferably "standard-looking" desktop units, and better still, if they had wired "sisters" - in appearance and functionality!
If your clients have "smart"-phones with WLAN :
http://www.counterpath.com/bria-android-edition.html (offers G.729, haven't used it)
http://www.sipdroid.com/ (using this for myself with FS)
For sure there are more solutions out there.
- Thomas
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Anestis Mavro
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Brad Mina
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Campbell Steven
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Mario G
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mazilo
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Michael Kennedy
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Peter Steinbach
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Thomas Mueller
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Victor Chukalovskiy