Re: [Freeswitch-users] Open source softphone that can handle g729
sip communicator is crap. Its trying to do way too much and does not a single thing very well at all.
Well, that's a bit vague. Maybe if you've had/have specific issues with it, you could drop us a note so that we could fix them. In any case the project has improved a lot during the last years, and even months so you might want to give it another try one of these days.
If they have G729 its not legal to use.
Yes we do have it, and it was implemented as a part of our participation in GSoC 2009. People can use it perfectly legally as long as they buy the corresponding licenses (just as with any other client). Currently use of the codec is disabled by default and whoever needs it has to enable it in the code, after acquiring the necessary license. Cheers, Emil
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On Mar 20, 2010, at 8:24 AM, Raffaele P. Guidi wrote:
I believe sip communicator does handle g729. It has a strong community and a plugin model (based on osgi) that makes it easily (ok, kinda...) customizable. Of course the FSComm/givesomemoneytotheproject option is the best one. In any case: http://sip-communicator.org/
Ciao, R
Here are two softphone supporting g729 http://www.flaphone.com/help.php#about http://trac.qutecom.org/wiki/SupportedCodecs Also the above softphone may provide good UI ideas for FSComm
On Mar 21, 2010, at 5:05 AM, Emil Ivov wrote:
sip communicator is crap. Its trying to do way too much and does not a single thing very well at all.
Well, that's a bit vague. Maybe if you've had/have specific issues with it, you could drop us a note so that we could fix them.
Overall UI behavior is not well tested. Too many options, too many clicks to actually get to what you want to do. Video with H264 doesn't work so well from SIP-Communicator to SIP-Communicator as recent as last weeks build. I'm pretty sure my expectations are higher then most people's as I find bugs in everything I get my hands on. I usually give up at around two or three bugs. I understand you're open source as are we and thats hard work. I'm fairly critical of everything so you can ignore me most of the time.
In any case the project has improved a lot during the last years, and even months so you might want to give it another try one of these days.
See comment above, Not sure what was going on or what was wrong... it just didn't work as expected or like EyeBeam or X-lite does.
If they have G729 its not legal to use.
Yes we do have it, and it was implemented as a part of our participation in GSoC 2009. People can use it perfectly legally as long as they buy the corresponding licenses (just as with any other client).
You're facilitating infringement. Nobody can buy a license legally for a hand full of channels.
Currently use of the codec is disabled by default and whoever needs it has to enable it in the code, after acquiring the necessary license.
Like they really go get a license, where are they going to do this for one channel?
Cheers, Emil
On 03/22/2010 07:57 AM, Brian West wrote:
On Mar 21, 2010, at 5:05 AM, Emil Ivov wrote:
sip communicator is crap. Its trying to do way too much and does not a single thing very well at all.
Well, that's a bit vague. Maybe if you've had/have specific issues with it, you could drop us a note so that we could fix them.
Overall UI behavior is not well tested. Too many options, too many clicks to actually get to what you want to do. Video with H264 doesn't work so well from SIP-Communicator to SIP-Communicator as recent as last weeks build. I'm pretty sure my expectations are higher then most people's as I find bugs in everything I get my hands on. I usually give up at around two or three bugs. I understand you're open source as are we and thats hard work. I'm fairly critical of everything so you can ignore me most of the time.
In any case the project has improved a lot during the last years, and even months so you might want to give it another try one of these days.
See comment above, Not sure what was going on or what was wrong... it just didn't work as expected or like EyeBeam or X-lite does.
If they have G729 its not legal to use.
Yes we do have it, and it was implemented as a part of our participation in GSoC 2009. People can use it perfectly legally as long as they buy the corresponding licenses (just as with any other client).
You're facilitating infringement. Nobody can buy a license legally for a hand full of channels.
Sadly, that's true. For a while you could get one off licences for the G.729 patent pool, though I'm not clear if the people outside the pool ever offered one off licences for their patents - one isn't much use without the other. These days, neither the patents in the pool, or the patents outside, can be licenced for small numbers of channels. I know these patent pools need to be very wary of things like RICO charges in the US, but once a standard has become a gating point - G.729, H.264, V.34, V.90 etc - we really are better off with comprehensive patent pools, overseen by those who police corruption.
Currently use of the codec is disabled by default and whoever needs it has to enable it in the code, after acquiring the necessary license.
Like they really go get a license, where are they going to do this for one channel?
Steve
На 22.03.10 00:57, Brian West написа:
Well, that's a bit vague. Maybe if you've had/have specific issues with it, you could drop us a note so that we could fix them.
Overall UI behavior is not well tested. Too many options, too many clicks to actually get to what you want to do.
Well, I am still not sure I see which options you have in mind so if you ever come across them again, don't hesitate to drop us (or me) a note.
Video with H264 doesn't work so well from SIP-Communicator to SIP-Communicator as recent as last weeks build.
Right, depending on the OS and the device, this one does have some issues. We have developers looking at them, and expect to see them resolved in the following couple of weeks. Could let you know when done, if interested.
See comment above, Not sure what was going on or what was wrong... it just didn't work as expected or like EyeBeam or X-lite does.
Quality-wise, I certainly don't agree. As for look and feel, the projects are hard to compare since they are simply different applications with pretty different objectives. This doesn't mean either of them is ... crap. Cheers, Emil
Well in general the current state of Soft Phones that just work and look great is lacking. /b On Mar 21, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Emil Ivov wrote:
See comment above, Not sure what was going on or what was wrong... it just didn't work as expected or like EyeBeam or X-lite does.
Quality-wise, I certainly don't agree. As for look and feel, the projects are hard to compare since they are simply different applications with pretty different objectives. This doesn't mean either of them is ... crap.
Cheers, Emil
Emil, can you just clarify: If we have our pool of licenses set up on the server, is it then just a matter of enabling g729 in the code? (Or are additional licenses needed on the client somehow?) Cheers, Fraser On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Emil Ivov <emcho@sip-communicator.org>wrote:
Yes we do have it, and it was implemented as a part of our participation in GSoC 2009. People can use it perfectly legally as long as they buy the corresponding licenses (just as with any other client).
Currently use of the codec is disabled by default and whoever needs it has to enable it in the code, after acquiring the necessary license.
Cheers, Emil
/b
On Mar 20, 2010, at 8:24 AM, Raffaele P. Guidi wrote:
I believe sip communicator does handle g729. It has a strong community and a plugin model (based on osgi) that makes it easily (ok, kinda...) customizable. Of course the FSComm/givesomemoneytotheproject option is the best one. In any case: http://sip-communicator.org/
Ciao, R
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On 03/23/2010 01:23 AM, Fraser Redmond wrote:
Emil, can you just clarify: If we have our pool of licenses set up on the server, is it then just a matter of enabling g729 in the code? (Or are additional licenses needed on the client somehow?)
Cheers, Fraser The conditions for G.729 patent licencing say each point in the chain which transcodes must be licenced. You need a licence for the client and a licence for the server, unless the server is operating in pass-through mode. Licences are not transferrable. You can't buy, say, a licence for the Freeswitch G.729 codec, but actually run a copy of the Java code from SIP Communicator. The products must be individually licenced. Those are the rules set by the licencing pool.
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Emil Ivov <emcho@sip-communicator.org <mailto:emcho@sip-communicator.org>> wrote:
Yes we do have it, and it was implemented as a part of our participation in GSoC 2009. People can use it perfectly legally as long as they buy the corresponding licenses (just as with any other client).
Currently use of the codec is disabled by default and whoever needs it has to enable it in the code, after acquiring the necessary license.
Cheers, Emil
> > /b > > On Mar 20, 2010, at 8:24 AM, Raffaele P. Guidi wrote: > >> I believe sip communicator does handle g729. It has a strong >> community and a plugin model (based on osgi) that makes it easily >> (ok, kinda...) customizable. Of course the >> FSComm/givesomemoneytotheproject option is the best one. In any >> case: http://sip-communicator.org/ >> >> Ciao, R
Steve
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Brian West
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Emil Ivov
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Fraser Redmond
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Steve Underwood