Interesting article about GPL and lawsuits http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/7145/1/
too bad westinghouse is going to go belly up. /b On Aug 9, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Jan Berger wrote:
Interesting article about GPL and lawsuits
http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/7145/1/
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On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Brian West <brian@freeswitch.org> wrote:
too bad westinghouse is going to go belly up.
(and after all Tesla did for the company to help them compete against edison too, using all original thinking and creating things, seems they have lost their way a long time ago)
/b
On Aug 9, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Jan Berger wrote:
Interesting article about GPL and lawsuits
http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/7145/1/
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Open source starts to be Open Fools ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Graziano To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] GPL Wins Again On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Brian West <brian@freeswitch.org> wrote: too bad westinghouse is going to go belly up. (and after all Tesla did for the company to help them compete against edison too, using all original thinking and creating things, seems they have lost their way a long time ago) /b On Aug 9, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Jan Berger wrote: > Interesting article about GPL and lawsuits > > http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/7145/1/ > > > _______________________________________________ > FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > http://www.freeswitch.org _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
I read well don't worry, I say that because companies start to instrumentalize open source. so after years some developers (for google summer source code for ex) realise that they spent all their lifetime for a big company for free... that is why I called Open Fools.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian West" <brian@freeswitch.org> To: "FreeSWITCH Users Help" <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] GPL Wins Again
Can we please learn to properly reply to posts? Highlight and only include the parts you're replying to. These 10 mile long threads with the footer 100 times gets kinda old! ;)
/b
On Aug 9, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Madovsky wrote:
Open source starts to be Open Fools
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On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Madovsky <infos@madovsky.org> wrote:
I read well don't worry, I say that because companies start to instrumentalize open source. so after years some developers (for google summer source code for ex) realise that they spent all their lifetime for a big company for free... that is why I called Open Fools....
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I speak for myself (as an individual) here : I disagree with your characterization. Open source is engineers collaborating informally on a shared piece of basic infrastructure code so as to amortize engineering cost, testing cost and beta testing. As an open source developer, you give away something to get a lot in return so you can build on the sum total of collaborative effort. Open source is also an excellent way for students to establish a track record. Yes it is free labor but try getting a job these days as a fresh graduate with no experience and you will see what I am talking about. Ranga -- M. Ranganathan
its' also an excellent way for big companies to avoid to pay employees to make all the dev work also.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Ranganathan" <mranga@gmail.com> To: "FreeSWITCH Users Help" <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] GPL Wins Again
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Madovsky <infos@madovsky.org> wrote:
I read well don't worry, I say that because companies start to instrumentalize open source. so after years some developers (for google summer source code for ex) realise that they spent all their lifetime for a big company for free... that is why I called Open Fools....
----- Original Message -----
I speak for myself (as an individual) here :
I disagree with your characterization. Open source is engineers collaborating informally on a shared piece of basic infrastructure code so as to amortize engineering cost, testing cost and beta testing. As an open source developer, you give away something to get a lot in return so you can build on the sum total of collaborative effort.
Open source is also an excellent way for students to establish a track record. Yes it is free labor but try getting a job these days as a fresh graduate with no experience and you will see what I am talking about.
Ranga
-- M. Ranganathan
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On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Madovsky <infos@madovsky.org> wrote:
its' also an excellent way for big companies to avoid to pay employees to make all the dev work also....
Indeed it is. Most of us in the OSS world say, "So what?" We've given our work away for "free" in return for other considerations: free advertising, free distribution (via Internet downloads), bragging rights, and growing a software-based ecosystem that allows us to tap into other revenue streams like private consulting or even writing a book. If big companies "take" our stuff and use it then they're growing the ecosystem. The choice of OSS licenses available to us gives us the necessary protection from large corporations hijacking our stuff. (This includes things like CC for documents, photos, sounds/music, etc.) A lot of OSS is so good that corporations that use it find that they need more of it. Some of them hire community members as consultants or employees. It can frequently be a win-win scenario, and even when it isn't, it is still better than the lose-lose scenario of closed/proprietary lock-down. OSS has WAY more upside than downside. -MC
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Michael Collins <msc@freeswitch.org> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Madovsky <infos@madovsky.org> wrote:
its' also an excellent way for big companies to avoid to pay employees to make all the dev work also....
Indeed it is. Most of us in the OSS world say, "So what?" We've given our work away for "free" in return for other considerations: free advertising, free distribution (via Internet downloads), bragging rights, and growing a software-based ecosystem that allows us to tap into other revenue streams like private consulting or even writing a book. If big companies "take" our stuff and use it then they're growing the ecosystem. The choice of OSS licenses available to us gives us the necessary protection from large corporations hijacking our stuff. (This includes things like CC for documents, photos, sounds/music, etc.)
Many big companies ( IBM for example ) pay employees to contribute to open source. I am an employee of a company that has paid me to contribute to open source. I have also given away many of my contributions in the past and am very glad to report that they are alive and well. That is a terrific feeling. On the other hand, if only I had a penny for each closed source byte I have contributed to the big bit bucket in the sky.... Further, OSS is really the ONLY way for little guys to compete. Linux would have never become what it is if it were a bit company closed source project. -- M. Ranganathan
Le Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:11:47 -0400, "M. Ranganathan" <mranga@gmail.com> a écrit : ...
Many big companies ( IBM for example ) pay employees to contribute to open source. I am an employee of a company that has paid me to contribute to open source. I have also given away many of my contributions in the past and am very glad to report that they are alive and well. That is a terrific feeling. On the other hand, if only I had a penny for each closed source byte I have contributed to the big bit bucket in the sky....
Further, OSS is really the ONLY way for little guys to compete. Linux would have never become what it is if it were a bit company closed source project.
Not only! A small anecdote: in france, there are about 400 theaters of "arts & essais" (mean they project unknown and low budgets films usually from not so well known directors that would never be in the regular circuit), they all use the same software which was first a closed source. The software company bankrupted and the former CEO refused to release the source until a wise judge ordered him to do so. This withholding put theaters in troubles because of law changes that add some mandatory printing on the tickets and because of some weird bugs too. The company that was asked to continue the work took serious decisions: a total rewrite into java for people that wanted to use another OS than w$ (these theaters have very little money, so a w$ license is a hi spending for them) and they put the software into open-source. At this time, some theaters' guys with programming skills are cooperating with the software company to improve the software, theaters are now sure whatever will happen to the company they won't ever be blocked and the quality of the software is now so high that you can leave the control computer on 24/7. So, advantages aren't reserved to the programmer, they're also shared by the client. JY -- If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.
On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:11 PM, M. Ranganathan wrote:
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Michael Collins <msc@freeswitch.org> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Madovsky <infos@madovsky.org> wrote:
its' also an excellent way for big companies to avoid to pay employees to make all the dev work also....
Indeed it is. Most of us in the OSS world say, "So what?" We've given our work away for "free" in return for other considerations: free advertising, free distribution (via Internet downloads), bragging rights, and growing a software-based ecosystem that allows us to tap into other revenue streams like private consulting or even writing a book. If big companies "take" our stuff and use it then they're growing the ecosystem. The choice of OSS licenses available to us gives us the necessary protection from large corporations hijacking our stuff. (This includes things like CC for documents, photos, sounds/music, etc.)
Many big companies ( IBM for example ) pay employees to contribute to open source. I am an employee of a company that has paid me to contribute to open source. I have also given away many of my contributions in the past and am very glad to report that they are alive and well. That is a terrific feeling. On the other hand, if only I had a penny for each closed source byte I have contributed to the big bit bucket in the sky....
Further, OSS is really the ONLY way for little guys to compete. Linux would have never become what it is if it were a bit company closed source project.
-- M. Ranganathan
Another perfect example of corporate contribution to open source would be FreeSWITCH itself. I am an employee of Barracuda Networks, and part of my job is to contribute to FreeSWITCH. This is also the case for some other members of the core FreeSWITCH team. We spend considerable time working on open source software, but also depend on the contributions of the community at large. Open source and corporate involvement seem to me to be a perfect match with winners on both sides. There will always be those people and companies that will try to take advantage of this without contributing back, but this is nearly impossible. There is inevitably bug reports and fixes that will come from these organizations when they have issues, or contracting revenue to some member of the community when they need help. We all contribute in some way. This is how open source ecosystems work, requiring both selfless personal and corporate involvement. FreeSWITCH was designed from the start in both architecture and licensing to attract the most of both personal and corporate use as a way to build a larger more vibrant community of developers building a wide range of solutions. Over the last year we have seen the release of Cudatel (http://www.cudatel.com), of a book (https://www.packtpub.com/), open source web user interfaces such as 2600hz project blue.box (http://www.2600hz.org) and FusionPBX (http://www.fusionpbx.com/). Features added this year such as T.38 support, Broadsoft SCA support, and sip high availability support would all not have happened without corporate support, and FreeTDM is now maintained by Sangoma. The addition and maintenance of many freeswitch modules are now supported entirely by individuals such as mod_vmd and mod_avmd contributed by Eric des Courtis and mod_limit/hash/db by Rupa Schomaker. I'd personally like to thank all members of the FreeSWITCH community for all your ongoing support. Mike
Many large companies do that. They use OSS and can't contribute OSS back, but are happy with some employees using parts of their time here maintaining the bits they use. Glad it worked out for you Mike. <snip> Another perfect example of corporate contribution to open source would be FreeSWITCH itself. I am an employee of Barracuda Networks, and part of my job is to contribute to FreeSWITCH. This is also the case for some other members of the core FreeSWITCH team. We spend considerable time working on open source software, but also depend on the contributions of the community at large. Open source and corporate involvement seem to me to be a perfect match with winners on both sides. There will always be those people and companies that will try to take advantage of this without contributing back, but this is nearly impossible. There is inevitably bug reports and fixes that will come from these organizations when they have issues, or contracting revenue to some member of the community when they need help. We all contribute in some way. This is how open source ecosystems work, requiring both selfless personal and corporate involvement. FreeSWITCH was designed from the start in both architecture and licensing to attract the most of both personal and corporate use as a way to build a larger more vibrant community of developers building a wide range of solutions. Over the last year we have seen the release of Cudatel (http://www.cudatel.com), of a book (https://www.packtpub.com/), open source web user interfaces such as 2600hz project blue.box (http://www.2600hz.org) and FusionPBX (http://www.fusionpbx.com/). Features added this year such as T.38 support, Broadsoft SCA support, and sip high availability support would all not have happened without corporate support, and FreeTDM is now maintained by Sangoma. The addition and maintenance of many freeswitch modules are now supported entirely by individuals such as mod_vmd and mod_avmd contributed by Eric des Courtis and mod_limit/hash/db by Rupa Schomaker. I'd personally like to thank all members of the FreeSWITCH community for all your ongoing support. Mike
participants (8)
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Brian West
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Jan Berger
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Jean-Yves F. Barbier
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M. Ranganathan
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Madovsky
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Michael Collins
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Michael Jerris
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Tony Graziano