Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729
Imagine MP3 with the same licence of G729... let's put all the world in the jail !!! :D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Madovsky" <infos@madovsky.org> To: "FreeSWITCH Users Help" <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729
it's companies that create private licence for public use you need to put in jail....
----- Original Message ----- From: "Meftah Tayeb" <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com> To: "FreeSWITCH Users Help" <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Cc: "Gustavo Espeche" <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729
do it and end up in jail. Le 30/01/2011 00:23, Gustavo Espeche a écrit :
Hello, some one can compile open g729 to work with freeswitch? http://www.readytechnology.co.uk/open/ipp-codecs-g729-g723.1/
i appreciate a lot if some one has some experience in it. Best Regards.
Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com
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Hello, there is only one valid point for g.729 *free* It can be used in countries where G.729 licence do not apply, without reinstrictions. I can not name them, but i suppose you all know the list. 2011/1/30 Madovsky <infos@madovsky.org>:
Imagine MP3 with the same licence of G729... let's put all the world in the jail !!! :D
----- Original Message ----- From: "Madovsky" <infos@madovsky.org> To: "FreeSWITCH Users Help" <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729
it's companies that create private licence for public use you need to put in jail....
----- Original Message ----- From: "Meftah Tayeb" <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com> To: "FreeSWITCH Users Help" <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Cc: "Gustavo Espeche" <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729
do it and end up in jail. Le 30/01/2011 00:23, Gustavo Espeche a écrit :
Hello, some one can compile open g729 to work with freeswitch? http://www.readytechnology.co.uk/open/ipp-codecs-g729-g723.1/
i appreciate a lot if some one has some experience in it. Best Regards.
Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com
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this one doesn't work in production mode. some calls are cut with this version of G729 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grygoriy Dobrovolskyy" <megahohol@gmail.com> To: "FreeSWITCH Users Help" <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729 Hello, there is only one valid point for g.729 *free* It can be used in countries where G.729 licence do not apply, without reinstrictions. I can not name them, but i suppose you all know the list. 2011/1/30 Madovsky <infos@madovsky.org>:
Imagine MP3 with the same licence of G729... let's put all the world in the jail !!! :D
----- Original Message ----- From: "Madovsky" <infos@madovsky.org> To: "FreeSWITCH Users Help" <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729
it's companies that create private licence for public use you need to put in jail....
----- Original Message ----- From: "Meftah Tayeb" <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com> To: "FreeSWITCH Users Help" <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Cc: "Gustavo Espeche" <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729
do it and end up in jail. Le 30/01/2011 00:23, Gustavo Espeche a écrit :
Hello, some one can compile open g729 to work with freeswitch? http://www.readytechnology.co.uk/open/ipp-codecs-g729-g723.1/
i appreciate a lot if some one has some experience in it. Best Regards.
Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com
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Funny you mention it, but MP3 does have several patents covering aspects of it that expire between 2007 (fine) and 2017 (not so fine). There have been various companies at various times that have claimed licenses are required to encode/decode it. Fraunhofer Institute being a good example - they earned 100million euros in 2005 from mp3 licenses. In1998 they sent a lot of letters out to developers of software using mp3 stating that they needed a licence. I guess the difference from G729 is that a) enough people in the general public use it and want to continue using it and b) the patent holders have declined to enforce license fees on free/foss software, only focussing on commerical software, so there's plenty of stuff around that can use it without worrying too much about the patents. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Licensing_and_patent_issues -Steve On 30 January 2011 18:46, Madovsky <infos@madovsky.org> wrote:
Imagine MP3 with the same licence of G729... let's put all the world in the jail !!! :D
----- Original Message ----- From: "Madovsky" <infos@madovsky.org> To: "FreeSWITCH Users Help" <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729
it's companies that create private licence for public use you need to put in jail....
----- Original Message ----- From: "Meftah Tayeb" <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com> To: "FreeSWITCH Users Help" <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Cc: "Gustavo Espeche" <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729
do it and end up in jail. Le 30/01/2011 00:23, Gustavo Espeche a écrit :
Hello, some one can compile open g729 to work with freeswitch? http://www.readytechnology.co.uk/open/ipp-codecs-g729-g723.1/
i appreciate a lot if some one has some experience in it. Best Regards.
Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com
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yes I know the story, but by the fact that even they made millions the first years, they finally revoked to pursuit all developers and users. that's the power of mass people... it's like the transistor (invented by 2 germans). imagine if they decided to get money of every transistor sold in the world from a private patent. they would be maybe 100 times more rich that Bill Gates. waht a wisdom when they decided (with a smile) to use a patent in public domain... these guys rocked.... the opposite, apple gets royalties of every mouse made in the world.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Ayre To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729 Funny you mention it, but MP3 does have several patents covering aspects of it that expire between 2007 (fine) and 2017 (not so fine). There have been various companies at various times that have claimed licenses are required to encode/decode it. Fraunhofer Institute being a good example - they earned 100million euros in 2005 from mp3 licenses. In1998 they sent a lot of letters out to developers of software using mp3 stating that they needed a licence. I guess the difference from G729 is that a) enough people in the general public use it and want to continue using it and b) the patent holders have declined to enforce license fees on free/foss software, only focussing on commerical software, so there's plenty of stuff around that can use it without worrying too much about the patents. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Licensing_and_patent_issues -Steve On 30 January 2011 18:46, Madovsky <infos@madovsky.org> wrote: Imagine MP3 with the same licence of G729... let's put all the world in the jail !!! :D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Madovsky" <infos@madovsky.org> To: "FreeSWITCH Users Help" <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729 > it's companies that create > private licence for public use > you need to put in jail.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Meftah Tayeb" <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com> > To: "FreeSWITCH Users Help" <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> > Cc: "Gustavo Espeche" <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729 > > > do it and end up in jail. > Le 30/01/2011 00:23, Gustavo Espeche a écrit : >> Hello, >> some one can compile open g729 to work with freeswitch? >> http://www.readytechnology.co.uk/open/ipp-codecs-g729-g723.1/ >> >> i appreciate a lot if some one has some experience in it. >> Best Regards. >> >> Gustavo Espeche >> www.easyipcall.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FreeSWITCH-users mailing list >> FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org >> http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users >> UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users >> http://www.freeswitch.org >> > > > -- > Meftah Tayeb > inum: +883510001288000 > phone: +13477595883 > > > _______________________________________________ > FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > http://www.freeswitch.org _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
On 01/31/2011 04:32 AM, Steven Ayre wrote:
Funny you mention it, but MP3 does have several patents covering aspects of it that expire between 2007 (fine) and 2017 (not so fine). There have been various companies at various times that have claimed licenses are required to encode/decode it. Fraunhofer Institute being a good example - they earned 100million euros in 2005 from mp3 licenses. In1998 they sent a lot of letters out to developers of software using mp3 stating that they needed a licence.
I guess the difference from G729 is that a) enough people in the general public use it and want to continue using it and b) the patent holders have declined to enforce license fees on free/foss software, only focussing on commerical software, so there's plenty of stuff around that can use it without worrying too much about the patents.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Licensing_and_patent_issues
-Steve I think the main difference is the MP3 patent holders had to take a somewhat relaxed attitude to patent enforcement in the early day, to get MP3 usage to the point where people were fairly well locked in. Even then, Apple chose not to use MP3, so there was never the level of lock in they would have liked. This is lead to a somewhat relaxed attitude to patent enforcement for small offenders.
G.729 got a tight grip on IP phones from the very first IP phones. The market very quickly got to the point where the only codecs you could rely on two talk between two phones were G.711 and G.729. With that level of lock-in, the G.729 patent holders have had no reason to hold back, and lawyers letters go out to any minor offenders they can find. Steve
Steven Ayre wrote:
Funny you mention it, but MP3 does have several patents covering aspects of it that expire between 2007 (fine) and 2017 (not so fine). There have been various companies at various times that have claimed licenses are required to encode/decode it. Fraunhofer Institute being a good example - they earned 100million euros in 2005 from mp3 licenses. In1998 they sent a lot of letters out to developers of software using mp3 stating that they needed a licence. Does that mean it is illegal for us to use FS mainly because it includes lame-3.97 because some of the FS modules are also linked to it?
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Grygoriy Dobrovolskyy
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Madovsky
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mazilo
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Steve Underwood
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Steven Ayre