I'm with Ken, faxing needs to die. Of faxes being sent now, I wonder how many originate and/or terminate via a fax to email gateway. These and the possibility that your call will be sent via VoIP somewhere along the way should strip away the false idea that faxing is secure because it travels over the PSTN. The OP is testing to K7, which is in part a fax to email service. Incidentally, the system that terminates K7 faxes is a FreeSwitch box. :-) -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org]On Behalf Of envelopes envelopes Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 1:06 PM To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] send fax via google voice. Great! please go ahead claim lawyers' ignorance and lobby german that email pdf is a document as equivalent as fax. We are looking forward to you next great accomplish. 囧 On Mar 7, 2011 9:41 AM, "Ken Rice" < krice@freeswitch.org <mailto:krice@freeswitch.org> > wrote:
Whats the old saying? Ignorance is bliss? Heh
Just because and end user perceives it as being more secure doesn¹t make it so... Even faxing over voip you just tcpdump out the rtp and process it thru and you can recover then entire exchange... Same thing with a laptop, a sound card, and a wav recorder with a cheap passive phone tap... Only difference with legacy PSTN vs VoIP is its easier to hack a box somewhere along the way and intercept the traffic vs finding the trunk line carrying the traffic, however, it doesn¹t take long to figure out that there are tons of unsecure access points to the wire between your office and the CO... (even the fiber these days can be compromised relatively easily compared to what it was 10 years ago)
My whole point here is I am not malicious when it comes to this sort of thing but I know what can be done and how cheap the technology to pull off these things really is. I smart but I am far from the smartest guy and if I can figure out how to do this stuff many people can figure it out...
I¹m still say that the only secure computer is one fired into the sun on the tip of a rocket with no comms back to earth.. Then that¹s only secure until someone figures out how to retrieve it.
K
On 3/7/11 11:24 AM, "envelopes envelopes" < sunwood360@gmail.com <mailto:sunwood360@gmail.com> > wrote:
From the perspective of end user, it is pretty easier to hacker an end user' inbox globally. However, you need physical presence to grab fax documents.
Interesting to see the view from IT people is so different from non-technical people. After, any existence has its reason.
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old tools is still existing in poor countries and very useful... ----- Original Message ----- From: JRichey To: 'FreeSWITCH Users Help' Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] send fax via google voice. I'm with Ken, faxing needs to die. Of faxes being sent now, I wonder how many originate and/or terminate via a fax to email gateway. These and the possibility that your call will be sent via VoIP somewhere along the way should strip away the false idea that faxing is secure because it travels over the PSTN. The OP is testing to K7, which is in part a fax to email service. Incidentally, the system that terminates K7 faxes is a FreeSwitch box. :-) -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org]On Behalf Of envelopes envelopes Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 1:06 PM To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] send fax via google voice. Great! please go ahead claim lawyers' ignorance and lobby german that email pdf is a document as equivalent as fax. We are looking forward to you next great accomplish. 囧 On Mar 7, 2011 9:41 AM, "Ken Rice" <krice@freeswitch.org> wrote: > Whats the old saying? Ignorance is bliss? Heh > > Just because and end user perceives it as being more secure doesn¹t make it > so... Even faxing over voip you just tcpdump out the rtp and process it thru > and you can recover then entire exchange... Same thing with a laptop, a > sound card, and a wav recorder with a cheap passive phone tap... Only > difference with legacy PSTN vs VoIP is its easier to hack a box somewhere > along the way and intercept the traffic vs finding the trunk line carrying > the traffic, however, it doesn¹t take long to figure out that there are tons > of unsecure access points to the wire between your office and the CO... > (even the fiber these days can be compromised relatively easily compared to > what it was 10 years ago) > > My whole point here is I am not malicious when it comes to this sort of > thing but I know what can be done and how cheap the technology to pull off > these things really is. I smart but I am far from the smartest guy and if I > can figure out how to do this stuff many people can figure it out... > > I¹m still say that the only secure computer is one fired into the sun on the > tip of a rocket with no comms back to earth.. Then that¹s only secure until > someone figures out how to retrieve it. > > K > > > > On 3/7/11 11:24 AM, "envelopes envelopes" <sunwood360@gmail.com> wrote: > >> From the perspective of end user, it is pretty easier to hacker an end user' >> inbox globally. However, you need physical presence to grab fax documents. >> >> Interesting to see the view from IT people is so different from non-technical >> people. After, any existence has its reason. >> >> On Mar 6, 2011 8:56 AM, "Ken Rice" <krice@freeswitch.org> wrote: >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FreeSWITCH-users mailing list >> FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org >> http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users >> UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users >> http://www.freeswitch.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
At the rate we're going this crazy thread will be around longer than faxes... On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Madovsky <infos@madovsky.org> wrote:
old tools is still existing in poor countries and very useful...
----- Original Message ----- *From:* JRichey <jrichey@itltd.net> *To:* 'FreeSWITCH Users Help' <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> *Sent:* Monday, March 07, 2011 4:47 PM *Subject:* Re: [Freeswitch-users] send fax via google voice.
I'm with Ken, faxing needs to die.
Of faxes being sent now, I wonder how many originate and/or terminate via a fax to email gateway. These and the possibility that your call will be sent via VoIP somewhere along the way should strip away the false idea that faxing is secure because it travels over the PSTN. The OP is testing to K7, which is in part a fax to email service.
Incidentally, the system that terminates K7 faxes is a FreeSwitch box. :-)
-----Original Message----- *From:* freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org]*On Behalf Of *envelopes envelopes *Sent:* Monday, March 07, 2011 1:06 PM *To:* FreeSWITCH Users Help *Subject:* Re: [Freeswitch-users] send fax via google voice.
Great!
please go ahead claim lawyers' ignorance and lobby german that email pdf is a document as equivalent as fax. We are looking forward to you next great accomplish. 囧 On Mar 7, 2011 9:41 AM, "Ken Rice" <krice@freeswitch.org> wrote:
Whats the old saying? Ignorance is bliss? Heh
Just because and end user perceives it as being more secure doesn¹t make it so... Even faxing over voip you just tcpdump out the rtp and process it thru and you can recover then entire exchange... Same thing with a laptop, a sound card, and a wav recorder with a cheap passive phone tap... Only difference with legacy PSTN vs VoIP is its easier to hack a box somewhere along the way and intercept the traffic vs finding the trunk line carrying the traffic, however, it doesn¹t take long to figure out that there are tons of unsecure access points to the wire between your office and the CO... (even the fiber these days can be compromised relatively easily compared to what it was 10 years ago)
My whole point here is I am not malicious when it comes to this sort of thing but I know what can be done and how cheap the technology to pull off these things really is. I smart but I am far from the smartest guy and if I can figure out how to do this stuff many people can figure it out...
I¹m still say that the only secure computer is one fired into the sun on the tip of a rocket with no comms back to earth.. Then that¹s only secure until someone figures out how to retrieve it.
K
On 3/7/11 11:24 AM, "envelopes envelopes" <sunwood360@gmail.com> wrote:
From the perspective of end user, it is pretty easier to hacker an end user' inbox globally. However, you need physical presence to grab fax documents.
Interesting to see the view from IT people is so different from non-technical people. After, any existence has its reason.
On Mar 6, 2011 8:56 AM, "Ken Rice" <krice@freeswitch.org> wrote:
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Okay, to sum things up here, Yes it will work. But are you going to fax over google voice? It may have worked for a few, but definitely not for me. On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Michael Collins <msc@freeswitch.org> wrote:
At the rate we're going this crazy thread will be around longer than faxes...
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Madovsky <infos@madovsky.org> wrote:
old tools is still existing in poor countries and very useful...
----- Original Message ----- From: JRichey To: 'FreeSWITCH Users Help' Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] send fax via google voice.
I'm with Ken, faxing needs to die.
Of faxes being sent now, I wonder how many originate and/or terminate via a fax to email gateway. These and the possibility that your call will be sent via VoIP somewhere along the way should strip away the false idea that faxing is secure because it travels over the PSTN. The OP is testing to K7, which is in part a fax to email service.
Incidentally, the system that terminates K7 faxes is a FreeSwitch box. :-)
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org]On Behalf Of envelopes envelopes Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 1:06 PM To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] send fax via google voice.
Great!
please go ahead claim lawyers' ignorance and lobby german that email pdf is a document as equivalent as fax. We are looking forward to you next great accomplish. 囧
On Mar 7, 2011 9:41 AM, "Ken Rice" <krice@freeswitch.org> wrote:
Whats the old saying? Ignorance is bliss? Heh
Just because and end user perceives it as being more secure doesn¹t make it so... Even faxing over voip you just tcpdump out the rtp and process it thru and you can recover then entire exchange... Same thing with a laptop, a sound card, and a wav recorder with a cheap passive phone tap... Only difference with legacy PSTN vs VoIP is its easier to hack a box somewhere along the way and intercept the traffic vs finding the trunk line carrying the traffic, however, it doesn¹t take long to figure out that there are tons of unsecure access points to the wire between your office and the CO... (even the fiber these days can be compromised relatively easily compared to what it was 10 years ago)
My whole point here is I am not malicious when it comes to this sort of thing but I know what can be done and how cheap the technology to pull off these things really is. I smart but I am far from the smartest guy and if I can figure out how to do this stuff many people can figure it out...
I¹m still say that the only secure computer is one fired into the sun on the tip of a rocket with no comms back to earth.. Then that¹s only secure until someone figures out how to retrieve it.
K
On 3/7/11 11:24 AM, "envelopes envelopes" <sunwood360@gmail.com> wrote:
From the perspective of end user, it is pretty easier to hacker an end user' inbox globally. However, you need physical presence to grab fax documents.
Interesting to see the view from IT people is so different from non-technical people. After, any existence has its reason.
On Mar 6, 2011 8:56 AM, "Ken Rice" <krice@freeswitch.org> wrote:
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