Auto-detecting Local IP when no gateway set
Hi All, I am using freeswitch without local_ip_v4 explicitly set, i.e, I am dependant on freeswitch auto-detecting the local IP address.
From the code, what I understand is, in order to determine the local IP address, freeswitch tries to ‘connect()’ using a DGRAM socket with BROADCAST option set.
The problem that I am having is, my customer is working in a Local LAN, and is not very keen on setting the interface gateway. Without gateway set, connect() returns 'Network unreachable' error. Is there any way I could workaround this problem? (apart from setting local_ip_v4) Also, any other issues forseen if gateway isn't set ont he interface?
Why can't you just specify a static IP address instead? Specifying a static IP address sure does make life a heck a lot easier that way. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Siri MM <sirimmfs@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I am using freeswitch without local_ip_v4 explicitly set, i.e, I am dependant on freeswitch auto-detecting the local IP address.
From the code, what I understand is, in order to determine the local IP address, freeswitch tries to ‘connect()’ using a DGRAM socket with BROADCAST option set.
The problem that I am having is, my customer is working in a Local LAN, and is not very keen on setting the interface gateway. Without gateway set, connect() returns 'Network unreachable' error.
Is there any way I could workaround this problem? (apart from setting local_ip_v4) Also, any other issues forseen if gateway isn't set ont he interface?
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Hi Jeff, Couple of reasons why I dont want to specify IP address explicitly: 1. Customer is using multiple devices with freeswitch on each, and my strategy is to provide a generically configured freeswitch, which would work on all 2. Customer might at any point in time change the static IP address of devices, or decide to use DHCP! On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Jeff Leung <jleung@v10networks.ca> wrote:
Why can't you just specify a static IP address instead? Specifying a static IP address sure does make life a heck a lot easier that way.
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Siri MM <sirimmfs@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I am using freeswitch without local_ip_v4 explicitly set, i.e, I am dependant on freeswitch auto-detecting the local IP address.
From the code, what I understand is, in order to determine the local IP address, freeswitch tries to ‘connect()’ using a DGRAM socket with BROADCAST option set.
The problem that I am having is, my customer is working in a Local LAN, and is not very keen on setting the interface gateway. Without gateway set, connect() returns 'Network unreachable' error.
Is there any way I could workaround this problem? (apart from setting local_ip_v4) Also, any other issues forseen if gateway isn't set ont he interface?
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The entire point is to auto-detect which IP is used for Internet access, which is obviously impossible without a default gateway. The reason for that is in the frequent case where a machine may have multiple IP addresses. So you are going to have to set local_ip_v4 explicitly. As far as a generic config goes - why not have common configuration files and handle all the machine-specific stuff in vars.xml, then any machine-specific stuff is in a single file which'll make it easier to manage. If you want to auto-detect the static IP, then modify the init.d script to first run a script that picks up the current IP and updates vars.xml. That would need to be done before freeswitch is started. Thinking about the best way to handle this long term though... Perhaps you could file a wishlist Jira that allows you to set local_ip_v4 by an interface name. FreeSWITCH should be able to lookup the primary IP of an interface pretty easily. On 15 August 2013 03:12, Siri MM <sirimmfs@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Jeff,
Couple of reasons why I dont want to specify IP address explicitly: 1. Customer is using multiple devices with freeswitch on each, and my strategy is to provide a generically configured freeswitch, which would work on all 2. Customer might at any point in time change the static IP address of devices, or decide to use DHCP!
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Jeff Leung <jleung@v10networks.ca>wrote:
Why can't you just specify a static IP address instead? Specifying a static IP address sure does make life a heck a lot easier that way.
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Siri MM <sirimmfs@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I am using freeswitch without local_ip_v4 explicitly set, i.e, I am dependant on freeswitch auto-detecting the local IP address.
From the code, what I understand is, in order to determine the local IP address, freeswitch tries to ‘connect()’ using a DGRAM socket with BROADCAST option set.
The problem that I am having is, my customer is working in a Local LAN, and is not very keen on setting the interface gateway. Without gateway set, connect() returns 'Network unreachable' error.
Is there any way I could workaround this problem? (apart from setting local_ip_v4) Also, any other issues forseen if gateway isn't set ont he interface?
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Alternatively, you could use xml_curl to serve your configs so that you don't actually need local_ip_v4 as you can figure it out based on the IP hitting the web server. Doing that will allow you to set the IP in all of the configs that need it using functionality that already exists in FreeSWITCH today. -Ray
I'm not sure this will work since Siri's customer appears to already use multiple sip profiles on the system. I get the nagging feeling that a technical problem is trying to solve a social problem here: maybe the easy solution is for Siri to tell the customer that if they change the IP addresses on the server that they are equally responsible for updating the FreeSWITCH configs. -Yossi On 08/15/2013 07:14 AM, Raymond Chandler wrote:
Alternatively, you could use xml_curl to serve your configs so that you don't actually need local_ip_v4 as you can figure it out based on the IP hitting the web server. Doing that will allow you to set the IP in all of the configs that need it using functionality that already exists in FreeSWITCH today.
-Ray
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I was going to suggest this too, but if it's on a LAN I'm guessing there won't be a server and serving it from httpd on the localhost would only see 127.0.0.1 ...although you could lookup the current IP of the LAN interface from a script on the local webserver. -Steve On 15 August 2013 13:14, Raymond Chandler <intralanman@freeswitch.org>wrote:
Alternatively, you could use xml_curl to serve your configs so that you don't actually need local_ip_v4 as you can figure it out based on the IP hitting the web server. Doing that will allow you to set the IP in all of the configs that need it using functionality that already exists in FreeSWITCH today.
-Ray
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Personally I think allowing something like <param name="sip-ip" value="interface:eth0"/> to pick up the primary IP of that interface might work best. Anthm, can you clarify if FS already has any such functionality? Or time for a wishlist Jira? Doing so could work alongside auto-restart=true and therefore pick up IP changes such as when using DHCP. On 15 August 2013 20:00, Steven Ayre <steveayre@gmail.com> wrote:
I was going to suggest this too, but if it's on a LAN I'm guessing there won't be a server and serving it from httpd on the localhost would only see 127.0.0.1
...although you could lookup the current IP of the LAN interface from a script on the local webserver.
-Steve
On 15 August 2013 13:14, Raymond Chandler <intralanman@freeswitch.org>wrote:
Alternatively, you could use xml_curl to serve your configs so that you don't actually need local_ip_v4 as you can figure it out based on the IP hitting the web server. Doing that will allow you to set the IP in all of the configs that need it using functionality that already exists in FreeSWITCH today.
-Ray
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No such functionality, meanwhile you could use the #exec config directive similar to SSI in apache to manually run a shell command every time the config is loaded to call a command that prints the ip. On Aug 15, 2013 2:08 PM, "Steven Ayre" <steveayre@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally I think allowing something like <param name="sip-ip" value="interface:eth0"/> to pick up the primary IP of that interface might work best.
Anthm, can you clarify if FS already has any such functionality? Or time for a wishlist Jira?
Doing so could work alongside auto-restart=true and therefore pick up IP changes such as when using DHCP.
On 15 August 2013 20:00, Steven Ayre <steveayre@gmail.com> wrote:
I was going to suggest this too, but if it's on a LAN I'm guessing there won't be a server and serving it from httpd on the localhost would only see 127.0.0.1
...although you could lookup the current IP of the LAN interface from a script on the local webserver.
-Steve
On 15 August 2013 13:14, Raymond Chandler <intralanman@freeswitch.org>wrote:
Alternatively, you could use xml_curl to serve your configs so that you don't actually need local_ip_v4 as you can figure it out based on the IP hitting the web server. Doing that will allow you to set the IP in all of the configs that need it using functionality that already exists in FreeSWITCH today.
-Ray
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Thanks for all the suggestions, As suggested by Steven, I have raised a Jira wishlist - http://jira.freeswitch.org/browse/FS-5707 Anthony, could you please elaborate (or redirect me to the wiki page) on your config directive suggestion? Where do I set this in Freeswitch, and how do I make it run on config reload? Thanks! On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 5:15 AM, Anthony Minessale < anthony.minessale@gmail.com> wrote:
No such functionality, meanwhile you could use the #exec config directive similar to SSI in apache to manually run a shell command every time the config is loaded to call a command that prints the ip. On Aug 15, 2013 2:08 PM, "Steven Ayre" <steveayre@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally I think allowing something like <param name="sip-ip" value="interface:eth0"/> to pick up the primary IP of that interface might work best.
Anthm, can you clarify if FS already has any such functionality? Or time for a wishlist Jira?
Doing so could work alongside auto-restart=true and therefore pick up IP changes such as when using DHCP.
On 15 August 2013 20:00, Steven Ayre <steveayre@gmail.com> wrote:
I was going to suggest this too, but if it's on a LAN I'm guessing there won't be a server and serving it from httpd on the localhost would only see 127.0.0.1
...although you could lookup the current IP of the LAN interface from a script on the local webserver.
-Steve
On 15 August 2013 13:14, Raymond Chandler <intralanman@freeswitch.org>wrote:
Alternatively, you could use xml_curl to serve your configs so that you don't actually need local_ip_v4 as you can figure it out based on the IP hitting the web server. Doing that will allow you to set the IP in all of the configs that need it using functionality that already exists in FreeSWITCH today.
-Ray
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#!/bin/bash # interface2ip.sh /sbin/ifconfig $1 | grep "inet addr" | awk -F: '{print $2}' | awk '{print $1}' ---- ./interface2ip.sh eth0 Returns ip assigned to eth0 Thank you, Brian Foster Project Manager/Owner's Rep. Davri Investments, Inc. O: 317-787-2686 x2102 M: 317-600-9753 E: bdfoster@davri.com Indianapolis, Indiana Sent from a mobile device. Thanks for all the suggestions, As suggested by Steven, I have raised a Jira wishlist - http://jira.freeswitch.org/browse/FS-5707 Anthony, could you please elaborate (or redirect me to the wiki page) on your config directive suggestion? Where do I set this in Freeswitch, and how do I make it run on config reload? Thanks! On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 5:15 AM, Anthony Minessale < anthony.minessale@gmail.com> wrote:
No such functionality, meanwhile you could use the #exec config directive similar to SSI in apache to manually run a shell command every time the config is loaded to call a command that prints the ip. On Aug 15, 2013 2:08 PM, "Steven Ayre" <steveayre@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally I think allowing something like <param name="sip-ip" value="interface:eth0"/> to pick up the primary IP of that interface might work best.
Anthm, can you clarify if FS already has any such functionality? Or time for a wishlist Jira?
Doing so could work alongside auto-restart=true and therefore pick up IP changes such as when using DHCP.
On 15 August 2013 20:00, Steven Ayre <steveayre@gmail.com> wrote:
I was going to suggest this too, but if it's on a LAN I'm guessing there won't be a server and serving it from httpd on the localhost would only see 127.0.0.1
...although you could lookup the current IP of the LAN interface from a script on the local webserver.
-Steve
On 15 August 2013 13:14, Raymond Chandler <intralanman@freeswitch.org>wrote:
Alternatively, you could use xml_curl to serve your configs so that you don't actually need local_ip_v4 as you can figure it out based on the IP hitting the web server. Doing that will allow you to set the IP in all of the configs that need it using functionality that already exists in FreeSWITCH today.
-Ray
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Also I think you can do this in your freeswitch config: <param name="sip-ip" value="${system interface2ip.sh eth0}"/> ...in your sip profile or similarly in vars.xml. Thank you, Brian Foster Project Manager/Owner's Rep. Davri Investments, Inc. O: 317-787-2686 x2102 M: 317-600-9753 E: bdfoster@davri.com Indianapolis, Indiana Sent from a mobile device. On Aug 15, 2013 9:46 PM, "Brian Foster" <bdfoster@davri.com> wrote:
#!/bin/bash
# interface2ip.sh
/sbin/ifconfig $1 | grep "inet addr" | awk -F: '{print $2}' | awk '{print $1}'
----
./interface2ip.sh eth0 Returns ip assigned to eth0
Thank you,
Brian Foster Project Manager/Owner's Rep. Davri Investments, Inc. O: 317-787-2686 x2102 M: 317-600-9753 E: bdfoster@davri.com Indianapolis, Indiana
Sent from a mobile device. Thanks for all the suggestions, As suggested by Steven, I have raised a Jira wishlist - http://jira.freeswitch.org/browse/FS-5707
Anthony, could you please elaborate (or redirect me to the wiki page) on your config directive suggestion? Where do I set this in Freeswitch, and how do I make it run on config reload?
Thanks!
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 5:15 AM, Anthony Minessale < anthony.minessale@gmail.com> wrote:
No such functionality, meanwhile you could use the #exec config directive similar to SSI in apache to manually run a shell command every time the config is loaded to call a command that prints the ip. On Aug 15, 2013 2:08 PM, "Steven Ayre" <steveayre@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally I think allowing something like <param name="sip-ip" value="interface:eth0"/> to pick up the primary IP of that interface might work best.
Anthm, can you clarify if FS already has any such functionality? Or time for a wishlist Jira?
Doing so could work alongside auto-restart=true and therefore pick up IP changes such as when using DHCP.
On 15 August 2013 20:00, Steven Ayre <steveayre@gmail.com> wrote:
I was going to suggest this too, but if it's on a LAN I'm guessing there won't be a server and serving it from httpd on the localhost would only see 127.0.0.1
...although you could lookup the current IP of the LAN interface from a script on the local webserver.
-Steve
On 15 August 2013 13:14, Raymond Chandler <intralanman@freeswitch.org>wrote:
Alternatively, you could use xml_curl to serve your configs so that you don't actually need local_ip_v4 as you can figure it out based on the IP hitting the web server. Doing that will allow you to set the IP in all of the configs that need it using functionality that already exists in FreeSWITCH today.
-Ray
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I am thinking of getting a couple of SIP phones for our system - I see some used on ebay. Are there ones to avoid? Good ones to seek? I have a couple of places where there needs to be a backup phone in case the workstation is rebooting. I can set up POE if that sounds like a good idea. Depending on what happens, I could then start retiring some of the analog phones replacing with SIP phones. The bits I'm finding on the web is almost all by someone selling and mostly spammy information. A few clues could go a long way. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl Schmidt EMail Karl@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://secure.transtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Never ruin an apology with an excuse. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I like Polycoms. For your use case, an IP 33X would work well. We have IP 335's but any in that category would do. Thank you, Brian Foster Project Manager/Owner's Rep. Davri Investments, Inc. O: 317-787-2686 x2102 M: 317-600-9753 E: bdfoster@davri.com Indianapolis, Indiana Sent from a mobile device. On Aug 15, 2013 11:42 PM, "Karl Schmidt" <karl@xtronics.com> wrote:
I am thinking of getting a couple of SIP phones for our system - I see some used on ebay.
Are there ones to avoid? Good ones to seek?
I have a couple of places where there needs to be a backup phone in case the workstation is rebooting. I can set up POE if that sounds like a good idea.
Depending on what happens, I could then start retiring some of the analog phones replacing with SIP phones.
The bits I'm finding on the web is almost all by someone selling and mostly spammy information. A few clues could go a long way.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl Schmidt EMail Karl@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://secure.transtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434
Never ruin an apology with an excuse.
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VVX 300/310 are low cost new models. From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Brian Foster Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 12:33 AM To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] SIP phones - I like Polycoms. For your use case, an IP 33X would work well. We have IP 335's but any in that category would do. Thank you, Brian Foster Project Manager/Owner's Rep. Davri Investments, Inc. O: 317-787-2686 x2102 M: 317-600-9753 E: bdfoster@davri.com<mailto:bdfoster@davri.com> Indianapolis, Indiana Sent from a mobile device. On Aug 15, 2013 11:42 PM, "Karl Schmidt" <karl@xtronics.com<mailto:karl@xtronics.com>> wrote: I am thinking of getting a couple of SIP phones for our system - I see some used on ebay. Are there ones to avoid? Good ones to seek? I have a couple of places where there needs to be a backup phone in case the workstation is rebooting. I can set up POE if that sounds like a good idea. Depending on what happens, I could then start retiring some of the analog phones replacing with SIP phones. The bits I'm finding on the web is almost all by someone selling and mostly spammy information. A few clues could go a long way. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl Schmidt EMail Karl@xtronics.com<mailto:Karl@xtronics.com> Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://secure.transtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089<tel:%28785%29%20841-3089> Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434<tel:%28785%29%20841-0434> Never ruin an apology with an excuse. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________________ Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: consulting@freeswitch.org<mailto:consulting@freeswitch.org> http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com FreeSWITCH-powered IP PBX: The CudaTel Communication Server http://www.cudatel.com Official FreeSWITCH Sites http://www.freeswitch.org http://wiki.freeswitch.org http://www.cluecon.com FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org<mailto:FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org> http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Gigaset 610IP is a great cordless ip-phone. Works perfectly with FreeSWITCH. You can also have several handsets served from one base.
________________________________ From: Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com> To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 5:36 AM Subject: [Freeswitch-users] SIP phones -
I am thinking of getting a couple of SIP phones for our system - I see some used on ebay.
Are there ones to avoid? Good ones to seek?
I have a couple of places where there needs to be a backup phone in case the workstation is rebooting. I can set up POE if that sounds like a good idea.
Depending on what happens, I could then start retiring some of the analog phones replacing with SIP phones.
The bits I'm finding on the web is almost all by someone selling and mostly spammy information. A few clues could go a long way.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl Schmidt EMail Karl@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://secure.transtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434
Never ruin an apology with an excuse. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
_________________________________________________________________________ Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: consulting@freeswitch.org http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com
FreeSWITCH-powered IP PBX: The CudaTel Communication Server http://www.cudatel.com
Official FreeSWITCH Sites http://www.freeswitch.org http://wiki.freeswitch.org http://www.cluecon.com
FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Polycom is the name I see the most on this list, I've some some experience with Snom and Grandstream. The do the job but my favourites are Cisco SPA50x series. On 16 August 2013 08:22, Stanislav Sinyagin <ssinyagin@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gigaset 610IP is a great cordless ip-phone. Works perfectly with FreeSWITCH. You can also have several handsets served from one base.
------------------------------ *From:* Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com> *To:* freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2013 5:36 AM *Subject:* [Freeswitch-users] SIP phones -
I am thinking of getting a couple of SIP phones for our system - I see some used on ebay.
Are there ones to avoid? Good ones to seek?
I have a couple of places where there needs to be a backup phone in case the workstation is rebooting. I can set up POE if that sounds like a good idea.
Depending on what happens, I could then start retiring some of the analog phones replacing with SIP phones.
The bits I'm finding on the web is almost all by someone selling and mostly spammy information. A few clues could go a long way.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl Schmidt EMail Karl@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://secure.transtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434
Never ruin an apology with an excuse.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
_________________________________________________________________________ Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: consulting@freeswitch.org http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com
FreeSWITCH-powered IP PBX: The CudaTel Communication Server http://www.cudatel.com
Official FreeSWITCH Sites http://www.freeswitch.org http://wiki.freeswitch.org http://www.cluecon.com
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FreeSWITCH-powered IP PBX: The CudaTel Communication Server http://www.cudatel.com
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Hi Folks, +3 for the Gigasets. I have a number of these setups -- with different handsets. These are working fine with fS in all of my servers. TL;DR: I paid my own money for two of these for my own use. My wife doesn't know she's using SIP for all calls -- it's just a 'phone. Voice Quality seems to be good, range is excellent, battery life is fine (though they spend most of their time in the desk stands, charging). I have not used bluetooth headsets with them, so can't talk on that. The 2.5 mm audio connector works fine (some folk prefer clipping the phone to their waist and wearing a headset -- YMMV). The N300A (consumer DECT SIP base station) voicemail is OK, but IMHO over-compresses. The in-built web server by which the base is configured is OK if slow. Configuring the base via a connected handset is possible, but like every manufacturer's version of that I've seen, it's not recommended for mere mortals without a lot of patience. [...and apart from the annoyance of the battery compartment door falling open if you drop them, and the handset NOT being waterproof/toiletproof, they're remarkably robust] As for Polycom, can't speak for the "straight" SIP versions, but I have experience of their Lync DECT multicell system & handsets; IMHO these don't even reach the 'blows goats' level. Work has 50 of them; user feedback is that voice quality, coverage, battery life is "not as good as we might hope". Opinion seems to be that these are a step back from the siemens cellular DECT 'phones we had on the old "steam" PBX (being polite). Sigh. For all portable systems, Try before you buy. all the best, Lawrence On 16 Aug 2013, at 10:15, Andrew Cassidy wrote:
Polycom is the name I see the most on this list, I've some some experience with Snom and Grandstream. The do the job but my favourites are Cisco SPA50x series.
On 16 August 2013 08:22, Stanislav Sinyagin <ssinyagin@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gigaset 610IP is a great cordless ip-phone. Works perfectly with FreeSWITCH. You can also have several handsets served from one base.
------------------------------ *From:* Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com> *To:* freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2013 5:36 AM *Subject:* [Freeswitch-users] SIP phones -
I am thinking of getting a couple of SIP phones for our system - I see some used on ebay.
Are there ones to avoid? Good ones to seek?
I have a couple of places where there needs to be a backup phone in case the workstation is rebooting. I can set up POE if that sounds like a good idea.
Depending on what happens, I could then start retiring some of the analog phones replacing with SIP phones.
The bits I'm finding on the web is almost all by someone selling and mostly spammy information. A few clues could go a long way.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl Schmidt EMail Karl@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://secure.transtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434
Never ruin an apology with an excuse.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
_________________________________________________________________________ Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: consulting@freeswitch.org http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com
FreeSWITCH-powered IP PBX: The CudaTel Communication Server http://www.cudatel.com
Official FreeSWITCH Sites http://www.freeswitch.org http://wiki.freeswitch.org http://www.cluecon.com
FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
_________________________________________________________________________ Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: consulting@freeswitch.org http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com
FreeSWITCH-powered IP PBX: The CudaTel Communication Server http://www.cudatel.com
Official FreeSWITCH Sites http://www.freeswitch.org http://wiki.freeswitch.org http://www.cluecon.com
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*T <info@cassidywebservices.co.uk> *03300 100 960 *F<info@cassidywebservices.co.uk> *03300 100 961 *E <info@cassidywebservices.co.uk> *andrew@cassidywebservices.co.uk *W <info@cassidywebservices.co.uk> *www.cassidywebservices.co.uk _________________________________________________________________________ Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: consulting@freeswitch.org http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com
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I HATE Polycoms they are hard to configure and hard to debug. I really like the Cisco SPA series as they are reliable however also hard to debug. Snoms and Yealinks are good and a lot easier to debug (Pulling packet captures directly from the phone makes life a lot easier) Just my 2c. On 16 August 2013 20:35, Lawrence Conroy <lconroy@insensate.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Folks, +3 for the Gigasets. I have a number of these setups -- with different handsets. These are working fine with fS in all of my servers. TL;DR: I paid my own money for two of these for my own use. My wife doesn't know she's using SIP for all calls -- it's just a 'phone.
Voice Quality seems to be good, range is excellent, battery life is fine (though they spend most of their time in the desk stands, charging). I have not used bluetooth headsets with them, so can't talk on that. The 2.5 mm audio connector works fine (some folk prefer clipping the phone to their waist and wearing a headset -- YMMV). The N300A (consumer DECT SIP base station) voicemail is OK, but IMHO over-compresses. The in-built web server by which the base is configured is OK if slow. Configuring the base via a connected handset is possible, but like every manufacturer's version of that I've seen, it's not recommended for mere mortals without a lot of patience. [...and apart from the annoyance of the battery compartment door falling open if you drop them, and the handset NOT being waterproof/toiletproof, they're remarkably robust]
As for Polycom, can't speak for the "straight" SIP versions, but I have experience of their Lync DECT multicell system & handsets; IMHO these don't even reach the 'blows goats' level. Work has 50 of them; user feedback is that voice quality, coverage, battery life is "not as good as we might hope". Opinion seems to be that these are a step back from the siemens cellular DECT 'phones we had on the old "steam" PBX (being polite). Sigh. For all portable systems, Try before you buy.
all the best, Lawrence
On 16 Aug 2013, at 10:15, Andrew Cassidy wrote:
Polycom is the name I see the most on this list, I've some some experience with Snom and Grandstream. The do the job but my favourites are Cisco SPA50x series.
On 16 August 2013 08:22, Stanislav Sinyagin <ssinyagin@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gigaset 610IP is a great cordless ip-phone. Works perfectly with FreeSWITCH. You can also have several handsets served from one base.
------------------------------ *From:* Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com> *To:* freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2013 5:36 AM *Subject:* [Freeswitch-users] SIP phones -
I am thinking of getting a couple of SIP phones for our system - I see some used on ebay.
Are there ones to avoid? Good ones to seek?
I have a couple of places where there needs to be a backup phone in case the workstation is rebooting. I can set up POE if that sounds like a good idea.
Depending on what happens, I could then start retiring some of the analog phones replacing with SIP phones.
The bits I'm finding on the web is almost all by someone selling and mostly spammy information. A few clues could go a long way.
Karl Schmidt EMail Karl@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://secure.transtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434
Never ruin an apology with an excuse.
Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: consulting@freeswitch.org http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com
FreeSWITCH-powered IP PBX: The CudaTel Communication Server http://www.cudatel.com
Official FreeSWITCH Sites http://www.freeswitch.org http://wiki.freeswitch.org http://www.cluecon.com
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I¹ve never found polycoms hard to debug or configure, you just need to set up a proper boot server for them... Once you do that, the configs are straight forward, and it¹ll actually logs back to that server... On 8/16/13 7:25 AM, "Peter Blackford" <peter@onemetric.com> wrote:
I HATE Polycoms they are hard to configure and hard to debug.
I really like the Cisco SPA series as they are reliable however also hard to debug. Snoms and Yealinks are good and a lot easier to debug (Pulling packet captures directly from the phone makes life a lot easier)
Just my 2c.
On 16 August 2013 20:35, Lawrence Conroy <lconroy@insensate.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Folks, +3 for the Gigasets. I have a number of these setups -- with different handsets. These are working fine with fS in all of my servers. TL;DR: I paid my own money for two of these for my own use. My wife doesn't know she's using SIP for all calls -- it's just a 'phone.
Voice Quality seems to be good, range is excellent, battery life is fine (though they spend most of their time in the desk stands, charging). I have not used bluetooth headsets with them, so can't talk on that. The 2.5 mm audio connector works fine (some folk prefer clipping the phone to their waist and wearing a headset -- YMMV). The N300A (consumer DECT SIP base station) voicemail is OK, but IMHO over-compresses. The in-built web server by which the base is configured is OK if slow. Configuring the base via a connected handset is possible, but like every manufacturer's version of that I've seen, it's not recommended for mere mortals without a lot of patience. [...and apart from the annoyance of the battery compartment door falling open if you drop them, and the handset NOT being waterproof/toiletproof, they're remarkably robust]
As for Polycom, can't speak for the "straight" SIP versions, but I have experience of their Lync DECT multicell system & handsets; IMHO these don't even reach the 'blows goats' level. Work has 50 of them; user feedback is that voice quality, coverage, battery life is "not as good as we might hope". Opinion seems to be that these are a step back from the siemens cellular DECT 'phones we had on the old "steam" PBX (being polite). Sigh. For all portable systems, Try before you buy.
all the best, Lawrence
On 16 Aug 2013, at 10:15, Andrew Cassidy wrote:
Polycom is the name I see the most on this list, I've some some experience with Snom and Grandstream. The do the job but my favourites are Cisco SPA50x series.
On 16 August 2013 08:22, Stanislav Sinyagin <ssinyagin@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gigaset 610IP is a great cordless ip-phone. Works perfectly with FreeSWITCH. You can also have several handsets served from one base.
------------------------------ *From:* Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com> *To:* freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2013 5:36 AM *Subject:* [Freeswitch-users] SIP phones -
I am thinking of getting a couple of SIP phones for our system - I see some used on ebay.
Are there ones to avoid? Good ones to seek?
I have a couple of places where there needs to be a backup phone in case the workstation is rebooting. I can set up POE if that sounds like a good idea.
Depending on what happens, I could then start retiring some of the analog phones replacing with SIP phones.
The bits I'm finding on the web is almost all by someone selling and mostly spammy information. A few clues could go a long way.
-----
Karl Schmidt EMail Karl@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://secure.transtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 <tel:%28785%29%20841-3089> Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 <tel:%28785%29%20841-0434>
Never ruin an apology with an excuse.
-----
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FreeSWITCH-powered IP PBX: The CudaTel Communication Server http://www.cudatel.com
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On 08/16/2013 02:34 PM, Ken Rice wrote:
I’ve never found polycoms hard to debug or configure, you just need to set up a proper boot server for them... Once you do that, the configs are straight forward, and it’ll actually logs back to that server...
Compared to other brands Polycom sure could make it easier to configure their phones. The zillion (sub-sub-sub-sub-)xml options, (afaik) lack of a good xml editor that can handle the Polycom xml files on Linux and a 500 page admin guide don't really scream easy. The bootserver is easy, IMHO an advanced configuration with a lot of features not so much. Perhaps it's an idea to do a few "How to become a Polycom config master" sessions during the weekly conf call with video showing the steps to configure a Polycom phone with basic, advanced and very advanced configs? Regards, Patrick
The thing is with the polycom configs, theres really only a few things you actually have to touch from the default configs... And their 500 page admin guide is that size because they exhaustively document things... They even document the settings you should never touch... And that's a good idea for the weekly conference call! I like it... We'll get that one on the schedule soon! K On 8/16/13 8:14 AM, "Patrick Lists" <freeswitch-list@puzzled.xs4all.nl> wrote:
On 08/16/2013 02:34 PM, Ken Rice wrote:
I¹ve never found polycoms hard to debug or configure, you just need to set up a proper boot server for them... Once you do that, the configs are straight forward, and it¹ll actually logs back to that server...
Compared to other brands Polycom sure could make it easier to configure their phones. The zillion (sub-sub-sub-sub-)xml options, (afaik) lack of a good xml editor that can handle the Polycom xml files on Linux and a 500 page admin guide don't really scream easy. The bootserver is easy, IMHO an advanced configuration with a lot of features not so much.
Perhaps it's an idea to do a few "How to become a Polycom config master" sessions during the weekly conf call with video showing the steps to configure a Polycom phone with basic, advanced and very advanced configs?
Regards, Patrick
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Just btw -- this is hardly the first time this question has been asked, and nothing has been summarized on the wiki for future reference (that I know of). So, someone that has the time.... -Avi On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Patrick Lists < freeswitch-list@puzzled.xs4all.nl> wrote:
On 08/16/2013 02:34 PM, Ken Rice wrote:
I’ve never found polycoms hard to debug or configure, you just need to set up a proper boot server for them... Once you do that, the configs are straight forward, and it’ll actually logs back to that server...
Compared to other brands Polycom sure could make it easier to configure their phones. The zillion (sub-sub-sub-sub-)xml options, (afaik) lack of a good xml editor that can handle the Polycom xml files on Linux and a 500 page admin guide don't really scream easy. The bootserver is easy, IMHO an advanced configuration with a lot of features not so much.
Perhaps it's an idea to do a few "How to become a Polycom config master" sessions during the weekly conf call with video showing the steps to configure a Polycom phone with basic, advanced and very advanced configs?
Regards, Patrick
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On 08/16/2013 08:22 AM, Avi Marcus wrote:
Just btw -- this is hardly the first time this question has been asked, and nothing has been summarized on the wiki for future reference (that I know of). So, someone that has the time....
-Avi
I'm actually summarizing the response here (as it seemed a bit off topic re freeswitch) : http://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/SIP_Phones Work in processes - feel free grab and post on wiki.freeswitch.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl Schmidt EMail Karl@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://secure.transtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 The society that puts equality before freedom will end up with neither. The society that puts freedom before equality will end up with a great measure of both. - Milton Freidman --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Good stuff, that's pretty useful to me too. Like I say, the newer Cisco SPA50x's are nice, the old 79xx series are horrible for SIP (as someone else mentioned) Yealink have been mentioned, has anyone got any thoughts on those? I've been thinking about investigating them. On 18 August 2013 01:40, Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com> wrote:
On 08/16/2013 08:22 AM, Avi Marcus wrote:
Just btw -- this is hardly the first time this question has been asked, and nothing has been summarized on the wiki for future reference (that I know of). So, someone that has the time....
-Avi
I'm actually summarizing the response here (as it seemed a bit off topic re freeswitch) :
http://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/SIP_Phones
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I have some Yealink T28Ps and a T22P in the lab and they seem to work fine. Call quality is fine. I have been working my way through all the FS features on them and so far BLF is working other than the light going dim when a monitored extension is not registered. I think this is probably in FreeSWITCH though and I haven't had time to get to the bottom of it. Kevin On 08/19/2013 03:25 AM, Andrew Cassidy wrote:
Good stuff, that's pretty useful to me too. Like I say, the newer Cisco SPA50x's are nice, the old 79xx series are horrible for SIP (as someone else mentioned)
Yealink have been mentioned, has anyone got any thoughts on those? I've been thinking about investigating them.
On 18 August 2013 01:40, Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com <mailto:karl@xtronics.com>> wrote:
On 08/16/2013 08:22 AM, Avi Marcus wrote: > Just btw -- this is hardly the first time this question has been asked, and nothing has been > summarized on the wiki for future reference (that I know of). > So, someone that has the time.... > > -Avi
I'm actually summarizing the response here (as it seemed a bit off topic re freeswitch) :
http://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/SIP_Phones
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Have been implementing Yealink for a couple of years: nice design, low price, fine quality, enterprise feature set, easy to setup, responsive support. For me the best quality/price for 2013, and by far... BTW, BLF works fine, at least with git HEAD. François. On Mon, 2013-08-19 at 08:28 -0500, Kevin Wormington wrote:
I have some Yealink T28Ps and a T22P in the lab and they seem to work fine. Call quality is fine. I have been working my way through all the FS features on them and so far BLF is working other than the light going dim when a monitored extension is not registered. I think this is probably in FreeSWITCH though and I haven't had time to get to the bottom of it.
Kevin
On 08/19/2013 03:25 AM, Andrew Cassidy wrote:
Good stuff, that's pretty useful to me too. Like I say, the newer Cisco SPA50x's are nice, the old 79xx series are horrible for SIP (as someone else mentioned)
Yealink have been mentioned, has anyone got any thoughts on those? I've been thinking about investigating them.
On 18 August 2013 01:40, Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com <mailto:karl@xtronics.com>> wrote:
On 08/16/2013 08:22 AM, Avi Marcus wrote: > Just btw -- this is hardly the first time this question has been asked, and nothing has been > summarized on the wiki for future reference (that I know of). > So, someone that has the time.... > > -Avi
I'm actually summarizing the response here (as it seemed a bit off topic re freeswitch) :
http://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/SIP_Phones
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François, I'm running 1.2.12 from git 8/16/13 and when a monitored extension is not registered the light remains solid green. On your system is the light going out for extensions that become un-registered or are not registered when the phone powers on? On 08/19/2013 08:59 AM, François wrote:
Have been implementing Yealink for a couple of years: nice design, low price, fine quality, enterprise feature set, easy to setup, responsive support. For me the best quality/price for 2013, and by far...
BTW, BLF works fine, at least with git HEAD.
François.
On Mon, 2013-08-19 at 08:28 -0500, Kevin Wormington wrote:
I have some Yealink T28Ps and a T22P in the lab and they seem to work fine. Call quality is fine. I have been working my way through all the FS features on them and so far BLF is working other than the light going dim when a monitored extension is not registered. I think this is probably in FreeSWITCH though and I haven't had time to get to the bottom of it.
Kevin
On 08/19/2013 03:25 AM, Andrew Cassidy wrote:
Good stuff, that's pretty useful to me too. Like I say, the newer Cisco SPA50x's are nice, the old 79xx series are horrible for SIP (as someone else mentioned)
Yealink have been mentioned, has anyone got any thoughts on those? I've been thinking about investigating them.
On 18 August 2013 01:40, Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com <mailto:karl@xtronics.com>> wrote:
On 08/16/2013 08:22 AM, Avi Marcus wrote: > Just btw -- this is hardly the first time this question has been asked, and nothing has been > summarized on the wiki for future reference (that I know of). > So, someone that has the time.... > > -Avi
I'm actually summarizing the response here (as it seemed a bit off topic re freeswitch) :
http://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/SIP_Phones
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Hi there again folks, for clarification, I don't know about the "pure SIP" versions or Poly deskphones -- I whinged only about the Lync variants of their DECT phones. In my case, once you've had one of your users blame you for the setup and describe the Polycom kirk butterfly as looking like a sanitary towel (only less useful), it's hard to retain your enthusiasm. Do their pure SIP phones really need a separate boot server to be set up before they'll work properly? For central config sure, but for general operation of individual phones? Re. SIP Deskphones, the Aastras seem to be popular on site and work quite well. We have a couple of hundred of them, and with no failures (at all) yet, so they must be pretty robust. Older Cisco desk phones have left me with mental scars -- don't know about the new ones. [In the early days, Cisco's interpretation of SIP was kinda different, causing many debug sessions to find out what they needed] Grandstream 2K series worked, but suffered from unacceptable mains hum and odd little incompatibilities with fS. The Siemens/Gigaset SIP desk phones were pretty boring, IIRC, but had pretty good sound quality. For the others, can't say. all the best, Lawrence On 16 Aug 2013, at 13:34, Ken Rice wrote:
I’ve never found polycoms hard to debug or configure, you just need to set up a proper boot server for them... Once you do that, the configs are straight forward, and it’ll actually logs back to that server...
On 8/16/13 7:25 AM, "Peter Blackford" <peter@onemetric.com> wrote:
I HATE Polycoms they are hard to configure and hard to debug.
I really like the Cisco SPA series as they are reliable however also hard to debug. Snoms and Yealinks are good and a lot easier to debug (Pulling packet captures directly from the phone makes life a lot easier)
Just my 2c.
On 16 August 2013 20:35, Lawrence Conroy <lconroy@insensate.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Folks, +3 for the Gigasets. I have a number of these setups -- with different handsets. These are working fine with fS in all of my servers. TL;DR: I paid my own money for two of these for my own use. My wife doesn't know she's using SIP for all calls -- it's just a 'phone.
Voice Quality seems to be good, range is excellent, battery life is fine (though they spend most of their time in the desk stands, charging). I have not used bluetooth headsets with them, so can't talk on that. The 2.5 mm audio connector works fine (some folk prefer clipping the phone to their waist and wearing a headset -- YMMV). The N300A (consumer DECT SIP base station) voicemail is OK, but IMHO over-compresses. The in-built web server by which the base is configured is OK if slow. Configuring the base via a connected handset is possible, but like every manufacturer's version of that I've seen, it's not recommended for mere mortals without a lot of patience. [...and apart from the annoyance of the battery compartment door falling open if you drop them, and the handset NOT being waterproof/toiletproof, they're remarkably robust]
As for Polycom, can't speak for the "straight" SIP versions, but I have experience of their Lync DECT multicell system & handsets; IMHO these don't even reach the 'blows goats' level. Work has 50 of them; user feedback is that voice quality, coverage, battery life is "not as good as we might hope". Opinion seems to be that these are a step back from the siemens cellular DECT 'phones we had on the old "steam" PBX (being polite). Sigh. For all portable systems, Try before you buy.
all the best, Lawrence
On 16 Aug 2013, at 10:15, Andrew Cassidy wrote:
Polycom is the name I see the most on this list, I've some some experience with Snom and Grandstream. The do the job but my favourites are Cisco SPA50x series.
On 16 August 2013 08:22, Stanislav Sinyagin <ssinyagin@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Gigaset 610IP is a great cordless ip-phone. Works perfectly with > FreeSWITCH. You can also have several handsets served from one base. > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com> > *To:* freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org > *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2013 5:36 AM > *Subject:* [Freeswitch-users] SIP phones - > > I am thinking of getting a couple of SIP phones for our system - I see > some used on ebay. > > Are there ones to avoid? Good ones to seek? > > I have a couple of places where there needs to be a backup phone in case > the workstation is > rebooting. I can set up POE if that sounds like a good idea. > > Depending on what happens, I could then start retiring some of the analog > phones replacing with SIP > phones. > > The bits I'm finding on the web is almost all by someone selling and > mostly spammy information. A > few clues could go a long way. > > > > > >
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Hi , I have around 100 , Polycom 331, onsite for a callcenter operation connected trough headsets. All of them connected to FS and it works like a charm. You don't need the boot server it simple helps in large setups , firmware roll outs , etc BTW i'm using a plain FTP server ( Win Freeftpd). Also if the boot server is not present the phone will resume its normal boot , it complains , but proceeds. It only gets tricky if your have their "roaming profile" option enabled , and i do and it also works like a charm but it requires a boot server to be there. Sometimes you have to fight with the xml config to get the thing rolling. The only complain i have is with the low volume when using a headset , have to find the AMP option on the manual. A/t On 8/16/13 2:26 PM, Lawrence Conroy wrote:
Hi there again folks, for clarification, I don't know about the "pure SIP" versions or Poly deskphones -- I whinged only about the Lync variants of their DECT phones. In my case, once you've had one of your users blame you for the setup and describe the Polycom kirk butterfly as looking like a sanitary towel (only less useful), it's hard to retain your enthusiasm.
Do their pure SIP phones really need a separate boot server to be set up before they'll work properly? For central config sure, but for general operation of individual phones?
Re. SIP Deskphones, the Aastras seem to be popular on site and work quite well. We have a couple of hundred of them, and with no failures (at all) yet, so they must be pretty robust.
Older Cisco desk phones have left me with mental scars -- don't know about the new ones. [In the early days, Cisco's interpretation of SIP was kinda different, causing many debug sessions to find out what they needed] Grandstream 2K series worked, but suffered from unacceptable mains hum and odd little incompatibilities with fS. The Siemens/Gigaset SIP desk phones were pretty boring, IIRC, but had pretty good sound quality. For the others, can't say.
all the best, Lawrence
On 16 Aug 2013, at 13:34, Ken Rice wrote:
I’ve never found polycoms hard to debug or configure, you just need to set up a proper boot server for them... Once you do that, the configs are straight forward, and it’ll actually logs back to that server...
On 8/16/13 7:25 AM, "Peter Blackford" <peter@onemetric.com> wrote:
I HATE Polycoms they are hard to configure and hard to debug.
I really like the Cisco SPA series as they are reliable however also hard to debug. Snoms and Yealinks are good and a lot easier to debug (Pulling packet captures directly from the phone makes life a lot easier)
Just my 2c.
On 16 August 2013 20:35, Lawrence Conroy <lconroy@insensate.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Folks, +3 for the Gigasets. I have a number of these setups -- with different handsets. These are working fine with fS in all of my servers. TL;DR: I paid my own money for two of these for my own use. My wife doesn't know she's using SIP for all calls -- it's just a 'phone.
Voice Quality seems to be good, range is excellent, battery life is fine (though they spend most of their time in the desk stands, charging). I have not used bluetooth headsets with them, so can't talk on that. The 2.5 mm audio connector works fine (some folk prefer clipping the phone to their waist and wearing a headset -- YMMV). The N300A (consumer DECT SIP base station) voicemail is OK, but IMHO over-compresses. The in-built web server by which the base is configured is OK if slow. Configuring the base via a connected handset is possible, but like every manufacturer's version of that I've seen, it's not recommended for mere mortals without a lot of patience. [...and apart from the annoyance of the battery compartment door falling open if you drop them, and the handset NOT being waterproof/toiletproof, they're remarkably robust]
As for Polycom, can't speak for the "straight" SIP versions, but I have experience of their Lync DECT multicell system & handsets; IMHO these don't even reach the 'blows goats' level. Work has 50 of them; user feedback is that voice quality, coverage, battery life is "not as good as we might hope". Opinion seems to be that these are a step back from the siemens cellular DECT 'phones we had on the old "steam" PBX (being polite). Sigh. For all portable systems, Try before you buy.
all the best, Lawrence
On 16 Aug 2013, at 10:15, Andrew Cassidy wrote:
Polycom is the name I see the most on this list, I've some some experience with Snom and Grandstream. The do the job but my favourites are Cisco SPA50x series.
On 16 August 2013 08:22, Stanislav Sinyagin <ssinyagin@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Gigaset 610IP is a great cordless ip-phone. Works perfectly with >> FreeSWITCH. You can also have several handsets served from one base. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com> >> *To:* freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org >> *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2013 5:36 AM >> *Subject:* [Freeswitch-users] SIP phones - >> >> I am thinking of getting a couple of SIP phones for our system - I see >> some used on ebay. >> >> Are there ones to avoid? Good ones to seek? >> >> I have a couple of places where there needs to be a backup phone in case >> the workstation is >> rebooting. I can set up POE if that sounds like a good idea. >> >> Depending on what happens, I could then start retiring some of the analog >> phones replacing with SIP >> phones. >> >> The bits I'm finding on the web is almost all by someone selling and >> mostly spammy information. A >> few clues could go a long way. >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- >> Karl Schmidt EMail Karl@xtronics.com >> Transtronics, Inc. WEB >> http://secure.transtronics.com >> 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 <tel:%28785%29%20841-3089> >> Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 <tel:%28785%29%20841-0434> >> Never ruin an apology with an excuse. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: >> consulting@freeswitch.org >> http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com >> >> FreeSWITCH-powered IP PBX: The CudaTel Communication Server >> http://www.cudatel.com >> >> Official FreeSWITCH Sites >> http://www.freeswitch.org >> http://wiki.freeswitch.org >> http://www.cluecon.com >> >> FreeSWITCH-users mailing list >> FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org >> http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users >> UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users >> http://www.freeswitch.org >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: >> consulting@freeswitch.org >> http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com >> >> FreeSWITCH-powered IP PBX: The CudaTel Communication Server >> http://www.cudatel.com >> >> Official FreeSWITCH Sites >> http://www.freeswitch.org >> http://wiki.freeswitch.org >> http://www.cluecon.com >> >> FreeSWITCH-users mailing list >> FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org >> http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users >> UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users >> http://www.freeswitch.org >> >>
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Oops forgot about the major advantage , the webhooks you can force to phone to call home when it receives a phone call , etc Create some simple interactive apps ,etc. On 8/16/13 2:26 PM, Lawrence Conroy wrote:
Hi there again folks, for clarification, I don't know about the "pure SIP" versions or Poly deskphones -- I whinged only about the Lync variants of their DECT phones. In my case, once you've had one of your users blame you for the setup and describe the Polycom kirk butterfly as looking like a sanitary towel (only less useful), it's hard to retain your enthusiasm.
Do their pure SIP phones really need a separate boot server to be set up before they'll work properly? For central config sure, but for general operation of individual phones?
Re. SIP Deskphones, the Aastras seem to be popular on site and work quite well. We have a couple of hundred of them, and with no failures (at all) yet, so they must be pretty robust.
Older Cisco desk phones have left me with mental scars -- don't know about the new ones. [In the early days, Cisco's interpretation of SIP was kinda different, causing many debug sessions to find out what they needed] Grandstream 2K series worked, but suffered from unacceptable mains hum and odd little incompatibilities with fS. The Siemens/Gigaset SIP desk phones were pretty boring, IIRC, but had pretty good sound quality. For the others, can't say.
all the best, Lawrence
On 16 Aug 2013, at 13:34, Ken Rice wrote:
I’ve never found polycoms hard to debug or configure, you just need to set up a proper boot server for them... Once you do that, the configs are straight forward, and it’ll actually logs back to that server...
On 8/16/13 7:25 AM, "Peter Blackford" <peter@onemetric.com> wrote:
I HATE Polycoms they are hard to configure and hard to debug.
I really like the Cisco SPA series as they are reliable however also hard to debug. Snoms and Yealinks are good and a lot easier to debug (Pulling packet captures directly from the phone makes life a lot easier)
Just my 2c.
On 16 August 2013 20:35, Lawrence Conroy <lconroy@insensate.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Folks, +3 for the Gigasets. I have a number of these setups -- with different handsets. These are working fine with fS in all of my servers. TL;DR: I paid my own money for two of these for my own use. My wife doesn't know she's using SIP for all calls -- it's just a 'phone.
Voice Quality seems to be good, range is excellent, battery life is fine (though they spend most of their time in the desk stands, charging). I have not used bluetooth headsets with them, so can't talk on that. The 2.5 mm audio connector works fine (some folk prefer clipping the phone to their waist and wearing a headset -- YMMV). The N300A (consumer DECT SIP base station) voicemail is OK, but IMHO over-compresses. The in-built web server by which the base is configured is OK if slow. Configuring the base via a connected handset is possible, but like every manufacturer's version of that I've seen, it's not recommended for mere mortals without a lot of patience. [...and apart from the annoyance of the battery compartment door falling open if you drop them, and the handset NOT being waterproof/toiletproof, they're remarkably robust]
As for Polycom, can't speak for the "straight" SIP versions, but I have experience of their Lync DECT multicell system & handsets; IMHO these don't even reach the 'blows goats' level. Work has 50 of them; user feedback is that voice quality, coverage, battery life is "not as good as we might hope". Opinion seems to be that these are a step back from the siemens cellular DECT 'phones we had on the old "steam" PBX (being polite). Sigh. For all portable systems, Try before you buy.
all the best, Lawrence
On 16 Aug 2013, at 10:15, Andrew Cassidy wrote:
Polycom is the name I see the most on this list, I've some some experience with Snom and Grandstream. The do the job but my favourites are Cisco SPA50x series.
On 16 August 2013 08:22, Stanislav Sinyagin <ssinyagin@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Gigaset 610IP is a great cordless ip-phone. Works perfectly with >> FreeSWITCH. You can also have several handsets served from one base. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com> >> *To:* freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org >> *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2013 5:36 AM >> *Subject:* [Freeswitch-users] SIP phones - >> >> I am thinking of getting a couple of SIP phones for our system - I see >> some used on ebay. >> >> Are there ones to avoid? Good ones to seek? >> >> I have a couple of places where there needs to be a backup phone in case >> the workstation is >> rebooting. I can set up POE if that sounds like a good idea. >> >> Depending on what happens, I could then start retiring some of the analog >> phones replacing with SIP >> phones. >> >> The bits I'm finding on the web is almost all by someone selling and >> mostly spammy information. A >> few clues could go a long way. >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- >> Karl Schmidt EMail Karl@xtronics.com >> Transtronics, Inc. WEB >> http://secure.transtronics.com >> 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 <tel:%28785%29%20841-3089> >> Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 <tel:%28785%29%20841-0434> >> Never ruin an apology with an excuse. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: >> consulting@freeswitch.org >> http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com >> >> FreeSWITCH-powered IP PBX: The CudaTel Communication Server >> http://www.cudatel.com >> >> Official FreeSWITCH Sites >> http://www.freeswitch.org >> http://wiki.freeswitch.org >> http://www.cluecon.com >> >> FreeSWITCH-users mailing list >> FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org >> http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users >> UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users >> http://www.freeswitch.org >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: >> consulting@freeswitch.org >> http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com >> >> FreeSWITCH-powered IP PBX: The CudaTel Communication Server >> http://www.cudatel.com >> >> Official FreeSWITCH Sites >> http://www.freeswitch.org >> http://wiki.freeswitch.org >> http://www.cluecon.com >> >> FreeSWITCH-users mailing list >> FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org >> http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users >> UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users >> http://www.freeswitch.org >> >>
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Their pure sip phones do not require a boot server, but if you are deploying more then 1 it sure makes like a ton easier... In this case the boot server is little more then a webserver with the correct files loaded on it... I have found the web interfaces on the polycoms to be less than stellar... And its a little hard to expose all the buttons and knobs they have in a web interface... But simple configs are fairly straight forward... On 8/16/13 8:26 AM, "Lawrence Conroy" <lconroy@insensate.co.uk> wrote:
Hi there again folks, for clarification, I don't know about the "pure SIP" versions or Poly deskphones -- I whinged only about the Lync variants of their DECT phones. In my case, once you've had one of your users blame you for the setup and describe the Polycom kirk butterfly as looking like a sanitary towel (only less useful), it's hard to retain your enthusiasm.
Do their pure SIP phones really need a separate boot server to be set up before they'll work properly? For central config sure, but for general operation of individual phones?
Re. SIP Deskphones, the Aastras seem to be popular on site and work quite well. We have a couple of hundred of them, and with no failures (at all) yet, so they must be pretty robust.
Older Cisco desk phones have left me with mental scars -- don't know about the new ones. [In the early days, Cisco's interpretation of SIP was kinda different, causing many debug sessions to find out what they needed] Grandstream 2K series worked, but suffered from unacceptable mains hum and odd little incompatibilities with fS. The Siemens/Gigaset SIP desk phones were pretty boring, IIRC, but had pretty good sound quality. For the others, can't say.
all the best, Lawrence
On 16 Aug 2013, at 13:34, Ken Rice wrote:
I¹ve never found polycoms hard to debug or configure, you just need to set up a proper boot server for them... Once you do that, the configs are straight forward, and it¹ll actually logs back to that server...
On 8/16/13 7:25 AM, "Peter Blackford" <peter@onemetric.com> wrote:
I HATE Polycoms they are hard to configure and hard to debug.
I really like the Cisco SPA series as they are reliable however also hard to debug. Snoms and Yealinks are good and a lot easier to debug (Pulling packet captures directly from the phone makes life a lot easier)
Just my 2c.
On 16 August 2013 20:35, Lawrence Conroy <lconroy@insensate.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Folks, +3 for the Gigasets. I have a number of these setups -- with different handsets. These are working fine with fS in all of my servers. TL;DR: I paid my own money for two of these for my own use. My wife doesn't know she's using SIP for all calls -- it's just a 'phone.
Voice Quality seems to be good, range is excellent, battery life is fine (though they spend most of their time in the desk stands, charging). I have not used bluetooth headsets with them, so can't talk on that. The 2.5 mm audio connector works fine (some folk prefer clipping the phone to their waist and wearing a headset -- YMMV). The N300A (consumer DECT SIP base station) voicemail is OK, but IMHO over-compresses. The in-built web server by which the base is configured is OK if slow. Configuring the base via a connected handset is possible, but like every manufacturer's version of that I've seen, it's not recommended for mere mortals without a lot of patience. [...and apart from the annoyance of the battery compartment door falling open if you drop them, and the handset NOT being waterproof/toiletproof, they're remarkably robust]
As for Polycom, can't speak for the "straight" SIP versions, but I have experience of their Lync DECT multicell system & handsets; IMHO these don't even reach the 'blows goats' level. Work has 50 of them; user feedback is that voice quality, coverage, battery life is "not as good as we might hope". Opinion seems to be that these are a step back from the siemens cellular DECT 'phones we had on the old "steam" PBX (being polite). Sigh. For all portable systems, Try before you buy.
all the best, Lawrence
On 16 Aug 2013, at 10:15, Andrew Cassidy wrote:
Polycom is the name I see the most on this list, I've some some experience with Snom and Grandstream. The do the job but my favourites are Cisco SPA50x series.
On 16 August 2013 08:22, Stanislav Sinyagin <ssinyagin@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Gigaset 610IP is a great cordless ip-phone. Works perfectly with >> FreeSWITCH. You can also have several handsets served from one base. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com> >> *To:* freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org >> *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2013 5:36 AM >> *Subject:* [Freeswitch-users] SIP phones - >> >> I am thinking of getting a couple of SIP phones for our system - I see >> some used on ebay. >> >> Are there ones to avoid? Good ones to seek? >> >> I have a couple of places where there needs to be a backup phone in >> case >> the workstation is >> rebooting. I can set up POE if that sounds like a good idea. >> >> Depending on what happens, I could then start retiring some of the analog >> phones replacing with SIP >> phones. >> >> The bits I'm finding on the web is almost all by someone selling and >> mostly spammy information. A >> few clues could go a long way. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ----- >> Karl Schmidt EMail Karl@xtronics.com >> Transtronics, Inc. WEB >> http://secure.transtronics.com >> 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 <tel:%28785%29%20841-3089> >> Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 <tel:%28785%29%20841-0434> >> >> Never ruin an apology with an excuse. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ----- >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: >> consulting@freeswitch.org >> http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com >> >> FreeSWITCH-powered IP PBX: The CudaTel Communication Server >> http://www.cudatel.com >> >> Official FreeSWITCH Sites >> http://www.freeswitch.org >> http://wiki.freeswitch.org >> http://www.cluecon.com >> >> FreeSWITCH-users mailing list >> FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org >> http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users >> UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-user>>>>>>>> s >> http://www.freeswitch.org >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: >> consulting@freeswitch.org >> http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com >> >> FreeSWITCH-powered IP PBX: The CudaTel Communication Server >> http://www.cudatel.com >> >> Official FreeSWITCH Sites >> http://www.freeswitch.org >> http://wiki.freeswitch.org >> http://www.cluecon.com >> >> FreeSWITCH-users mailing list >> FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org >> http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users >> UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-user>>>>>>>> s >> http://www.freeswitch.org >> >>
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Polycoms work fine with freeswitch. The bootserver-config contains more options than you can configure using the phone, but you also have the builtin webtool of the phone, but I didn't use that a lot yet. A bootserver with a configfile gives you all the "power"..., but it isn't need to register a phone with freeswitch. You can do that from the phone or the web-interface of the polycom. Michel On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Lawrence Conroy <lconroy@insensate.co.uk>wrote:
Hi there again folks, for clarification, I don't know about the "pure SIP" versions or Poly deskphones -- I whinged only about the Lync variants of their DECT phones. In my case, once you've had one of your users blame you for the setup and describe the Polycom kirk butterfly as looking like a sanitary towel (only less useful), it's hard to retain your enthusiasm.
Do their pure SIP phones really need a separate boot server to be set up before they'll work properly? For central config sure, but for general operation of individual phones?
Re. SIP Deskphones, the Aastras seem to be popular on site and work quite well. We have a couple of hundred of them, and with no failures (at all) yet, so they must be pretty robust.
Older Cisco desk phones have left me with mental scars -- don't know about the new ones. [In the early days, Cisco's interpretation of SIP was kinda different, causing many debug sessions to find out what they needed] Grandstream 2K series worked, but suffered from unacceptable mains hum and odd little incompatibilities with fS. The Siemens/Gigaset SIP desk phones were pretty boring, IIRC, but had pretty good sound quality. For the others, can't say.
all the best, Lawrence
On 16 Aug 2013, at 13:34, Ken Rice wrote:
I’ve never found polycoms hard to debug or configure, you just need to set up a proper boot server for them... Once you do that, the configs are straight forward, and it’ll actually logs back to that server...
On 8/16/13 7:25 AM, "Peter Blackford" <peter@onemetric.com> wrote:
I HATE Polycoms they are hard to configure and hard to debug.
I really like the Cisco SPA series as they are reliable however also hard to debug. Snoms and Yealinks are good and a lot easier to debug (Pulling packet captures directly from the phone makes life a lot easier)
Just my 2c.
On 16 August 2013 20:35, Lawrence Conroy <lconroy@insensate.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Folks, +3 for the Gigasets. I have a number of these setups -- with different handsets. These are working fine with fS in all of my servers. TL;DR: I paid my own money for two of these for my own use. My wife doesn't know she's using SIP for all calls -- it's just a 'phone.
Voice Quality seems to be good, range is excellent, battery life is fine (though they spend most of their time in the desk stands, charging). I have not used bluetooth headsets with them, so can't talk on that. The 2.5 mm audio connector works fine (some folk prefer clipping the phone to their waist and wearing a headset -- YMMV). The N300A (consumer DECT SIP base station) voicemail is OK, but IMHO over-compresses. The in-built web server by which the base is configured is OK if slow. Configuring the base via a connected handset is possible, but like every manufacturer's version of that I've seen, it's not recommended for mere mortals without a lot of patience. [...and apart from the annoyance of the battery compartment door falling open if you drop them, and the handset NOT being waterproof/toiletproof, they're remarkably robust]
As for Polycom, can't speak for the "straight" SIP versions, but I have experience of their Lync DECT multicell system & handsets; IMHO these don't even reach the 'blows goats' level. Work has 50 of them; user feedback is that voice quality, coverage, battery life is "not as good as we might hope". Opinion seems to be that these are a step back from the siemens cellular DECT 'phones we had on the old "steam" PBX (being polite). Sigh. For all portable systems, Try before you buy.
all the best, Lawrence
On 16 Aug 2013, at 10:15, Andrew Cassidy wrote:
Polycom is the name I see the most on this list, I've some some experience with Snom and Grandstream. The do the job but my favourites are Cisco SPA50x series.
On 16 August 2013 08:22, Stanislav Sinyagin <ssinyagin@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Gigaset 610IP is a great cordless ip-phone. Works perfectly with >> FreeSWITCH. You can also have several handsets served from one base. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com> >> *To:* freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org >> *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2013 5:36 AM >> *Subject:* [Freeswitch-users] SIP phones - >> >> I am thinking of getting a couple of SIP phones for our system - I see >> some used on ebay. >> >> Are there ones to avoid? Good ones to seek? >> >> I have a couple of places where there needs to be a backup phone in case >> the workstation is >> rebooting. I can set up POE if that sounds like a good idea. >> >> Depending on what happens, I could then start retiring some of the analog >> phones replacing with SIP >> phones. >> >> The bits I'm finding on the web is almost all by someone selling and >> mostly spammy information. A >> few clues could go a long way. >> >> >> >> >> >>
----- >> Karl Schmidt EMail Karl@xtronics.com >> Transtronics, Inc. WEB >> http://secure.transtronics.com >> 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 <tel:%28785%29%20841-3089> >> Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 <tel:%28785%29%20841-0434> >> >> Never ruin an apology with an excuse. >> >>
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Adding to that. I can give you some scenario's in which the polycoms can crash in a HA-setup with 2 freeswitches (with firmware version 4), but there are way around it without reducing functionality (as far as we needed of course, but call-handling is fine. Didn't test BLF). Michel On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Michel Brabants <michel.brabants@gmail.com>wrote:
Polycoms work fine with freeswitch. The bootserver-config contains more options than you can configure using the phone, but you also have the builtin webtool of the phone, but I didn't use that a lot yet. A bootserver with a configfile gives you all the "power"..., but it isn't need to register a phone with freeswitch. You can do that from the phone or the web-interface of the polycom.
Michel
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Lawrence Conroy <lconroy@insensate.co.uk
wrote:
Hi there again folks, for clarification, I don't know about the "pure SIP" versions or Poly deskphones -- I whinged only about the Lync variants of their DECT phones. In my case, once you've had one of your users blame you for the setup and describe the Polycom kirk butterfly as looking like a sanitary towel (only less useful), it's hard to retain your enthusiasm.
Do their pure SIP phones really need a separate boot server to be set up before they'll work properly? For central config sure, but for general operation of individual phones?
Re. SIP Deskphones, the Aastras seem to be popular on site and work quite well. We have a couple of hundred of them, and with no failures (at all) yet, so they must be pretty robust.
Older Cisco desk phones have left me with mental scars -- don't know about the new ones. [In the early days, Cisco's interpretation of SIP was kinda different, causing many debug sessions to find out what they needed] Grandstream 2K series worked, but suffered from unacceptable mains hum and odd little incompatibilities with fS. The Siemens/Gigaset SIP desk phones were pretty boring, IIRC, but had pretty good sound quality. For the others, can't say.
all the best, Lawrence
On 16 Aug 2013, at 13:34, Ken Rice wrote:
I’ve never found polycoms hard to debug or configure, you just need to set up a proper boot server for them... Once you do that, the configs are straight forward, and it’ll actually logs back to that server...
On 8/16/13 7:25 AM, "Peter Blackford" <peter@onemetric.com> wrote:
I HATE Polycoms they are hard to configure and hard to debug.
I really like the Cisco SPA series as they are reliable however also hard to debug. Snoms and Yealinks are good and a lot easier to debug (Pulling packet captures directly from the phone makes life a lot easier)
Just my 2c.
On 16 August 2013 20:35, Lawrence Conroy <lconroy@insensate.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Folks, +3 for the Gigasets. I have a number of these setups -- with different handsets. These are working fine with fS in all of my servers. TL;DR: I paid my own money for two of these for my own use. My wife doesn't know she's using SIP for all calls -- it's just a 'phone.
Voice Quality seems to be good, range is excellent, battery life is fine (though they spend most of their time in the desk stands, charging). I have not used bluetooth headsets with them, so can't talk on that. The 2.5 mm audio connector works fine (some folk prefer clipping the phone to their waist and wearing a headset -- YMMV). The N300A (consumer DECT SIP base station) voicemail is OK, but IMHO over-compresses. The in-built web server by which the base is configured is OK if slow. Configuring the base via a connected handset is possible, but like every manufacturer's version of that I've seen, it's not recommended for mere mortals without a lot of patience. [...and apart from the annoyance of the battery compartment door falling open if you drop them, and the handset NOT being waterproof/toiletproof, they're remarkably robust]
As for Polycom, can't speak for the "straight" SIP versions, but I have experience of their Lync DECT multicell system & handsets; IMHO these don't even reach the 'blows goats' level. Work has 50 of them; user feedback is that voice quality, coverage, battery life is "not as good as we might hope". Opinion seems to be that these are a step back from the siemens cellular DECT 'phones we had on the old "steam" PBX (being polite). Sigh. For all portable systems, Try before you buy.
all the best, Lawrence
On 16 Aug 2013, at 10:15, Andrew Cassidy wrote:
> Polycom is the name I see the most on this list, I've some some experience > with Snom and Grandstream. The do the job but my favourites are Cisco > SPA50x series. > > > On 16 August 2013 08:22, Stanislav Sinyagin <ssinyagin@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> Gigaset 610IP is a great cordless ip-phone. Works perfectly with >>> FreeSWITCH. You can also have several handsets served from one base. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com> >>> *To:* freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org >>> *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2013 5:36 AM >>> *Subject:* [Freeswitch-users] SIP phones - >>> >>> I am thinking of getting a couple of SIP phones for our system - I see >>> some used on ebay. >>> >>> Are there ones to avoid? Good ones to seek? >>> >>> I have a couple of places where there needs to be a backup phone in case >>> the workstation is >>> rebooting. I can set up POE if that sounds like a good idea. >>> >>> Depending on what happens, I could then start retiring some of the > analog >>> phones replacing with SIP >>> phones. >>> >>> The bits I'm finding on the web is almost all by someone selling and >>> mostly spammy information. A >>> few clues could go a long way. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >
> ----- >>> Karl Schmidt EMail Karl@xtronics.com >>> Transtronics, Inc. WEB >>> http://secure.transtronics.com >>> 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 > <tel:%28785%29%20841-3089> >>> Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 > <tel:%28785%29%20841-0434> >>> >>> Never ruin an apology with an excuse. >>> >>> >
> ----- >>> >>> >
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> Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: > consulting@freeswitch.org > http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com > > FreeSWITCH-powered IP PBX: The CudaTel Communication Server > http://www.cudatel.com > > Official FreeSWITCH Sites > http://www.freeswitch.org > http://wiki.freeswitch.org > http://www.cluecon.com > > FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > http://www.freeswitch.org
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Do most of these phones offer a 'transfer' button? Do the Siemens/Gigaset Desk phones offer BLF that anyone has used? What about the Cisco SPA50x ? BLF is THE feature I need for the 2 phones. ( I haven't seen BLF on any of the softphones I played with.) I also have a page for soft-phones started- heavily Linux centered. http://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/Debian_Linux#Telephony_VoIP-_Video_chat These links are mostly my learning notes - There may be bits people want to grab and stick in wiki.freeswitch.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl Schmidt EMail Karl@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://secure.transtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 When a bureaucrat calls for accountability, it means he has found a way to game the system. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SPA50x has both blind and attended transfer buttons and BLF can be configured. Set server type on the Attendant Console tab to the RFC one, and set up the line keys. The line keys are multipurpose and programmable on these phones and can either be used to select sip accounts, as quick dial/BLF/call-pickup, or to launch custom XML applications. For the line key button settings you do: func=sd+blf;sub=<user>@$PROXY You can add in call pickup, too: func=sd+blf+cp;sub=<user>@$PROXY which when the monitored extension is ringing, pressing the button will dial **<user> (the user prepended with 2 asterisks) On 19 August 2013 19:42, Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com> wrote:
Do most of these phones offer a 'transfer' button?
Do the Siemens/Gigaset Desk phones offer BLF that anyone has used?
What about the Cisco SPA50x ?
BLF is THE feature I need for the 2 phones. ( I haven't seen BLF on any of the softphones I played with.)
I also have a page for soft-phones started- heavily Linux centered. http://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/Debian_Linux#Telephony_VoIP-_Video_chat
These links are mostly my learning notes - There may be bits people want to grab and stick in wiki.freeswitch.org
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl Schmidt EMail Karl@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://secure.transtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434
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And yes, most phones have transfer buttons. (Sorry for double post) On 20 August 2013 09:29, Andrew Cassidy <andrew@cassidywebservices.co.uk>wrote:
SPA50x has both blind and attended transfer buttons and BLF can be configured. Set server type on the Attendant Console tab to the RFC one, and set up the line keys. The line keys are multipurpose and programmable on these phones and can either be used to select sip accounts, as quick dial/BLF/call-pickup, or to launch custom XML applications.
For the line key button settings you do:
func=sd+blf;sub=<user>@$PROXY
You can add in call pickup, too:
func=sd+blf+cp;sub=<user>@$PROXY
which when the monitored extension is ringing, pressing the button will dial **<user> (the user prepended with 2 asterisks)
On 19 August 2013 19:42, Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com> wrote:
Do most of these phones offer a 'transfer' button?
Do the Siemens/Gigaset Desk phones offer BLF that anyone has used?
What about the Cisco SPA50x ?
BLF is THE feature I need for the 2 phones. ( I haven't seen BLF on any of the softphones I played with.)
I also have a page for soft-phones started- heavily Linux centered. http://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/Debian_Linux#Telephony_VoIP-_Video_chat
These links are mostly my learning notes - There may be bits people want to grab and stick in wiki.freeswitch.org
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl Schmidt EMail Karl@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://secure.transtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434
When a bureaucrat calls for accountability, it means he has found a way to game the system.
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*T <info@cassidywebservices.co.uk> *03300 100 960 *F<info@cassidywebservices.co.uk> *03300 100 961 *E <info@cassidywebservices.co.uk> *andrew@cassidywebservices.co.uk *W <info@cassidywebservices.co.uk> *www.cassidywebservices.co.uk
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for BLF on softphones, check the Counterpath Bria-softphones. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com> wrote:
Do most of these phones offer a 'transfer' button?
Do the Siemens/Gigaset Desk phones offer BLF that anyone has used?
What about the Cisco SPA50x ?
BLF is THE feature I need for the 2 phones. ( I haven't seen BLF on any of the softphones I played with.)
I also have a page for soft-phones started- heavily Linux centered. http://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/Debian_Linux#Telephony_VoIP-_Video_chat
These links are mostly my learning notes - There may be bits people want to grab and stick in wiki.freeswitch.org
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl Schmidt EMail Karl@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://secure.transtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434
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My personal experiences leave me with the following list by most to least preferred: Polycom Cisco SPA 5xx Yealink Aastra Grandstream All of them have issues. Some are easier than others to work around. Some are better for NATed environments. It really just depends what you need in your particular situation. -Ray
/sbin/ifconfig $1 | grep "inet addr" | awk -F: '{print $2}' | awk '{print $1}'
To make it a bit less ancient: ======== /bin/ip -o addr show | grep inet | awk '{print $4}' | awk -F/ '{print $1}' or just for eth0: /bin/ip -o addr show eth0 | grep inet | awk '{print $4}' | awk -F/ '{print $1}' ======== This might be an interesting article to read, regarding ifconfig: http://inai.de/2008/02/19 Further interesting peace of information regarding linux/iptables (section 'Mythbusting time') see: http://inai.de/links/iptables/ I hope this information may be usefull to you. -- EL
Wishlist Jira ticket: http://jira.freeswitch.org/browse/FS-5709 I have a patch I will attach to the ticket shortly that implements this feature (at least on most Linux platforms). On 15 August 2013 20:15, Anthony Minessale <anthony.minessale@gmail.com>wrote:
No such functionality, meanwhile you could use the #exec config directive similar to SSI in apache to manually run a shell command every time the config is loaded to call a command that prints the ip. On Aug 15, 2013 2:08 PM, "Steven Ayre" <steveayre@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally I think allowing something like <param name="sip-ip" value="interface:eth0"/> to pick up the primary IP of that interface might work best.
Anthm, can you clarify if FS already has any such functionality? Or time for a wishlist Jira?
Doing so could work alongside auto-restart=true and therefore pick up IP changes such as when using DHCP.
On 15 August 2013 20:00, Steven Ayre <steveayre@gmail.com> wrote:
I was going to suggest this too, but if it's on a LAN I'm guessing there won't be a server and serving it from httpd on the localhost would only see 127.0.0.1
...although you could lookup the current IP of the LAN interface from a script on the local webserver.
-Steve
On 15 August 2013 13:14, Raymond Chandler <intralanman@freeswitch.org>wrote:
Alternatively, you could use xml_curl to serve your configs so that you don't actually need local_ip_v4 as you can figure it out based on the IP hitting the web server. Doing that will allow you to set the IP in all of the configs that need it using functionality that already exists in FreeSWITCH today.
-Ray
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Andrew Cassidy
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Anthony Minessale
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Antonio Teixeira
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Avi Marcus
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Brian Foster
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EL
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François
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I put the Who? in Mishehu
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Jeff Leung
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Karl Schmidt
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Ken Rice
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Kevin Wormington
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Lawrence Conroy
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Michel Brabants
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Moishe Grunstein
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Patrick Lists
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Peter Blackford
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Raymond Chandler
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Siri MM
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Stanislav Sinyagin
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Steven Ayre