FS failover redundancy & load balancing
Hi, I can't find much info on setting up a redundant or heavy load FreeSwitch implementation. Are there any links apart from: http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Enterprise_deployment ? I imagine the entry level solution is to have two FS boxes configured identitcally, with redundant SBC software (recommendations?) in front, passing the calls to the primary FS box, or the backup FS box if the primary is not responding. Is that the easiest solution? What about a situation of having a level of concurrent calls beyond what one FS box can handle? I realise that would be a very large number of concurrent calls, but we would need a good plan on how to scale the systems. Are there recommendations for load balancing solutions? Either soft or hardware? My guess would be having 3 + 1 spare FS servers would work, where calls are distributed accross 3 FS boxes by a load balancer with one spare in event of failure. Also how would a FS box at max capacity behave? Does FS monitor available resources and reject the excess calls that it can't handle? Or would the load balancer have to be configured with the maximum number of calls per box? Would love to hear some experiences of deploying FS with failover & high load. Thanks Ash
Hi Ashley, One easy solution is to use a SIP proxy (opensips/kamailio/...) in front of FS boxes to load balance the charge between boxes. FS already has mechanisms to limit number of calls per boxes ( in switch.conf.xml: max-sessions and sessions-per-second ), that you can couple to load_balancing modules of the sip proxies. Of course you'll have to test to know how many session one box can handle, has it depends a lot on your usage of FS. Don' hesitate to join us on IRC if you want to discuss it ;) Regards, Gled Ashley van Gerven a écrit :
Hi,
I can't find much info on setting up a redundant or heavy load FreeSwitch implementation. Are there any links apart from: http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Enterprise_deployment ?
I imagine the entry level solution is to have two FS boxes configured identitcally, with redundant SBC software (recommendations?) in front, passing the calls to the primary FS box, or the backup FS box if the primary is not responding. Is that the easiest solution?
What about a situation of having a level of concurrent calls beyond what one FS box can handle? I realise that would be a very large number of concurrent calls, but we would need a good plan on how to scale the systems.
Are there recommendations for load balancing solutions? Either soft or hardware?
My guess would be having 3 + 1 spare FS servers would work, where calls are distributed accross 3 FS boxes by a load balancer with one spare in event of failure.
Also how would a FS box at max capacity behave? Does FS monitor available resources and reject the excess calls that it can't handle? Or would the load balancer have to be configured with the maximum number of calls per box?
Would love to hear some experiences of deploying FS with failover & high load.
Thanks Ash
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Ashley van Gerven pisze:
Hi,
I can't find much info on setting up a redundant or heavy load FreeSwitch implementation. Are there any links apart from: http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Enterprise_deployment ?
I imagine the entry level solution is to have two FS boxes configured identitcally, with redundant SBC software (recommendations?) in front, passing the calls to the primary FS box, or the backup FS box if the primary is not responding. Is that the easiest solution?
What about a situation of having a level of concurrent calls beyond what one FS box can handle? I realise that would be a very large number of concurrent calls, but we would need a good plan on how to scale the systems.
Are there recommendations for load balancing solutions? Either soft or hardware?
My guess would be having 3 + 1 spare FS servers would work, where calls are distributed accross 3 FS boxes by a load balancer with one spare in event of failure.
Also how would a FS box at max capacity behave? Does FS monitor available resources and reject the excess calls that it can't handle? Or would the load balancer have to be configured with the maximum number of calls per box? I did not think yet about HA nor LB.
I tested how FS handles high load. All my calls are placed in mod_conference. When cpu usage gets it's limits then new calls can be placed but sound quality is getting worst with every next call. When calls are hanged up then sound gets better. I did not test it to see what happens when more and more calls are created. FS has very low memory consumption and I think that CPU is the limit. I did not notice any monitoring of CPU usage by FS, but my installation is limited to only few modules, so maybe I'm missing something.
Would love to hear some experiences of deploying FS with failover & high
My failover is currently made by shell script which every 10 seconds check for working FS and restarts it if it does not work. I use svn trunk so crash happens once a while, but they are successfully fixed by developers. Once there was a problem that conference module was stuck and did not respond to my commands. I made script with netcat which checks once a while for response and restarts if there is none.
load.
Thanks Ash
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On Apr 2, 2009, at 4:13 AM, Szymon Olko wrote:
I did not think yet about HA nor LB.
I tested how FS handles high load. All my calls are placed in mod_conference. When cpu usage gets it's limits then new calls can be placed but sound quality is getting worst with every next call. When calls are hanged up then sound gets better. I did not test it to see what happens when more and more calls are created. FS has very low memory consumption and I think that CPU is the limit. I did not notice any monitoring of CPU usage by FS, but my installation is limited to only few modules, so maybe I'm missing something.
Load testing against the conference module is about the worst thing you can do... tossing 100+ people in the same conference isn't going to scale well for load testing because its not something you usually do in a real world scenario. Usually you'll have most of the participants muted. I highly recommend you try doing something like a bridge or a file playback from a ram disk.
Would love to hear some experiences of deploying FS with failover & high
My failover is currently made by shell script which every 10 seconds check for working FS and restarts it if it does not work. I use svn trunk so crash happens once a while, but they are successfully fixed by developers.
Once there was a problem that conference module was stuck and did not respond to my commands. I made script with netcat which checks once a while for response and restarts if there is none.
load.
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Brian West pisze:
On Apr 2, 2009, at 4:13 AM, Szymon Olko wrote:
I did not think yet about HA nor LB.
I tested how FS handles high load. All my calls are placed in mod_conference. When cpu usage gets it's limits then new calls can be placed but sound quality is getting worst with every next call. When calls are hanged up then sound gets better. I did not test it to see what happens when more and more calls are created. FS has very low memory consumption and I think that CPU is the limit. I did not notice any monitoring of CPU usage by FS, but my installation is limited to only few modules, so maybe I'm missing something.
Load testing against the conference module is about the worst thing you can do... tossing 100+ people in the same conference isn't going to scale well for load testing because its not something you usually do in a real world scenario. Usually you'll have most of the participants muted.
I highly recommend you try doing something like a bridge or a file playback from a ram disk.
I did not described it perfectly. I made agents, queues scenarios on conferences. This what I tested was for example 100 calls, so it's 200 channels, and 100 conferences, 2 channels per conference, all are unmuted. I did that just because it is my work scenario.
Would love to hear some experiences of deploying FS with failover & high
My failover is currently made by shell script which every 10 seconds check for working FS and restarts it if it does not work. I use svn trunk so crash happens once a while, but they are successfully fixed by developers.
Once there was a problem that conference module was stuck and did not respond to my commands. I made script with netcat which checks once a while for response and restarts if there is none.
load.
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what kind of hardware? /b On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Szymon Olko wrote:
I did not described it perfectly. I made agents, queues scenarios on conferences. This what I tested was for example 100 calls, so it's 200 channels, and 100 conferences, 2 channels per conference, all are unmuted. I did that just because it is my work scenario.
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Brian West pisze:
what kind of hardware?
I made testes on Pentium-M laptop with single core 1,6Hz. I did not write those results, it was over 100 calls that was handle good, I was just curios what will happen. Tomorrow I will make real testes. My production works on 2 core P4 and I have there only 35 agents CPU load is like 7% with 15% small peeks. All phones are sip or analog via sip gateways, PRI is currently still on asterisk which is connected via sip.
/b
On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Szymon Olko wrote:
I did not described it perfectly. I made agents, queues scenarios on conferences. This what I tested was for example 100 calls, so it's 200 channels, and 100 conferences, 2 channels per conference, all are unmuted. I did that just because it is my work scenario.
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How do you load balance conference calls? Doesn't all the conference members have to be on the same freeswitch server? On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Szymon Olko <solko@gcdf.pl> wrote:
Brian West pisze:
what kind of hardware?
I made testes on Pentium-M laptop with single core 1,6Hz. I did not write those results, it was over 100 calls that was handle good, I was just curios what will happen. Tomorrow I will make real testes. My production works on 2 core P4 and I have there only 35 agents CPU load is like 7% with 15% small peeks.
All phones are sip or analog via sip gateways, PRI is currently still on asterisk which is connected via sip.
/b
On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Szymon Olko wrote:
I did not described it perfectly. I made agents, queues scenarios on conferences. This what I tested was for example 100 calls, so it's 200 channels, and 100 conferences, 2 channels per conference, all are unmuted. I did that just because it is my work scenario.
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Henry Huang pisze:
How do you load balance conference calls? Doesn't all the conference members have to be on the same freeswitch server?
As I wrote I do not load balance them yet. I didn't investigate that but what comes to my mind is to setup 2 FS end register agents to one of them (load balance them), sip phones through proxy server. Then one separate FS for incoming calls and in that FS place my queue system. When incoming call needs to be connected to agent then right FS machine would be choosen. This just idea I believe that in time I will need something like that FS developers will give us some modules or other options.
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Szymon Olko <solko@gcdf.pl> wrote:
Brian West pisze: > what kind of hardware? > I made testes on Pentium-M laptop with single core 1,6Hz. I did not write those results, it was over 100 calls that was handle good, I was just curios what will happen. Tomorrow I will make real testes. My production works on 2 core P4 and I have there only 35 agents CPU load is like 7% with 15% small peeks.
All phones are sip or analog via sip gateways, PRI is currently still on asterisk which is connected via sip.
> /b > > On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Szymon Olko wrote: > >> I did not described it perfectly. I made agents, queues scenarios on >> conferences. >> This what I tested was for example 100 calls, so it's 200 channels, >> and 100 conferences, 2 channels per conference, all are >> unmuted. I did that just because it is my work scenario. > > Brian West > brian@freeswitch.org <mailto:brian@freeswitch.org> <mailto:brian@freeswitch.org <mailto:brian@freeswitch.org>> > > -- Meet us a ClueCon! http://www.cluecon.com <http://www.cluecon.com/> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Freeswitch-users mailing list > Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org <mailto:Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > http://www.freeswitch.org
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Hi Ashley, A very simple HA solution can be achieved by using SRV. But according to your email, the solution that comes to my mind is the following: PSTN Gw --> OpenSIPs stateless w/ dispatcher module --> many FS boxes And if you want a balanced distribution of the calls, you can write a piece of code to keep statistics of your active sessions in a db. Each time a call arrives to a FS box, you trigger your piece of code to store a session record in a db and when the call ends you update the statistics in the db. This way, OpenSIPs can ask this db before making the decision where to route an incoming call. Fail over? If OpenSIPs gets a time out, just try with the next FS box. I hope it helps you. Pablo 2009/4/2 Ashley van Gerven <ashley.ohq@gmail.com>
Hi,
I can't find much info on setting up a redundant or heavy load FreeSwitch implementation. Are there any links apart from: http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Enterprise_deployment ?
I imagine the entry level solution is to have two FS boxes configured identitcally, with redundant SBC software (recommendations?) in front, passing the calls to the primary FS box, or the backup FS box if the primary is not responding. Is that the easiest solution?
What about a situation of having a level of concurrent calls beyond what one FS box can handle? I realise that would be a very large number of concurrent calls, but we would need a good plan on how to scale the systems.
Are there recommendations for load balancing solutions? Either soft or hardware?
My guess would be having 3 + 1 spare FS servers would work, where calls are distributed accross 3 FS boxes by a load balancer with one spare in event of failure.
Also how would a FS box at max capacity behave? Does FS monitor available resources and reject the excess calls that it can't handle? Or would the load balancer have to be configured with the maximum number of calls per box?
Would love to hear some experiences of deploying FS with failover & high load.
Thanks Ash
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You could try (although it's somewhat bleeding edge) to use OpenSIPS 1.5 with load_balancer (not heavily tested, btw) in front of some FreeSWITCH machines: http://www.opensips.org/html/docs/modules/devel/load_balancer.html 2009/4/2 Ashley van Gerven <ashley.ohq@gmail.com>:
Hi,
I can't find much info on setting up a redundant or heavy load FreeSwitch implementation. Are there any links apart from: http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Enterprise_deployment ?
I imagine the entry level solution is to have two FS boxes configured identitcally, with redundant SBC software (recommendations?) in front, passing the calls to the primary FS box, or the backup FS box if the primary is not responding. Is that the easiest solution?
What about a situation of having a level of concurrent calls beyond what one FS box can handle? I realise that would be a very large number of concurrent calls, but we would need a good plan on how to scale the systems.
Are there recommendations for load balancing solutions? Either soft or hardware?
My guess would be having 3 + 1 spare FS servers would work, where calls are distributed accross 3 FS boxes by a load balancer with one spare in event of failure.
Also how would a FS box at max capacity behave? Does FS monitor available resources and reject the excess calls that it can't handle? Or would the load balancer have to be configured with the maximum number of calls per box?
Would love to hear some experiences of deploying FS with failover & high load.
Thanks Ash
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Hi Kristian, you're right. Definitively that will be best solution as soon as it's released as stable (it's alpha now). http://www.opensips.org/index.php?n=Resources.DocsTutLoadbalancing Pablo On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Kristian Kielhofner < kristian.kielhofner@gmail.com> wrote:
You could try (although it's somewhat bleeding edge) to use OpenSIPS 1.5 with load_balancer (not heavily tested, btw) in front of some FreeSWITCH machines:
http://www.opensips.org/html/docs/modules/devel/load_balancer.html
2009/4/2 Ashley van Gerven <ashley.ohq@gmail.com>:
Hi,
I can't find much info on setting up a redundant or heavy load FreeSwitch implementation. Are there any links apart from: http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Enterprise_deployment?
I imagine the entry level solution is to have two FS boxes configured identitcally, with redundant SBC software (recommendations?) in front, passing the calls to the primary FS box, or the backup FS box if the primary is not responding. Is that the easiest solution?
What about a situation of having a level of concurrent calls beyond what one FS box can handle? I realise that would be a very large number of concurrent calls, but we would need a good plan on how to scale the systems.
Are there recommendations for load balancing solutions? Either soft or hardware?
My guess would be having 3 + 1 spare FS servers would work, where calls are distributed accross 3 FS boxes by a load balancer with one spare in event of failure.
Also how would a FS box at max capacity behave? Does FS monitor available resources and reject the excess calls that it can't handle? Or would the load balancer have to be configured with the maximum number of calls per box?
Would love to hear some experiences of deploying FS with failover & high load.
Thanks Ash
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Where do you guys read that it's in alpha? On the opensips.org they proclaim OpenSips 1.5 released, with that module being one of the new features. I don't see any mention of it being alpha/beta functionality? Best regards, Even André On 4. april. 2009, at 00.30, Pablo Hernan Saro wrote:
Hi Kristian, you're right. Definitively that will be best solution as soon as it's released as stable (it's alpha now). http://www.opensips.org/index.php?n=Resources.DocsTutLoadbalancing
Pablo
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Kristian Kielhofner <kristian.kielhofner@gmail.com
wrote: You could try (although it's somewhat bleeding edge) to use OpenSIPS 1.5 with load_balancer (not heavily tested, btw) in front of some FreeSWITCH machines:
http://www.opensips.org/html/docs/modules/devel/load_balancer.html
2009/4/2 Ashley van Gerven <ashley.ohq@gmail.com>:
Hi,
I can't find much info on setting up a redundant or heavy load FreeSwitch implementation. Are there any links apart from: http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Enterprise_deployment ?
I imagine the entry level solution is to have two FS boxes configured identitcally, with redundant SBC software (recommendations?) in front, passing the calls to the primary FS box, or the backup FS box if the primary is not responding. Is that the easiest solution?
What about a situation of having a level of concurrent calls beyond what one FS box can handle? I realise that would be a very large number of concurrent calls, but we would need a good plan on how to scale the systems.
Are there recommendations for load balancing solutions? Either soft or hardware?
My guess would be having 3 + 1 spare FS servers would work, where calls are distributed accross 3 FS boxes by a load balancer with one spare in event of failure.
Also how would a FS box at max capacity behave? Does FS monitor available resources and reject the excess calls that it can't handle? Or would the load balancer have to be configured with the maximum number of calls per box?
Would love to hear some experiences of deploying FS with failover & high load.
Thanks Ash
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Not opensips but the module is in alpha. In the modules doc page says "alpha/new". Pablo On 4/3/09, Even André Fiskvik <grevenx@me.com> wrote:
Where do you guys read that it's in alpha? On the opensips.org they proclaim OpenSips 1.5 released, with that module being one of the new features. I don't see any mention of it being alpha/beta functionality?
Best regards, Even André
On 4. april. 2009, at 00.30, Pablo Hernan Saro wrote:
Hi Kristian, you're right. Definitively that will be best solution as soon as it's released as stable (it's alpha now). http://www.opensips.org/index.php?n=Resources.DocsTutLoadbalancing
Pablo
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Kristian Kielhofner <kristian.kielhofner@gmail.com
wrote: You could try (although it's somewhat bleeding edge) to use OpenSIPS 1.5 with load_balancer (not heavily tested, btw) in front of some FreeSWITCH machines:
http://www.opensips.org/html/docs/modules/devel/load_balancer.html
2009/4/2 Ashley van Gerven <ashley.ohq@gmail.com>:
Hi,
I can't find much info on setting up a redundant or heavy load FreeSwitch implementation. Are there any links apart from: http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Enterprise_deployment ?
I imagine the entry level solution is to have two FS boxes configured identitcally, with redundant SBC software (recommendations?) in front, passing the calls to the primary FS box, or the backup FS box if the primary is not responding. Is that the easiest solution?
What about a situation of having a level of concurrent calls beyond what one FS box can handle? I realise that would be a very large number of concurrent calls, but we would need a good plan on how to scale the systems.
Are there recommendations for load balancing solutions? Either soft or hardware?
My guess would be having 3 + 1 spare FS servers would work, where calls are distributed accross 3 FS boxes by a load balancer with one spare in event of failure.
Also how would a FS box at max capacity behave? Does FS monitor available resources and reject the excess calls that it can't handle? Or would the load balancer have to be configured with the maximum number of calls per box?
Would love to hear some experiences of deploying FS with failover & high load.
Thanks Ash
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Pablo, It is very cool and a very compelling reason to upgrade/move to OpenSIPS 1.5. I'm running (mostly) OpenSIPS 1.4.4/1.4.5 now and it's rock solid (as usual). It's really an excellent complement to FreeSWITCH! I will be doing testing with 1.5 and the new load balancer module shortly. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Pablo Hernan Saro <pablosaro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Kristian, you're right. Definitively that will be best solution as soon as it's released as stable (it's alpha now). http://www.opensips.org/index.php?n=Resources.DocsTutLoadbalancing
Pablo
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Hi Kristian, Let us know your experience as soon as you try it. Why not write a wiki page? =) On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Kristian Kielhofner < kristian.kielhofner@gmail.com> wrote:
Pablo,
It is very cool and a very compelling reason to upgrade/move to OpenSIPS 1.5. I'm running (mostly) OpenSIPS 1.4.4/1.4.5 now and it's rock solid (as usual). It's really an excellent complement to FreeSWITCH!
I will be doing testing with 1.5 and the new load balancer module shortly.
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Pablo Hernan Saro <pablosaro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Kristian, you're right. Definitively that will be best solution as soon as it's released as stable (it's alpha now). http://www.opensips.org/index.php?n=Resources.DocsTutLoadbalancing
Pablo
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Hey Pablo, Wiki page? I just might! :) On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Pablo Hernan Saro <pablosaro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Kristian,
Let us know your experience as soon as you try it. Why not write a wiki page? =)
-- Kristian Kielhofner http://blog.krisk.org http://www.submityoursip.com http://www.astlinux.org http://www.star2star.com
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Ashley van Gerven
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Brian West
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Even André Fiskvik
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Henry Huang
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Kristian Kielhofner
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Pablo Hernan Saro
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Szymon Olko
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Tristan