WiFi IP VOIP SIP phones
HI, Can anyone recommend a good quality WiFi (wireless IP) VOIP Phone that works with FS? Looking for < $200 and top quality functionality. Thanks, Sean
Not strictly WiFi but if a DECT SIP phone will suffice, the Panasonic KX-TGP500s are great. -----Original message----- From: Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> To: FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org Sent: Sat, May 4, 2013 19:56:55 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Freeswitch-users] WiFi IP VOIP SIP phones
The SNOM DECT model is inexpensive and really good as well On May 4, 2013 3:23 PM, "Spencer Thomason" <spencer@5ninesolutions.com> wrote:
Not strictly WiFi but if a DECT SIP phone will suffice, the Panasonic KX-TGP500s are great.
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I use at home snom m9 without problems El may 4, 2013 4:28 p.m., "Blake Priddy" <bpriddy@bryantschools.org> escribió:
The SNOM DECT model is inexpensive and really good as well On May 4, 2013 3:23 PM, "Spencer Thomason" <spencer@5ninesolutions.com> wrote:
Not strictly WiFi but if a DECT SIP phone will suffice, the Panasonic KX-TGP500s are great.
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*From: *Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com>* To: *FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org* Sent: *Sat, May 4, 2013 19:56:55 GMT+00:00* Subject: *[Freeswitch-users] WiFi IP VOIP SIP phones
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Ive used the Snom m3 and m9.. the Siemens c610ip and a510 are way better in feel/call quality and cheaper, not tried any others yet From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2013 12:44 PM To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] WiFi IP VOIP SIP phones I use at home snom m9 without problems El may 4, 2013 4:28 p.m., "Blake Priddy" <bpriddy@bryantschools.org> escribió: The SNOM DECT model is inexpensive and really good as well On May 4, 2013 3:23 PM, "Spencer Thomason" <spencer@5ninesolutions.com> wrote: Not strictly WiFi but if a DECT SIP phone will suffice, the Panasonic KX-TGP500s are great. -----Original message----- From: Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> To: FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org Sent: Sat, May 4, 2013 19:56:55 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Freeswitch-users] WiFi IP VOIP SIP phones _________________________________________________________________________ Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: consulting@freeswitch.org http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com FreeSWITCH-powered IP PBX: The CudaTel Communication Server http://www.cudatel.com Official FreeSWITCH Sites http://www.freeswitch.org http://wiki.freeswitch.org http://www.cluecon.com FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org _________________________________________________________________________ Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: consulting@freeswitch.org http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com FreeSWITCH-powered IP PBX: The CudaTel Communication Server http://www.cudatel.com Official FreeSWITCH Sites http://www.freeswitch.org http://wiki.freeswitch.org http://www.cluecon.com FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Hi Folks, +1 -- I use multiple Siemens S675IP DECT 'phones. Voice quality good (supports G722 and speakerphone is OK, unlike some), range is excellent, Battery life good, and they just work (assuming you don't drop them out of a pocket into the loo, which is how most of my company's DECT 'phones die). BTW, note that, for large campus sites, there's always something like <http://gigaset.com/pro/uk/en/pages/index.html> Their CAL pricing for what is a basic SIP server is laughable, but the DECT base stations and cellular controller are not too painful (i.e. it's a good fit with fS ;). I have to add; SNOM DECT 'phones are OK-good, Panys you either like or don't, but Polycom DECT phones are too toxic for landfill, IMHO. Problem I've seen with WIFi phones is battery life is not good, range is less than DECT, and I haven't seen a *really* new design for quite a while. Power is always going to be a problem, as WiFi Tx power is higher than DECT, and the link layer's more "chatty" on standby. all the best, Lawrence On 5 May 2013, at 04:16, Mr Nathan Downes wrote:
I’ve used the Snom m3 and m9.. the Siemens c610ip and a510 are way better in feel/call quality and cheaper, not tried any others yet
From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2013 12:44 PM To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] WiFi IP VOIP SIP phones
I use at home snom m9 without problems
El may 4, 2013 4:28 p.m., "Blake Priddy" <bpriddy@bryantschools.org> escribió:
The SNOM DECT model is inexpensive and really good as well
On May 4, 2013 3:23 PM, "Spencer Thomason" <spencer@5ninesolutions.com> wrote:
Not strictly WiFi but if a DECT SIP phone will suffice, the Panasonic KX-TGP500s are great.
-----Original message-----
From: Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> To: FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org Sent: Sat, May 4, 2013 19:56:55 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Freeswitch-users] WiFi IP VOIP SIP phones
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Thanks to everyone who answered. I am dealing with a language barrier with this customer so bear with me. Now that I understand where these phones are actually going, I can refine my query. The basic concept is to change a boarding house with 12 rooms on a single analog line to VOIP with individual extensions. 6 of the rooms are wired or will be added easily. The other 6 rooms cannot be wire but will have WiFi access. It sounds like WiFi desk phones would be fine. Single Line/Extension is good. So, can 6 WiFi/DECT phones on distinct bases coexist in the same radio range? Now I see Blake has already replied and the SNOM can have a single base with up to 10 non-shared extensions! I guess that would be a strategically placed base and 6 charger/handsets. I shall ready up on SNOM. Would WiFi dongles on Desk phones work better for this venue? Sean -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence Conroy Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 9:05 AM To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] WiFi IP VOIP SIP phones Hi Folks, +1 -- I use multiple Siemens S675IP DECT 'phones. Voice quality good (supports G722 and speakerphone is OK, unlike some), range is excellent, Battery life good, and they just work (assuming you don't drop them out of a pocket into the loo, which is how most of my company's DECT 'phones die). BTW, note that, for large campus sites, there's always something like <http://gigaset.com/pro/uk/en/pages/index.html> Their CAL pricing for what is a basic SIP server is laughable, but the DECT base stations and cellular controller are not too painful (i.e. it's a good fit with fS ;). I have to add; SNOM DECT 'phones are OK-good, Panys you either like or don't, but Polycom DECT phones are too toxic for landfill, IMHO. Problem I've seen with WIFi phones is battery life is not good, range is less than DECT, and I haven't seen a *really* new design for quite a while. Power is always going to be a problem, as WiFi Tx power is higher than DECT, and the link layer's more "chatty" on standby. all the best, Lawrence On 5 May 2013, at 04:16, Mr Nathan Downes wrote:
Ive used the Snom m3 and m9.. the Siemens c610ip and a510 are way better in feel/call quality and cheaper, not tried any others yet
From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2013 12:44 PM To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] WiFi IP VOIP SIP phones
I use at home snom m9 without problems
El may 4, 2013 4:28 p.m., "Blake Priddy" <bpriddy@bryantschools.org> escribió:
The SNOM DECT model is inexpensive and really good as well
On May 4, 2013 3:23 PM, "Spencer Thomason" <spencer@5ninesolutions.com> wrote:
Not strictly WiFi but if a DECT SIP phone will suffice, the Panasonic KX-TGP500s are great.
-----Original message-----
From: Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> To: FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org Sent: Sat, May 4, 2013 19:56:55 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Freeswitch-users] WiFi IP VOIP SIP phones
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I've dealt with a similar situation. I work for a property management company, and at one stage we were developing a strategy to basically resell voip service to tenants. Each would have a phone and prepay for minutes. We even tbought about having a kiosk to top up their account when needed by credit card. They could also top up by paying a little extra on top of their rent which would then be applied to their voip account. We ended up not doing it. And here's why: 1. WiFi/DECT phones are too expensive to replace. They would get beat up or lost. It's just too risky. On top of that, WiFi just isn't great at all for real-time media such as voip. You could do some tweaking to mitigate some of the issues, but it's still not worth it. Use DECT if you really want to go down this route. You could rent the phones, but due to our clientele at this property, it wasn't feasible. 2. We thought about using an FXS channel bank and running copper to every room. It takes care of the lost phone issue, and the tenant would be responsible for their phone because, well, they bought it. If the tenant wouldn't have been able to afford it, we could have set them up on a payment plan for a cordless phone. In total, we would have needed 16 channels, plus one for the office. Basically, a 24 port channel bank. They are relatively inexpensive, especially considering the use of wifi/dect phones. Unfortunately, there is not much in it if you want any sort of ROI. It would take a few years to get it, and by that time you wouldn't be far from replacing the equipment you originally installed. That's also being optimistic, as that estimate would assume 70% occupancy. Now there are several ways we could have pursued this further, but then the Obamaphone came out and by then, there was no demand. So, I'm not saying it will never work. It's just difficult and requires some major number crunching to make sure you stay above water. If there were 50 units, that would be a major help. But this property only has 16. If you need some help, I'd be happy to, ping me off list. I spent six months off and on studying the feasibility of such a venture. There's a lot of things you need to be aware of, and you need to know your client's habits. -BDF Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S4 On May 5, 2013 12:36 PM, "Sean Devoy" <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> wrote:
Thanks to everyone who answered. I am dealing with a language barrier with this customer so bear with me.
Now that I understand where these phones are actually going, I can refine my query.
The basic concept is to change a boarding house with 12 rooms on a single analog line to VOIP with individual extensions. 6 of the rooms are wired or will be added easily. The other 6 rooms cannot be wire but will have WiFi access. It sounds like WiFi desk phones would be fine. Single Line/Extension is good.
So, can 6 WiFi/DECT phones on distinct bases coexist in the same radio range? Now I see Blake has already replied and the SNOM can have a single base with up to 10 non-shared extensions! I guess that would be a strategically placed base and 6 charger/handsets. I shall ready up on SNOM.
Would WiFi dongles on Desk phones work better for this venue?
Sean
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence Conroy Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 9:05 AM To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] WiFi IP VOIP SIP phones
Hi Folks, +1 -- I use multiple Siemens S675IP DECT 'phones. Voice quality good (supports G722 and speakerphone is OK, unlike some), range is excellent, Battery life good, and they just work (assuming you don't drop them out of a pocket into the loo, which is how most of my company's DECT 'phones die).
BTW, note that, for large campus sites, there's always something like <http://gigaset.com/pro/uk/en/pages/index.html> Their CAL pricing for what is a basic SIP server is laughable, but the DECT base stations and cellular controller are not too painful (i.e. it's a good fit with fS ;).
I have to add; SNOM DECT 'phones are OK-good, Panys you either like or don't, but Polycom DECT phones are too toxic for landfill, IMHO.
Problem I've seen with WIFi phones is battery life is not good, range is less than DECT, and I haven't seen a *really* new design for quite a while. Power is always going to be a problem, as WiFi Tx power is higher than DECT, and the link layer's more "chatty" on standby.
all the best, Lawrence
On 5 May 2013, at 04:16, Mr Nathan Downes wrote:
I’ve used the Snom m3 and m9.. the Siemens c610ip and a510 are way better in feel/call quality and cheaper, not tried any others yet
From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2013 12:44 PM To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] WiFi IP VOIP SIP phones
I use at home snom m9 without problems
El may 4, 2013 4:28 p.m., "Blake Priddy" <bpriddy@bryantschools.org> escribió:
The SNOM DECT model is inexpensive and really good as well
On May 4, 2013 3:23 PM, "Spencer Thomason" <spencer@5ninesolutions.com> wrote:
Not strictly WiFi but if a DECT SIP phone will suffice, the Panasonic KX-TGP500s are great.
-----Original message-----
From: Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> To: FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org Sent: Sat, May 4, 2013 19:56:55 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Freeswitch-users] WiFi IP VOIP SIP phones
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Hi Sean, I also did some tests with wireless phones. In my opinion you should really forget about the WiFi stuff and go for DECT. I never got a good voice quality and roaming between several (managed) access points was basically impossible when talking. My tests were based on Linksys and Gigaset WiFi phones. Not sure, but I think almost all WiFi SIP phones disappeared from the market (except some Android based smartphones which have a SIP client). About the DECT phones I found out that the Gigaset Pro series was performing better than the Snom DECT phones. I really love Snom phones, but their DECT products could never convince me. One of my customers use now a N510 IP PRO base and some SL610H PRO handsets. The spec says 6 phones and 4 lines. If you need more you should have a look at the N720 which should be a multi cell DECT system (I've never used it). But the website says 100 handsets, 20 base stations, overall 30 calls and 8 calls per base... Hope that helps... Klaus Von: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] Im Auftrag von Brian Foster Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Mai 2013 19:10 An: FreeSWITCH Users Help Betreff: Re: [Freeswitch-users] WiFi IP VOIP SIP phones I've dealt with a similar situation. I work for a property management company, and at one stage we were developing a strategy to basically resell voip service to tenants. Each would have a phone and prepay for minutes. We even tbought about having a kiosk to top up their account when needed by credit card. They could also top up by paying a little extra on top of their rent which would then be applied to their voip account. We ended up not doing it. And here's why: 1. WiFi/DECT phones are too expensive to replace. They would get beat up or lost. It's just too risky. On top of that, WiFi just isn't great at all for real-time media such as voip. You could do some tweaking to mitigate some of the issues, but it's still not worth it. Use DECT if you really want to go down this route. You could rent the phones, but due to our clientele at this property, it wasn't feasible. 2. We thought about using an FXS channel bank and running copper to every room. It takes care of the lost phone issue, and the tenant would be responsible for their phone because, well, they bought it. If the tenant wouldn't have been able to afford it, we could have set them up on a payment plan for a cordless phone. In total, we would have needed 16 channels, plus one for the office. Basically, a 24 port channel bank. They are relatively inexpensive, especially considering the use of wifi/dect phones. Unfortunately, there is not much in it if you want any sort of ROI. It would take a few years to get it, and by that time you wouldn't be far from replacing the equipment you originally installed. That's also being optimistic, as that estimate would assume 70% occupancy. Now there are several ways we could have pursued this further, but then the Obamaphone came out and by then, there was no demand. So, I'm not saying it will never work. It's just difficult and requires some major number crunching to make sure you stay above water. If there were 50 units, that would be a major help. But this property only has 16. If you need some help, I'd be happy to, ping me off list. I spent six months off and on studying the feasibility of such a venture. There's a lot of things you need to be aware of, and you need to know your client's habits. -BDF Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S4 On May 5, 2013 12:36 PM, "Sean Devoy" <sdevoy@bizfocused.com<mailto:sdevoy@bizfocused.com>> wrote: Thanks to everyone who answered. I am dealing with a language barrier with this customer so bear with me. Now that I understand where these phones are actually going, I can refine my query. The basic concept is to change a boarding house with 12 rooms on a single analog line to VOIP with individual extensions. 6 of the rooms are wired or will be added easily. The other 6 rooms cannot be wire but will have WiFi access. It sounds like WiFi desk phones would be fine. Single Line/Extension is good. So, can 6 WiFi/DECT phones on distinct bases coexist in the same radio range? Now I see Blake has already replied and the SNOM can have a single base with up to 10 non-shared extensions! I guess that would be a strategically placed base and 6 charger/handsets. I shall ready up on SNOM. Would WiFi dongles on Desk phones work better for this venue? Sean -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org<mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org> [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org<mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org>] On Behalf Of Lawrence Conroy Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 9:05 AM To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] WiFi IP VOIP SIP phones Hi Folks, +1 -- I use multiple Siemens S675IP DECT 'phones. Voice quality good (supports G722 and speakerphone is OK, unlike some), range is excellent, Battery life good, and they just work (assuming you don't drop them out of a pocket into the loo, which is how most of my company's DECT 'phones die). BTW, note that, for large campus sites, there's always something like <http://gigaset.com/pro/uk/en/pages/index.html> Their CAL pricing for what is a basic SIP server is laughable, but the DECT base stations and cellular controller are not too painful (i.e. it's a good fit with fS ;). I have to add; SNOM DECT 'phones are OK-good, Panys you either like or don't, but Polycom DECT phones are too toxic for landfill, IMHO. Problem I've seen with WIFi phones is battery life is not good, range is less than DECT, and I haven't seen a *really* new design for quite a while. Power is always going to be a problem, as WiFi Tx power is higher than DECT, and the link layer's more "chatty" on standby. all the best, Lawrence On 5 May 2013, at 04:16, Mr Nathan Downes wrote:
I've used the Snom m3 and m9.. the Siemens c610ip and a510 are way better in feel/call quality and cheaper, not tried any others yet
From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org<mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org> [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org<mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org>] On Behalf Of Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2013 12:44 PM To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] WiFi IP VOIP SIP phones
I use at home snom m9 without problems
El may 4, 2013 4:28 p.m., "Blake Priddy" <bpriddy@bryantschools.org<mailto:bpriddy@bryantschools.org>> escribió:
The SNOM DECT model is inexpensive and really good as well
On May 4, 2013 3:23 PM, "Spencer Thomason" <spencer@5ninesolutions.com<mailto:spencer@5ninesolutions.com>> wrote:
Not strictly WiFi but if a DECT SIP phone will suffice, the Panasonic KX-TGP500s are great.
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Spencer and Blake, I have seen DECT SIP phones and been fairly confused. Is that wired Ethernet to the base and then a standard wireless home phone? My customer wants these for rooms that have no wired Ethernet and need 6 distinct (not shared) extensions. I don't think you can have 6 DECT phones (to unique bases) in one house can you? Thanks, Sean From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Blake Priddy Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 4:25 PM To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] WiFi IP VOIP SIP phones The SNOM DECT model is inexpensive and really good as well On May 4, 2013 3:23 PM, "Spencer Thomason" <spencer@5ninesolutions.com> wrote: Not strictly WiFi but if a DECT SIP phone will suffice, the Panasonic KX-TGP500s are great. -----Original message----- From: Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> To: FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org Sent: Sat, May 4, 2013 19:56:55 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Freeswitch-users] WiFi IP VOIP SIP phones _________________________________________________________________________ Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: consulting@freeswitch.org http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com FreeSWITCH-powered IP PBX: The CudaTel Communication Server http://www.cudatel.com Official FreeSWITCH Sites http://www.freeswitch.org http://wiki.freeswitch.org http://www.cluecon.com FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
The Snom does have an Ethernet base. And you can have up to 10 to one station if I remember correctly. I will have to read on it again but tge operate on a 5ghz channel to the base station. They can all have different extensions. On May 5, 2013 11:14 AM, "Sean Devoy" <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> wrote:
Spencer and Blake,****
I have seen DECT SIP phones and been fairly confused. Is that wired Ethernet to the base and then a standard wireless home phone? My customer wants these for rooms that have no wired Ethernet and need 6 distinct (not shared) extensions. I don’t think you can have 6 DECT phones (to unique bases) in one house can you?****
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Thanks,****
Sean****
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The SNOM DECT model is inexpensive and really good as well ****
On May 4, 2013 3:23 PM, "Spencer Thomason" <spencer@5ninesolutions.com> wrote:****
Not strictly WiFi but if a DECT SIP phone will suffice, the Panasonic KX-TGP500s are great.****
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I believe the gigasetphones have their oen unique voipaccount Op 5 mei 2013 18:12 schreef "Sean Devoy" <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> het volgende:
Spencer and Blake,****
I have seen DECT SIP phones and been fairly confused. Is that wired Ethernet to the base and then a standard wireless home phone? My customer wants these for rooms that have no wired Ethernet and need 6 distinct (not shared) extensions. I don’t think you can have 6 DECT phones (to unique bases) in one house can you?****
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Thanks,****
Sean****
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*From:* freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] *On Behalf Of *Blake Priddy *Sent:* Saturday, May 04, 2013 4:25 PM *To:* FreeSWITCH Users Help *Subject:* Re: [Freeswitch-users] WiFi IP VOIP SIP phones****
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The SNOM DECT model is inexpensive and really good as well ****
On May 4, 2013 3:23 PM, "Spencer Thomason" <spencer@5ninesolutions.com> wrote:****
Not strictly WiFi but if a DECT SIP phone will suffice, the Panasonic KX-TGP500s are great.****
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Hi there, well, yes, there's gigaset.net, but it's not mandatory :). The 'phones/IP bases work fine with every sane SIP service I've thrown at them. (When you set the retail units up the first time, you can sign in to a dedicated gigaset.net account, but that's purely SIP-SIP only. Frankly, I've used gigaset.net account once, checked it worked, and disabled it again). 510 Pros support 4 concurrent calls; as mentioned, 720 pro/720 DM pro setups support LOTS of calls -- 4 is the minimum you get through a 720 base (if the phones are exchanging G722), but normal (G711/...) calls give you 8 per cell. The biggest problem I've had with a DECT setup is a couple of customers who needed (for security/legal reasons) to have a dead area with guaranteed *no* DECT coverage. It's amazing what range you get out of a DECT base when you don't want it. 25-50 metres indoors is normal, but it can easily be more :(. all the best, Lawrence On 5 May 2013, at 23:40, Michel Brabants wrote:
I believe the gigasetphones have their oen unique voipaccount Op 5 mei 2013 18:12 schreef "Sean Devoy" <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> het volgende:
Spencer and Blake,****
I have seen DECT SIP phones and been fairly confused. Is that wired Ethernet to the base and then a standard wireless home phone? My customer wants these for rooms that have no wired Ethernet and need 6 distinct (not shared) extensions. I don’t think you can have 6 DECT phones (to unique bases) in one house can you?****
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Thanks,****
Sean****
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The SNOM DECT model is inexpensive and really good as well ****
On May 4, 2013 3:23 PM, "Spencer Thomason" <spencer@5ninesolutions.com> wrote:****
Not strictly WiFi but if a DECT SIP phone will suffice, the Panasonic KX-TGP500s are great.****
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I personally have a Polycom KWS300 with 4 handsets. I love them. They feel kinda light but are well made, I use it in my home and office. They have repeaters for the kws300 too. I may look into getting a KWS6000 to play with. On May 5, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> wrote:
Spencer and Blake, I have seen DECT SIP phones and been fairly confused. Is that wired Ethernet to the base and then a standard wireless home phone? My customer wants these for rooms that have no wired Ethernet and need 6 distinct (not shared) extensions. I don’t think you can have 6 DECT phones (to unique bases) in one house can you?
Thanks, Sean
Hi Sean, I have only come across one wifi based phone which was called a Escene WS320, but I probably would recommend it, it seems to work fine on a local network but not when your SIP server is externally hosted and the phone is going via NAT. I typically use the following when someone wants wifi: If it's a desk phone they need: - Use a Netgear WNCE2001 bridge with any ethernet based phone, personally we use Yealink for the desk phone. In Australia the WNCE2001 costs around $50 - http://www.netgear.com.au/landing/wnce2001.aspx If it's a full cordless solution you need: - Siemens Gigaset is good, DECT back to the base - http://gigaset.com/au/en/cms/PageInternetVoIPNextGPhones.html - Yealink have also just release an alternative to the Siemens phone called the W52P, initial tests seem to be good but I have only played with this model for about 30 mins - http://www.yealink.com/product_info.aspx?ProductsCateID=308&CateId=307&BaseI... Cheers, Ash. On 05/05/2013, at 5:51 AM, Sean Devoy <sdevoy@bizfocused.com> wrote:
HI,
Can anyone recommend a good quality WiFi (wireless IP) VOIP Phone that works with FS?
Looking for < $200 and top quality functionality.
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The Unidata WPU_7800. Also have a look at the Spectralink though it is more expensive. You can also use an android device that has sip or an app. The many Snom and Grandstream desk phones can have Wi-Fi added with a Wi-Fi dongle. Thanks, Moishe Grunstein Tornado Computer Systems, Inc. 212.400.7650 888.IPPBX.US Service Request Email: support@nysolutions.com<mailto:support@nysolutions.com> Polycom Certified VAR Microsoft Small Business Specialist, Cisco SMB Select Certified [cid:image001.jpg@01C72F94.9EE45D60]<http://www.nysolutions.com/> Computer Networking * Managed Services * IP Video Surveillance * Network Assessments * Web Solutions * Voice over IP * Disaster Recovery * Network Security * Site Surveys * CMS From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Sean Devoy Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 3:52 PM To: FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: spam>spam>[Freeswitch-users] WiFi IP VOIP SIP phones HI, Can anyone recommend a good quality WiFi (wireless IP) VOIP Phone that works with FS? Looking for < $200 and top quality functionality. Thanks, Sean
participants (12)
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Ashley Breeden
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Blake Priddy
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Brian Foster
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Brian West
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Klaus Hochlehnert
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Lawrence Conroy
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Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
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Michel Brabants
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Moishe Grunstein
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Mr Nathan Downes
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Sean Devoy
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Spencer Thomason