Hi, I am getting the feeling that the majority of people on the list are using Debian over Ubuntu for their freeSWITCH boxen, and whilst I understand it to a certain extenent (speed), I was just wondering, if this was the case, why people would choose Debian over Ubuntu (LTS) as the life of the distro will be significantly longer with Ubuntu? (5 years) Regards Richard
For me, it's because I can actually find where the network interfaces are configured. On 23 July 2013 09:56, Richard Mace <richard.mace@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, I am getting the feeling that the majority of people on the list are using Debian over Ubuntu for their freeSWITCH boxen, and whilst I understand it to a certain extenent (speed), I was just wondering, if this was the case, why people would choose Debian over Ubuntu (LTS) as the life of the distro will be significantly longer with Ubuntu? (5 years)
Regards
Richard
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Both are quite similar to each other. And the two are great distros for running FreeSWITCH on too. From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Cassidy Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 4:56 AM To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Debian or Ubuntu For me, it's because I can actually find where the network interfaces are configured. On 23 July 2013 09:56, Richard Mace <richard.mace@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, I am getting the feeling that the majority of people on the list are using Debian over Ubuntu for their freeSWITCH boxen, and whilst I understand it to a certain extenent (speed), I was just wondering, if this was the case, why people would choose Debian over Ubuntu (LTS) as the life of the distro will be significantly longer with Ubuntu? (5 years) Regards Richard _________________________________________________________________________ Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: consulting@freeswitch.org http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com FreeSWITCH-powered IP PBX: The CudaTel Communication Server http://www.cudatel.com Official FreeSWITCH Sites http://www.freeswitch.org http://wiki.freeswitch.org http://www.cluecon.com FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org -- Andrew Cassidy BSc (Hons) MBCS SSCA Managing Director <mailto:info@cassidywebservices.co.uk> T 03300 100 960 <mailto:info@cassidywebservices.co.uk> F 03300 100 961 <mailto:info@cassidywebservices.co.uk> E andrew@cassidywebservices.co.uk <mailto:info@cassidywebservices.co.uk> W www.cassidywebservices.co.uk
Hi Richard, Although Ubuntu has a lot of 'cool' features, I personally dislike using it for server deployments. For example, their init.d services replacement is not very friendly and often causes problems, and it often wants to force you into doing things the "ubuntu way". The PPAs are quite nice but running your own private PPA deployment is a PITA. Ubuntu has more up to date packages, but this is of little benefit. I use Ubuntu for a development workstation (along with i3wm), but I would prefer using Debian stable over Ubuntu. Others may disagree entirely with me. It really comes down to personal preference, and which one you get along with the most. My background: 8 years Debian user.. spent the last 2 months trialing Ubuntu server for prod deployments. Hope this helps Cal On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Richard Mace <richard.mace@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi, I am getting the feeling that the majority of people on the list are using Debian over Ubuntu for their freeSWITCH boxen, and whilst I understand it to a certain extenent (speed), I was just wondering, if this was the case, why people would choose Debian over Ubuntu (LTS) as the life of the distro will be significantly longer with Ubuntu? (5 years)
Regards
Richard
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On 24 July 2013 01:25, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] < cal.leeming@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Richard,
Although Ubuntu has a lot of 'cool' features, I personally dislike using it for server deployments. For example, their init.d services replacement is not very friendly and often causes problems, and it often wants to force you into doing things the "ubuntu way". The PPAs are quite nice but running your own private PPA deployment is a PITA. Ubuntu has more up to date packages, but this is of little benefit. I use Ubuntu for a development workstation (along with i3wm), but I would prefer using Debian stable over Ubuntu. Others may disagree entirely with me.
It really comes down to personal preference, and which one you get along with the most.
My background: 8 years Debian user.. spent the last 2 months trialing Ubuntu server for prod deployments.
Hope this helps
Yes, it does help. Thanks for your input. RIchard
Equally, I just prefer Debian. I don't like the Ubuntu way, I like having a system which I can easily understand the inner workings. To that extent I've probably just used Debian more than Ubuntu. Servers I use Debian Stable Desktops I use Linux Mint Debian Edition Before I used Debian I used Gentoo for many years. But once I entered the real world I no longer had the time to keep a system updated and moved to Debian which was the most used distro among my friends. The rule of thumb is: Use what you're comfortable with. Failing that, use what your friends/peers are comfortable with. At least then you can get support easily. On 24 July 2013 05:58, Richard Mace <richard.mace@gmail.com> wrote:
On 24 July 2013 01:25, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] < cal.leeming@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Richard,
Although Ubuntu has a lot of 'cool' features, I personally dislike using it for server deployments. For example, their init.d services replacement is not very friendly and often causes problems, and it often wants to force you into doing things the "ubuntu way". The PPAs are quite nice but running your own private PPA deployment is a PITA. Ubuntu has more up to date packages, but this is of little benefit. I use Ubuntu for a development workstation (along with i3wm), but I would prefer using Debian stable over Ubuntu. Others may disagree entirely with me.
It really comes down to personal preference, and which one you get along with the most.
My background: 8 years Debian user.. spent the last 2 months trialing Ubuntu server for prod deployments.
Hope this helps
Yes, it does help. Thanks for your input.
RIchard
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On 24 July 2013 08:55, Andrew Cassidy <andrew@cassidywebservices.co.uk>wrote:
Equally, I just prefer Debian. I don't like the Ubuntu way, I like having a system which I can easily understand the inner workings. To that extent I've probably just used Debian more than Ubuntu.
Servers I use Debian Stable Desktops I use Linux Mint Debian Edition
Before I used Debian I used Gentoo for many years. But once I entered the real world I no longer had the time to keep a system updated and moved to Debian which was the most used distro among my friends.
The rule of thumb is:
Use what you're comfortable with. Failing that, use what your friends/peers are comfortable with. At least then you can get support easily.
Makes sense Andrew. I've decided to focus on debian, hoping that when the next stable version comes out, I will just be able to apt-get dist-upgrade all my boxes. I'm struggling to find a script that works on Debian 7, but will keep searching. Richard
Debian is more logical if you are talking about building a platform because you already have to deal with very fluid FS code. If you also have a bleeding OS you will further complicate your world. I think ubuntu serves a good purpose to allow pre testing of what's coming down the pipe in a similar way to running the master branch of any one software. Just with ubuntu in many cases you are running the master branch of everything including the compiler and the libc and all the libs. I know there is a more hardened version of ubuntu that is more suitable for production but it really seems like its a more logical choice for a desktop OS. Debian seems to do a good job of saying current. I personally use one of everything since I have to make sure it works everywhere =D On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:15 AM, Richard Mace <richard.mace@gmail.com>wrote:
On 24 July 2013 08:55, Andrew Cassidy <andrew@cassidywebservices.co.uk>wrote:
Equally, I just prefer Debian. I don't like the Ubuntu way, I like having a system which I can easily understand the inner workings. To that extent I've probably just used Debian more than Ubuntu.
Servers I use Debian Stable Desktops I use Linux Mint Debian Edition
Before I used Debian I used Gentoo for many years. But once I entered the real world I no longer had the time to keep a system updated and moved to Debian which was the most used distro among my friends.
The rule of thumb is:
Use what you're comfortable with. Failing that, use what your friends/peers are comfortable with. At least then you can get support easily.
Makes sense Andrew. I've decided to focus on debian, hoping that when the next stable version comes out, I will just be able to apt-get dist-upgrade all my boxes. I'm struggling to find a script that works on Debian 7, but will keep searching.
Richard
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I run Ubuntu on all my laptop and desktops but debian (and sometimes centos when the application I need requires it) on my servers. I have really fallen in love with debian in the last year or so... my introduction to linux was back in the red hat 4 days, so I naturally stuck with the red hat / fedora / centos distros, but after ubuntu on my laptops and desktops that helped in forcing me to learn the debian style operations. So in this last year I been running all my servers on debian and absolutely love how clean and fast they are in comparrison. It feels very lean and fast, so I think I became a fan :) Paul On Wed, 24 Jul, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Anthony Minessale <anthony.minessale@gmail.com> wrote:
Debian is more logical if you are talking about building a platform because you already have to deal with very fluid FS code. If you also have a bleeding OS you will further complicate your world. I think ubuntu serves a good purpose to allow pre testing of what's coming down the pipe in a similar way to running the master branch of any one software. Just with ubuntu in many cases you are running the master branch of everything including the compiler and the libc and all the libs. I know there is a more hardened version of ubuntu that is more suitable for production but it really seems like its a more logical choice for a desktop OS.
Debian seems to do a good job of saying current. I personally use one of everything since I have to make sure it works everywhere =D
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:15 AM, Richard Mace <richard.mace@gmail.com> wrote:
On 24 July 2013 08:55, Andrew Cassidy <andrew@cassidywebservices.co.uk> wrote:
Equally, I just prefer Debian. I don't like the Ubuntu way, I like having a system which I can easily understand the inner workings. To that extent I've probably just used Debian more than Ubuntu.
Servers I use Debian Stable Desktops I use Linux Mint Debian Edition
Before I used Debian I used Gentoo for many years. But once I entered the real world I no longer had the time to keep a system updated and moved to Debian which was the most used distro among my friends.
The rule of thumb is:
Use what you're comfortable with. Failing that, use what your friends/peers are comfortable with. At least then you can get support easily.
Makes sense Andrew. I've decided to focus on debian, hoping that when the next stable version comes out, I will just be able to apt-get dist-upgrade all my boxes. I'm struggling to find a script that works on Debian 7, but will keep searching.
Richard
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On 24 July 2013 18:25, Anthony Minessale <anthony.minessale@gmail.com>wrote:
Debian is more logical if you are talking about building a platform because you already have to deal with very fluid FS code. If you also have a bleeding OS you will further complicate your world. I think ubuntu serves a good purpose to allow pre testing of what's coming down the pipe in a similar way to running the master branch of any one software. Just with ubuntu in many cases you are running the master branch of everything including the compiler and the libc and all the libs. I know there is a more hardened version of ubuntu that is more suitable for production but it really seems like its a more logical choice for a desktop OS.
Debian seems to do a good job of saying current. I personally use one of everything since I have to make sure it works everywhere =D
:) Thanks Anthony. Yes, I've decided to focus on Debian for my servers now. I started off with Debian years ago, but switched to Ubuntu for my laptop. I'll work with Karl to see if I can get the build script working on Debian 7. Thanks for everyone's input. Richard
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Richard Mace <richard.mace@gmail.com> wrote:
I am getting the feeling that the majority of people on the list are using Debian over Ubuntu for their freeSWITCH boxen, and whilst I understand it to a certain extenent (speed)
I doubt one is much faster than the other (assuming you pick the same kernel timer and file systems from equally modern versions).
I was just wondering, if this was the case, why people would choose Debian over Ubuntu (LTS) as the life of the distro will be significantly longer with Ubuntu? (5 years)
The debian people might hate me for this, but I'd say they're pretty close cousins. I don't think it matters much, one way or the other. I happen to use Ubuntu LTS for all of my server stuff. Even if we can update it for a full 5 years, we always update our stack to pull in the latest LTS when it's available. Also, we all run Ubuntu on the desktop, so we like that we have the same env on the server. So, I didn't answer your question, but there is just one more opinion. Best, Gabe
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Andrew Cassidy
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Gabriel Gunderson
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Paul
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Richard Mace