Hi all, I have tried many IP phones and nothing comes close to the audio quality of a Polycom. I use a VVX1500 and everything is top notch, but it doesn't suit me entirely. 1. It's touch screen and I'm blind. 2. It's always a pain to restart the phone anytime you make a change in the provisioning configs. It's great in a corporate environment, but not so much for experimenting. 3. There isn't many ways to interface with the phone… E.g.: trigger a dial out from your computer's address book. I tried Snom a couple years ago and the audio quality was not good, with plenty of echo on speakerphone and buggy firmwares. Cisco is pretty much out of the question because of their closed configs and Linksys is pretty low end if my recollection is correct. What can you recommend that is stable, versatile, open and good quality? Cheers, Emrah
Why won't you use the other models of Polycom which are not touch screen? Like 450, 550, 650. __yehavi: 2012/9/6 Emrah <lists@kavun.ch>
Hi all,
I have tried many IP phones and nothing comes close to the audio quality of a Polycom. I use a VVX1500 and everything is top notch, but it doesn't suit me entirely.
1. It's touch screen and I'm blind. 2. It's always a pain to restart the phone anytime you make a change in the provisioning configs. It's great in a corporate environment, but not so much for experimenting. 3. There isn't many ways to interface with the phone… E.g.: trigger a dial out from your computer's address book.
I tried Snom a couple years ago and the audio quality was not good, with plenty of echo on speakerphone and buggy firmwares. Cisco is pretty much out of the question because of their closed configs and Linksys is pretty low end if my recollection is correct.
What can you recommend that is stable, versatile, open and good quality?
Cheers, Emrah _________________________________________________________________________ Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: consulting@freeswitch.org http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com
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Thanks for your suggestion. I've used all three of them in the past and even so, they are not as practical as other phones I've owned. Plus, the VVX 1500 supports Siren14 which we use across the company on a daily basis. Finally, video isn't a real requirement, but we tend to use it when it's available. Cheers, E On Sep 6, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Yehavi Bourvine <yehavi.bourvine@gmail.com> wrote:
Why won't you use the other models of Polycom which are not touch screen? Like 450, 550, 650.
__yehavi:
2012/9/6 Emrah <lists@kavun.ch> Hi all,
I have tried many IP phones and nothing comes close to the audio quality of a Polycom. I use a VVX1500 and everything is top notch, but it doesn't suit me entirely.
1. It's touch screen and I'm blind. 2. It's always a pain to restart the phone anytime you make a change in the provisioning configs. It's great in a corporate environment, but not so much for experimenting. 3. There isn't many ways to interface with the phone… E.g.: trigger a dial out from your computer's address book.
I tried Snom a couple years ago and the audio quality was not good, with plenty of echo on speakerphone and buggy firmwares. Cisco is pretty much out of the question because of their closed configs and Linksys is pretty low end if my recollection is correct.
What can you recommend that is stable, versatile, open and good quality?
Cheers, Emrah _________________________________________________________________________ Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: consulting@freeswitch.org http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com
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Hi Emrah, I have been using Aastra phones extensively. If you stay with the 5xi series, you should get good sound quality. The 6739i is really nice, but touch screen, so that's out. There are a few different ways to provision them - the simplest way is for them to download a config file (ours are rendered on the fly with PHP). You can also use the Web UI, or send the phone XML commands. If you make changes in the web UI or push config via XML, the changes take place right away on the newer firmwares. This is great for experimenting, as you can change SIP settings around without having to reboot every time. You can also interface the phones to other systems using the XML interface, or via some proprietary software. There is a third party app that lets you click to dial from your computer, and you get on-screen notifications of incoming calls. Some versions of firmware are buggy, but they are getting better. I'm waiting for IPv6 compatible firmware, but I'm told that it's in the works and they put me on the beta test list. Hope that's helpful. -Tim Emrah wrote:
Hi all,
I have tried many IP phones and nothing comes close to the audio quality of a Polycom. I use a VVX1500 and everything is top notch, but it doesn't suit me entirely.
1. It's touch screen and I'm blind. 2. It's always a pain to restart the phone anytime you make a change in the provisioning configs. It's great in a corporate environment, but not so much for experimenting. 3. There isn't many ways to interface with the phone… E.g.: trigger a dial out from your computer's address book.
I tried Snom a couple years ago and the audio quality was not good, with plenty of echo on speakerphone and buggy firmwares. Cisco is pretty much out of the question because of their closed configs and Linksys is pretty low end if my recollection is correct.
What can you recommend that is stable, versatile, open and good quality?
Cheers, Emrah _________________________________________________________________________ Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: consulting@freeswitch.org http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com
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That's great Tim, thanks! I'll check them out. I purchased 3 Aastra dect phones for my apt (some clone of Snom M3) and was super disappointed by the quality… The speakerphone is simply unusable. Regards, Emrah On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:45 PM, "Tim St. Pierre" <fs-list@communicatefreely.net> wrote:
Hi Emrah,
I have been using Aastra phones extensively. If you stay with the 5xi series, you should get good sound quality. The 6739i is really nice, but touch screen, so that's out.
There are a few different ways to provision them - the simplest way is for them to download a config file (ours are rendered on the fly with PHP). You can also use the Web UI, or send the phone XML commands. If you make changes in the web UI or push config via XML, the changes take place right away on the newer firmwares. This is great for experimenting, as you can change SIP settings around without having to reboot every time. You can also interface the phones to other systems using the XML interface, or via some proprietary software. There is a third party app that lets you click to dial from your computer, and you get on-screen notifications of incoming calls.
Some versions of firmware are buggy, but they are getting better. I'm waiting for IPv6 compatible firmware, but I'm told that it's in the works and they put me on the beta test list.
Hope that's helpful.
-Tim
Emrah wrote:
Hi all,
I have tried many IP phones and nothing comes close to the audio quality of a Polycom. I use a VVX1500 and everything is top notch, but it doesn't suit me entirely.
1. It's touch screen and I'm blind. 2. It's always a pain to restart the phone anytime you make a change in the provisioning configs. It's great in a corporate environment, but not so much for experimenting. 3. There isn't many ways to interface with the phone… E.g.: trigger a dial out from your computer's address book.
I tried Snom a couple years ago and the audio quality was not good, with plenty of echo on speakerphone and buggy firmwares. Cisco is pretty much out of the question because of their closed configs and Linksys is pretty low end if my recollection is correct.
What can you recommend that is stable, versatile, open and good quality?
Cheers, Emrah _________________________________________________________________________ Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: consulting@freeswitch.org http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com
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Yes, those were terrible. We sold four of them, and have since replaced them all. I think they were part of some acquisition that Aastra made, and they never really matured. I wouldn't judge Aastra by that phone. -Tim Emrah wrote:
That's great Tim, thanks! I'll check them out. I purchased 3 Aastra dect phones for my apt (some clone of Snom M3) and was super disappointed by the quality… The speakerphone is simply unusable.
Regards, Emrah On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:45 PM, "Tim St. Pierre" <fs-list@communicatefreely.net> wrote:
Hi Emrah,
I have been using Aastra phones extensively. If you stay with the 5xi series, you should get good sound quality. The 6739i is really nice, but touch screen, so that's out.
There are a few different ways to provision them - the simplest way is for them to download a config file (ours are rendered on the fly with PHP). You can also use the Web UI, or send the phone XML commands. If you make changes in the web UI or push config via XML, the changes take place right away on the newer firmwares. This is great for experimenting, as you can change SIP settings around without having to reboot every time. You can also interface the phones to other systems using the XML interface, or via some proprietary software. There is a third party app that lets you click to dial from your computer, and you get on-screen notifications of incoming calls.
Some versions of firmware are buggy, but they are getting better. I'm waiting for IPv6 compatible firmware, but I'm told that it's in the works and they put me on the beta test list.
Hope that's helpful.
-Tim
Emrah wrote:
Hi all,
I have tried many IP phones and nothing comes close to the audio quality of a Polycom. I use a VVX1500 and everything is top notch, but it doesn't suit me entirely.
1. It's touch screen and I'm blind. 2. It's always a pain to restart the phone anytime you make a change in the provisioning configs. It's great in a corporate environment, but not so much for experimenting. 3. There isn't many ways to interface with the phone… E.g.: trigger a dial out from your computer's address book.
I tried Snom a couple years ago and the audio quality was not good, with plenty of echo on speakerphone and buggy firmwares. Cisco is pretty much out of the question because of their closed configs and Linksys is pretty low end if my recollection is correct.
What can you recommend that is stable, versatile, open and good quality?
Cheers, Emrah _________________________________________________________________________ Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: consulting@freeswitch.org http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com
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From my experience with a some Aastra models (mainly 6751i, 6755i and 6757i), users complain about usability issues, even for simple tasks like call transfer, and admins complain for too many bugs. Overall sound quality is good, bugs are little annoying things, for example you can't change the time-zone from the Web-UI and you need to physically go to the phone menu; or configs that get screwed after any firmware update (need to reset to factory and re-provision). We also had bad luck with the 51i, which became EOL before many bad bugs got the chance to be corrected. I had to change 5 out of 20 so far, as they slowly started dying after a couple of years (blank screen, or unable to provision at some point). The 55i and 57i still have firmware updates and are getting a bit better each time. I find Yealink phones have a better overall quality (robustness, interop, sound, and USABILITY) for almost half the price, heck I even find latest Grandstream firmwares to be better than Aastra's. François. On Thu, 2012-09-06 at 20:39 -0400, Tim St. Pierre wrote:
Yes, those were terrible. We sold four of them, and have since replaced them all.
I think they were part of some acquisition that Aastra made, and they never really matured. I wouldn't judge Aastra by that phone.
-Tim
Emrah wrote:
That's great Tim, thanks! I'll check them out. I purchased 3 Aastra dect phones for my apt (some clone of Snom M3) and was super disappointed by the quality… The speakerphone is simply unusable.
Regards, Emrah On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:45 PM, "Tim St. Pierre" <fs-list@communicatefreely.net> wrote:
Hi Emrah,
I have been using Aastra phones extensively. If you stay with the 5xi series, you should get good sound quality. The 6739i is really nice, but touch screen, so that's out.
There are a few different ways to provision them - the simplest way is for them to download a config file (ours are rendered on the fly with PHP). You can also use the Web UI, or send the phone XML commands. If you make changes in the web UI or push config via XML, the changes take place right away on the newer firmwares. This is great for experimenting, as you can change SIP settings around without having to reboot every time. You can also interface the phones to other systems using the XML interface, or via some proprietary software. There is a third party app that lets you click to dial from your computer, and you get on-screen notifications of incoming calls.
Some versions of firmware are buggy, but they are getting better. I'm waiting for IPv6 compatible firmware, but I'm told that it's in the works and they put me on the beta test list.
Hope that's helpful.
-Tim
Emrah wrote:
Hi all,
I have tried many IP phones and nothing comes close to the audio quality of a Polycom. I use a VVX1500 and everything is top notch, but it doesn't suit me entirely.
1. It's touch screen and I'm blind. 2. It's always a pain to restart the phone anytime you make a change in the provisioning configs. It's great in a corporate environment, but not so much for experimenting. 3. There isn't many ways to interface with the phone… E.g.: trigger a dial out from your computer's address book.
I tried Snom a couple years ago and the audio quality was not good, with plenty of echo on speakerphone and buggy firmwares. Cisco is pretty much out of the question because of their closed configs and Linksys is pretty low end if my recollection is correct.
What can you recommend that is stable, versatile, open and good quality?
Cheers, Emrah _________________________________________________________________________ Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: consulting@freeswitch.org http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com
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Thanks for that! You are giving me the impression that Polycom is years ahead. :) Best, Emrah On Sep 7, 2012, at 4:42 AM, François Delawarde <fdelawarde@wirelessmundi.com> wrote:
From my experience with a some Aastra models (mainly 6751i, 6755i and 6757i), users complain about usability issues, even for simple tasks like call transfer, and admins complain for too many bugs.
Overall sound quality is good, bugs are little annoying things, for example you can't change the time-zone from the Web-UI and you need to physically go to the phone menu; or configs that get screwed after any firmware update (need to reset to factory and re-provision).
We also had bad luck with the 51i, which became EOL before many bad bugs got the chance to be corrected. I had to change 5 out of 20 so far, as they slowly started dying after a couple of years (blank screen, or unable to provision at some point). The 55i and 57i still have firmware updates and are getting a bit better each time.
I find Yealink phones have a better overall quality (robustness, interop, sound, and USABILITY) for almost half the price, heck I even find latest Grandstream firmwares to be better than Aastra's.
François.
On Thu, 2012-09-06 at 20:39 -0400, Tim St. Pierre wrote:
Yes, those were terrible. We sold four of them, and have since replaced them all.
I think they were part of some acquisition that Aastra made, and they never really matured. I wouldn't judge Aastra by that phone.
-Tim
Emrah wrote:
That's great Tim, thanks! I'll check them out. I purchased 3 Aastra dect phones for my apt (some clone of Snom M3) and was super disappointed by the quality… The speakerphone is simply unusable.
Regards, Emrah On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:45 PM, "Tim St. Pierre" <fs-list@communicatefreely.net> wrote:
Hi Emrah,
I have been using Aastra phones extensively. If you stay with the 5xi series, you should get good sound quality. The 6739i is really nice, but touch screen, so that's out.
There are a few different ways to provision them - the simplest way is for them to download a config file (ours are rendered on the fly with PHP). You can also use the Web UI, or send the phone XML commands. If you make changes in the web UI or push config via XML, the changes take place right away on the newer firmwares. This is great for experimenting, as you can change SIP settings around without having to reboot every time. You can also interface the phones to other systems using the XML interface, or via some proprietary software. There is a third party app that lets you click to dial from your computer, and you get on-screen notifications of incoming calls.
Some versions of firmware are buggy, but they are getting better. I'm waiting for IPv6 compatible firmware, but I'm told that it's in the works and they put me on the beta test list.
Hope that's helpful.
-Tim
Emrah wrote:
Hi all,
I have tried many IP phones and nothing comes close to the audio quality of a Polycom. I use a VVX1500 and everything is top notch, but it doesn't suit me entirely.
1. It's touch screen and I'm blind. 2. It's always a pain to restart the phone anytime you make a change in the provisioning configs. It's great in a corporate environment, but not so much for experimenting. 3. There isn't many ways to interface with the phone… E.g.: trigger a dial out from your computer's address book.
I tried Snom a couple years ago and the audio quality was not good, with plenty of echo on speakerphone and buggy firmwares. Cisco is pretty much out of the question because of their closed configs and Linksys is pretty low end if my recollection is correct.
What can you recommend that is stable, versatile, open and good quality?
Cheers, Emrah _________________________________________________________________________ Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: consulting@freeswitch.org http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com
FreeSWITCH-powered IP PBX: The CudaTel Communication Server http://www.cudatel.com
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I have been using Both Polycom and Cisco at my work. Both are good, There are firmwares available on some cisco models on which you can configure your phone from firmware as well as auto provisioning. There were however a few bugs in polycom here and there, Not that much annoying though. Over all considering quality and usability i would recommend cisco. Regards, Qasim On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Emrah <lists@kavun.ch> wrote:
Thanks for that! You are giving me the impression that Polycom is years ahead. :)
Best, Emrah On Sep 7, 2012, at 4:42 AM, François Delawarde < fdelawarde@wirelessmundi.com> wrote:
From my experience with a some Aastra models (mainly 6751i, 6755i and 6757i), users complain about usability issues, even for simple tasks like call transfer, and admins complain for too many bugs.
Overall sound quality is good, bugs are little annoying things, for example you can't change the time-zone from the Web-UI and you need to physically go to the phone menu; or configs that get screwed after any firmware update (need to reset to factory and re-provision).
We also had bad luck with the 51i, which became EOL before many bad bugs got the chance to be corrected. I had to change 5 out of 20 so far, as they slowly started dying after a couple of years (blank screen, or unable to provision at some point). The 55i and 57i still have firmware updates and are getting a bit better each time.
I find Yealink phones have a better overall quality (robustness, interop, sound, and USABILITY) for almost half the price, heck I even find latest Grandstream firmwares to be better than Aastra's.
François.
On Thu, 2012-09-06 at 20:39 -0400, Tim St. Pierre wrote:
Yes, those were terrible. We sold four of them, and have since replaced them all.
I think they were part of some acquisition that Aastra made, and they never really matured. I wouldn't judge Aastra by that phone.
-Tim
Emrah wrote:
That's great Tim, thanks! I'll check them out. I purchased 3 Aastra dect phones for my apt (some clone of Snom M3) and was super disappointed by the quality… The speakerphone is simply unusable.
Regards, Emrah On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:45 PM, "Tim St. Pierre" < fs-list@communicatefreely.net> wrote:
Hi Emrah,
I have been using Aastra phones extensively. If you stay with the 5xi series, you should get good sound quality. The 6739i is really nice, but touch screen, so that's out.
There are a few different ways to provision them - the simplest way is for them to download a config file (ours are rendered on the fly with PHP). You can also use the Web UI, or send the phone XML commands. If you make changes in the web UI or push config via XML, the changes take place right away on the newer firmwares. This is great for experimenting, as you can change SIP settings around without having to reboot every time. You can also interface the phones to other systems using the XML interface, or via some proprietary software. There is a third party app that lets you click to dial from your computer, and you get on-screen notifications of incoming calls.
Some versions of firmware are buggy, but they are getting better. I'm waiting for IPv6 compatible firmware, but I'm told that it's in the works and they put me on the beta test list.
Hope that's helpful.
-Tim
Emrah wrote:
Hi all,
I have tried many IP phones and nothing comes close to the audio quality of a Polycom. I use a VVX1500 and everything is top notch, but it doesn't suit me entirely.
1. It's touch screen and I'm blind. 2. It's always a pain to restart the phone anytime you make a change in the provisioning configs. It's great in a corporate environment, but not so much for experimenting. 3. There isn't many ways to interface with the phone… E.g.: trigger a dial out from your computer's address book.
I tried Snom a couple years ago and the audio quality was not good, with plenty of echo on speakerphone and buggy firmwares. Cisco is pretty much out of the question because of their closed configs and Linksys is pretty low end if my recollection is correct.
What can you recommend that is stable, versatile, open and good quality?
Cheers, Emrah
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On 09/07/2012 12:52 PM, qasimakhan@gmail.com wrote: [snip]
Over all considering quality and usability i would recommend cisco.
SIP seems to be a second rate citizen at Cisco where SCCP is king. If you deploy Cisco's own switch (CallManager/CUCM or whatever it's called these days) with their phones with SCCP firmware you should be good to go. However, I would not use Cisco IP phones with a non-Cisco SIP switch when there are alternatives available like Polycom, Yealink, Aastra, Snom, Grandstream (in order of preference). Regards, Patrick
I agree with regard to the Cisco 7000 series, but the 300/500 series phones are totally SIP friendly. Regards, Sean -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Lists Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 7:55 AM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Best SIP phone? On 09/07/2012 12:52 PM, qasimakhan@gmail.com wrote: [snip]
Over all considering quality and usability i would recommend cisco.
SIP seems to be a second rate citizen at Cisco where SCCP is king. If you deploy Cisco's own switch (CallManager/CUCM or whatever it's called these days) with their phones with SCCP firmware you should be good to go. However, I would not use Cisco IP phones with a non-Cisco SIP switch when there are alternatives available like Polycom, Yealink, Aastra, Snom, Grandstream (in order of preference). Regards, Patrick _________________________________________________________________________ Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: consulting@freeswitch.org http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com FreeSWITCH-powered IP PBX: The CudaTel Communication Server http://www.cudatel.com Official FreeSWITCH Sites http://www.freeswitch.org http://wiki.freeswitch.org http://www.cluecon.com FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
We have also decided to be a CISCO 3xx/5xx series shop (and Cisco/Linksys ATAs). They just work great. They are not the cheapest, but we think the quality justifies the cost. Regards, Sean From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of qasimakhan@gmail.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 6:52 AM To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Best SIP phone? I have been using Both Polycom and Cisco at my work. Both are good, There are firmwares available on some cisco models on which you can configure your phone from firmware as well as auto provisioning. There were however a few bugs in polycom here and there, Not that much annoying though. Over all considering quality and usability i would recommend cisco. Regards, Qasim On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Emrah <lists@kavun.ch> wrote: Thanks for that! You are giving me the impression that Polycom is years ahead. :) Best, Emrah On Sep 7, 2012, at 4:42 AM, François Delawarde <fdelawarde@wirelessmundi.com> wrote:
From my experience with a some Aastra models (mainly 6751i, 6755i and 6757i), users complain about usability issues, even for simple tasks like call transfer, and admins complain for too many bugs.
Overall sound quality is good, bugs are little annoying things, for example you can't change the time-zone from the Web-UI and you need to physically go to the phone menu; or configs that get screwed after any firmware update (need to reset to factory and re-provision).
We also had bad luck with the 51i, which became EOL before many bad bugs got the chance to be corrected. I had to change 5 out of 20 so far, as they slowly started dying after a couple of years (blank screen, or unable to provision at some point). The 55i and 57i still have firmware updates and are getting a bit better each time.
I find Yealink phones have a better overall quality (robustness, interop, sound, and USABILITY) for almost half the price, heck I even find latest Grandstream firmwares to be better than Aastra's.
François.
On Thu, 2012-09-06 at 20:39 -0400, Tim St. Pierre wrote:
Yes, those were terrible. We sold four of them, and have since replaced them all.
I think they were part of some acquisition that Aastra made, and they never really matured. I wouldn't judge Aastra by that phone.
-Tim
Emrah wrote:
That's great Tim, thanks! I'll check them out. I purchased 3 Aastra dect phones for my apt (some clone of Snom M3) and was super disappointed by the quality The speakerphone is simply unusable.
Regards, Emrah On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:45 PM, "Tim St. Pierre" <fs-list@communicatefreely.net> wrote:
Hi Emrah,
I have been using Aastra phones extensively. If you stay with the 5xi series, you should get good sound quality. The 6739i is really nice, but touch screen, so that's out.
There are a few different ways to provision them - the simplest way is for them to download a config file (ours are rendered on the fly with PHP). You can also use the Web UI, or send the phone XML commands. If you make changes in the web UI or push config via XML, the changes take place right away on the newer firmwares. This is great for experimenting, as you can change SIP settings around without having to reboot every time. You can also interface the phones to other systems using the XML interface, or via some proprietary software. There is a third party app that lets you click to dial from your computer, and you get on-screen notifications of incoming calls.
Some versions of firmware are buggy, but they are getting better. I'm waiting for IPv6 compatible firmware, but I'm told that it's in the works and they put me on the beta test list.
Hope that's helpful.
-Tim
Emrah wrote:
Hi all,
I have tried many IP phones and nothing comes close to the audio quality of a Polycom. I use a VVX1500 and everything is top notch, but it doesn't suit me entirely.
1. It's touch screen and I'm blind. 2. It's always a pain to restart the phone anytime you make a change in the provisioning configs. It's great in a corporate environment, but not so much for experimenting. 3. There isn't many ways to interface with the phone E.g.: trigger a dial out from your computer's address book.
I tried Snom a couple years ago and the audio quality was not good, with plenty of echo on speakerphone and buggy firmwares. Cisco is pretty much out of the question because of their closed configs and Linksys is pretty low end if my recollection is correct.
What can you recommend that is stable, versatile, open and good quality?
Cheers, Emrah
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I have to say I'm very impressed with the Yealink T28P, comparable to Polycom 650 in terms of quality and features, at 1/2 price. It's worth a try. On Fri, 2012-09-07 at 05:59 -0400, Emrah wrote:
Thanks for that! You are giving me the impression that Polycom is years ahead. :)
Best, Emrah On Sep 7, 2012, at 4:42 AM, François Delawarde <fdelawarde@wirelessmundi.com> wrote:
From my experience with a some Aastra models (mainly 6751i, 6755i and 6757i), users complain about usability issues, even for simple tasks like call transfer, and admins complain for too many bugs.
Overall sound quality is good, bugs are little annoying things, for example you can't change the time-zone from the Web-UI and you need to physically go to the phone menu; or configs that get screwed after any firmware update (need to reset to factory and re-provision).
We also had bad luck with the 51i, which became EOL before many bad bugs got the chance to be corrected. I had to change 5 out of 20 so far, as they slowly started dying after a couple of years (blank screen, or unable to provision at some point). The 55i and 57i still have firmware updates and are getting a bit better each time.
I find Yealink phones have a better overall quality (robustness, interop, sound, and USABILITY) for almost half the price, heck I even find latest Grandstream firmwares to be better than Aastra's.
François.
On Thu, 2012-09-06 at 20:39 -0400, Tim St. Pierre wrote:
Yes, those were terrible. We sold four of them, and have since replaced them all.
I think they were part of some acquisition that Aastra made, and they never really matured. I wouldn't judge Aastra by that phone.
-Tim
Emrah wrote:
That's great Tim, thanks! I'll check them out. I purchased 3 Aastra dect phones for my apt (some clone of Snom M3) and was super disappointed by the quality… The speakerphone is simply unusable.
Regards, Emrah On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:45 PM, "Tim St. Pierre" <fs-list@communicatefreely.net> wrote:
Hi Emrah,
I have been using Aastra phones extensively. If you stay with the 5xi series, you should get good sound quality. The 6739i is really nice, but touch screen, so that's out.
There are a few different ways to provision them - the simplest way is for them to download a config file (ours are rendered on the fly with PHP). You can also use the Web UI, or send the phone XML commands. If you make changes in the web UI or push config via XML, the changes take place right away on the newer firmwares. This is great for experimenting, as you can change SIP settings around without having to reboot every time. You can also interface the phones to other systems using the XML interface, or via some proprietary software. There is a third party app that lets you click to dial from your computer, and you get on-screen notifications of incoming calls.
Some versions of firmware are buggy, but they are getting better. I'm waiting for IPv6 compatible firmware, but I'm told that it's in the works and they put me on the beta test list.
Hope that's helpful.
-Tim
Emrah wrote:
Hi all,
I have tried many IP phones and nothing comes close to the audio quality of a Polycom. I use a VVX1500 and everything is top notch, but it doesn't suit me entirely.
1. It's touch screen and I'm blind. 2. It's always a pain to restart the phone anytime you make a change in the provisioning configs. It's great in a corporate environment, but not so much for experimenting. 3. There isn't many ways to interface with the phone… E.g.: trigger a dial out from your computer's address book.
I tried Snom a couple years ago and the audio quality was not good, with plenty of echo on speakerphone and buggy firmwares. Cisco is pretty much out of the question because of their closed configs and Linksys is pretty low end if my recollection is correct.
What can you recommend that is stable, versatile, open and good quality?
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Hi François, On 09/07/2012 01:07 PM, François Delawarde wrote:
I have to say I'm very impressed with the Yealink T28P, comparable to Polycom 650 in terms of quality and features, at 1/2 price. It's worth a try.
Quick question I could not find on the Yealink website or in the datasheet: is the screen of the T28P backlit? And the keys (like 0-9)? Thanks, Patrick
Hi Patrick, Not sure I understand the question. Aren't all LCD screens backlit? But yes the screen is a 320x160 LCD with backlight. About keys, you have 6 programmable keys on the top part and 10 more on the right with LEDs for BLF or other things. The other keys (dtmf, navigation, volume, etc.) have no light. François. On Fri, 2012-09-07 at 14:12 +0200, Patrick Lists wrote:
Hi François,
On 09/07/2012 01:07 PM, François Delawarde wrote:
I have to say I'm very impressed with the Yealink T28P, comparable to Polycom 650 in terms of quality and features, at 1/2 price. It's worth a try.
Quick question I could not find on the Yealink website or in the datasheet: is the screen of the T28P backlit? And the keys (like 0-9)?
Thanks, Patrick
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On 09/07/2012 03:24 PM, François Delawarde wrote:
Hi Patrick,
Not sure I understand the question. Aren't all LCD screens backlit?
The Cisco 7961 in my home office does not have a backlit LCD screen (like the Polycom IP670). Quite annoying in low light conditions so it's gathering dust.
But yes the screen is a 320x160 LCD with backlight. About keys, you have 6 programmable keys on the top part and 10 more on the right with LEDs for BLF or other things. The other keys (dtmf, navigation, volume, etc.) have no light.
Thanks for the info. Regards, Patrick
I use Polycoms with all new deployments. Linksys/Cisco SPA stuff is nice too, but we stopped using them. One reason was because of Polycom's UC Firmware and the possibilities when using it. Besides that, they have a more 'polished' feel to them and the speakerphones are unbelievable, even with their entry class phones. Cisco 79XX series are absolute crap. They can't be trusted, not when using SIP. Grandstream makes OK phones, probably not ready for primetime (although I dig their ATAs because they just work). Aastras have indeed some bugs that are annoying. Haven't really tried Snom well enough to give a good or bad review. Brian Foster Endigo Computer LLC Sent from a mobile device. On Sep 7, 2012 10:41 AM, "Patrick Lists" <freeswitch-list@puzzled.xs4all.nl> wrote:
On 09/07/2012 03:24 PM, François Delawarde wrote:
Hi Patrick,
Not sure I understand the question. Aren't all LCD screens backlit?
The Cisco 7961 in my home office does not have a backlit LCD screen (like the Polycom IP670). Quite annoying in low light conditions so it's gathering dust.
But yes the screen is a 320x160 LCD with backlight. About keys, you have 6 programmable keys on the top part and 10 more on the right with LEDs for BLF or other things. The other keys (dtmf, navigation, volume, etc.) have no light.
Thanks for the info.
Regards, Patrick
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I can vouch for cisco under sccp but under sip its sub par. And don't forget that you need smartnet in order to download the sip firmware which is always lacking in features than the current sip protocol. By the time they finally implement the complete feature set you'll find the sip protocol advanced and now has more features. But you can't download their new sip firmware anyway because you need to consistently pay for smartnet so you can download it. On Sep 7, 2012 11:11 PM, "Brian Foster" <bdfoster@endigotech.com> wrote:
I use Polycoms with all new deployments. Linksys/Cisco SPA stuff is nice
too, but we stopped using them. One reason was because of Polycom's UC Firmware and the possibilities when using it. Besides that, they have a more 'polished' feel to them and the speakerphones are unbelievable, even with their entry class phones.
Cisco 79XX series are absolute crap. They can't be trusted, not when
using SIP. Grandstream makes OK phones, probably not ready for primetime (although I dig their ATAs because they just work). Aastras have indeed some bugs that are annoying. Haven't really tried Snom well enough to give a good or bad review.
Brian Foster Endigo Computer LLC
Sent from a mobile device.
On Sep 7, 2012 10:41 AM, "Patrick Lists" <
freeswitch-list@puzzled.xs4all.nl> wrote:
On 09/07/2012 03:24 PM, François Delawarde wrote:
Hi Patrick,
Not sure I understand the question. Aren't all LCD screens backlit?
The Cisco 7961 in my home office does not have a backlit LCD screen (like the Polycom IP670). Quite annoying in low light conditions so it's gathering dust.
But yes the screen is a 320x160 LCD with backlight. About keys, you
have
6 programmable keys on the top part and 10 more on the right with LEDs for BLF or other things. The other keys (dtmf, navigation, volume, etc.) have no light.
Thanks for the info.
Regards, Patrick
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