hello, please: * in each programing language you want to start this project? * how i can contribute to it? thanks Matthew Lockwood wrote:

I'm about to start creating one. I think FS needs a UI comparable to FreePBX or similar. It's the next project on my list. It would certainly be a boost to the FS project and user acceptance.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Meftah Tayeb <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com <mailto:tayeb.meftah@gmail.com>> wrote:

hello my friends

please i need any Web FrontEnd for FS bicose i'm blind i'm using a screen reader. this screen reader is for windows only also is don't support a consol interface only graphical interface and i have a CentOs4.7 Box that contin my FS installed but i need to manage it (extentions, gateways and other fiturs please anyone setup WikiPBX for me? any help is welcome thanks my friends

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hello i'm also a windows Developer / microsoft technologie user i use.Net/Mono/... #Develope, SQLite and ... are you in irc now? my nick: DelphiWorld please message me. thanks Matthew Lockwood wrote:

This may raise eyebrows, but I was thinking about using the dotnet/mono framework. I'm coming from 10+ years in Windows, and have blindly followed MS technologies through my career, so I'm very comfortable with C#. There are inherent issues with this approach though. The other alternative is PHP, although it's not my first choice and I'm nowhere near as comfortable with it.

What're your thoughts?

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Meftah Tayeb <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com <mailto:tayeb.meftah@gmail.com>> wrote:

hello, please:

* in each programing language you want to start this project? * how i can contribute to it?

thanks Matthew Lockwood wrote:

...

I'm about to start creating one. I think FS needs a UI comparable to FreePBX or similar. It's the next project on my list. It would certainly be a boost to the FS project and user acceptance.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Meftah Tayeb <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com <mailto:tayeb.meftah@gmail.com>> wrote:

hello my friends

please i need any Web FrontEnd for FS bicose i'm blind i'm using a screen reader. this screen reader is for windows only also is don't support a consol interface only graphical interface and i have a CentOs4.7 Box that contin my FS installed but i need to manage it (extentions, gateways and other fiturs please anyone setup WikiPBX for me? any help is welcome thanks my friends

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I think you're more likely to get more help if you write it in PHP or ruby. PHP seems to be the open-source web language of choice by most, but ruby/rails has been gaining a lot of ground, so either would probably be a safe bet. -Ray Matthew Lockwood wrote:

KeeblerElfMatt ... I'll be there in a minute

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Meftah Tayeb <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com <mailto:tayeb.meftah@gmail.com>> wrote:

hello i'm also a windows Developer / microsoft technologie user i use.Net/Mono/... #Develope, SQLite and ... are you in irc now? my nick: DelphiWorld please message me. thanks Matthew Lockwood wrote:

...

This may raise eyebrows, but I was thinking about using the dotnet/mono framework. I'm coming from 10+ years in Windows, and have blindly followed MS technologies through my career, so I'm very comfortable with C#. There are inherent issues with this approach though. The other alternative is PHP, although it's not my first choice and I'm nowhere near as comfortable with it.

What're your thoughts?

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Meftah Tayeb <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com <mailto:tayeb.meftah@gmail.com>> wrote:

hello, please:

* in each programing language you want to start this project? * how i can contribute to it?

thanks Matthew Lockwood wrote:

...

I'm about to start creating one. I think FS needs a UI comparable to FreePBX or similar. It's the next project on my list. It would certainly be a boost to the FS project and user acceptance.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Meftah Tayeb <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com <mailto:tayeb.meftah@gmail.com>> wrote:

hello my friends

please i need any Web FrontEnd for FS bicose i'm blind i'm using a screen reader. this screen reader is for windows only also is don't support a consol interface only graphical interface and i have a CentOs4.7 Box that contin my FS installed but i need to manage it (extentions, gateways and other fiturs please anyone setup WikiPBX for me? any help is welcome thanks my friends

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Ray - The other issue is my competence in those scripting languages; I'm very competent in C# and the .NET framework. I'll have a substantial amount of downtime while I'm on several long-haul flights in the near future, so I can devote a good amount of time to getting this done. Mefta - I'm in IRC right now. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Meftah Tayeb <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com> wrote:

hello yes, PHP/Ruby is the best Web Scripting Languages but each one in the World have there knoledge base limitation thanks Raymond Chandler wrote:

I think you're more likely to get more help if you write it in PHP or ruby. PHP seems to be the open-source web language of choice by most, but ruby/rails has been gaining a lot of ground, so either would probably be a safe bet.

-Ray

Matthew Lockwood wrote:

KeeblerElfMatt ... I'll be there in a minute

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Meftah Tayeb <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com>wrote:

...

hello i'm also a windows Developer / microsoft technologie user i use.Net/Mono/... #Develope, SQLite and ... are you in irc now? my nick: DelphiWorld please message me. thanks Matthew Lockwood wrote:

This may raise eyebrows, but I was thinking about using the dotnet/mono framework. I'm coming from 10+ years in Windows, and have blindly followed MS technologies through my career, so I'm very comfortable with C#. There are inherent issues with this approach though. The other alternative is PHP, although it's not my first choice and I'm nowhere near as comfortable with it.

What're your thoughts?

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Meftah Tayeb <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com>wrote:

...

hello, please:

- in each programing language you want to start this project? - how i can contribute to it?

thanks Matthew Lockwood wrote:

I'm about to start creating one. I think FS needs a UI comparable to FreePBX or similar. It's the next project on my list. It would certainly be a boost to the FS project and user acceptance.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Meftah Tayeb <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com>wrote:

...

hello my friends

please i need any Web FrontEnd for FS bicose i'm blind i'm using a screen reader. this screen reader is for windows only also is don't support a consol interface only graphical interface and i have a CentOs4.7 Box that contin my FS installed but i need to manage it (extentions, gateways and other fiturs please anyone setup WikiPBX for me? any help is welcome thanks my friends

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There are two areas of help I'll need for sure: 1) Understanding certain nuances of FreeSWITCH and how to make certain things work (there are things I'll need to implement that aren't in my implementation) 2) User testing and lots and lots of feedback. I was planning to initially adopt the FreePBX look. If there's a web designer that wants to put together a new interface, that would most certainly be a welcome addition. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Raymond Chandler <intralanman@freeswitch.org

wrote:

I think you're more likely to get more help if you write it in PHP or ruby. PHP seems to be the open-source web language of choice by most, but ruby/rails has been gaining a lot of ground, so either would probably be a safe bet.

-Ray

Matthew Lockwood wrote:

KeeblerElfMatt ... I'll be there in a minute

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Meftah Tayeb <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com>wrote:

...

hello i'm also a windows Developer / microsoft technologie user i use.Net/Mono/... #Develope, SQLite and ... are you in irc now? my nick: DelphiWorld please message me. thanks Matthew Lockwood wrote:

This may raise eyebrows, but I was thinking about using the dotnet/mono framework. I'm coming from 10+ years in Windows, and have blindly followed MS technologies through my career, so I'm very comfortable with C#. There are inherent issues with this approach though. The other alternative is PHP, although it's not my first choice and I'm nowhere near as comfortable with it.

What're your thoughts?

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Meftah Tayeb <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com>wrote:

...

hello, please:

- in each programing language you want to start this project? - how i can contribute to it?

thanks Matthew Lockwood wrote:

I'm about to start creating one. I think FS needs a UI comparable to FreePBX or similar. It's the next project on my list. It would certainly be a boost to the FS project and user acceptance.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Meftah Tayeb <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com>wrote:

...

hello my friends

please i need any Web FrontEnd for FS bicose i'm blind i'm using a screen reader. this screen reader is for windows only also is don't support a consol interface only graphical interface and i have a CentOs4.7 Box that contin my FS installed but i need to manage it (extentions, gateways and other fiturs please anyone setup WikiPBX for me? any help is welcome thanks my friends

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hello, .Net is no only for windows but Linux also using MONO and #develope is open source thanks Brian West wrote:

ACK!~ :P Don't copy, be original... thats how you win!

/b

On Jun 4, 2009, at 5:23 PM, Matthew Lockwood wrote:

...

I was planning to initially adopt the FreePBX look. If there's a web designer that wants to put together a new interface, that would most certainly be a welcome addition.

Brian West brian@freeswitch.org <mailto:brian@freeswitch.org>

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hi, yes, i'm here to help you developing this Web GUI bicose only WikiPBX is here now and is not easy to install i hop that you start one with me thanks Matthew Lockwood wrote:

There are two areas of help I'll need for sure: 1) Understanding certain nuances of FreeSWITCH and how to make certain things work (there are things I'll need to implement that aren't in my implementation) 2) User testing and lots and lots of feedback.

I was planning to initially adopt the FreePBX look. If there's a web designer that wants to put together a new interface, that would most certainly be a welcome addition.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Raymond Chandler <intralanman@freeswitch.org <mailto:intralanman@freeswitch.org>> wrote:

I think you're more likely to get more help if you write it in PHP or ruby. PHP seems to be the open-source web language of choice by most, but ruby/rails has been gaining a lot of ground, so either would probably be a safe bet.

-Ray

Matthew Lockwood wrote:

...

KeeblerElfMatt ... I'll be there in a minute

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Meftah Tayeb <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com <mailto:tayeb.meftah@gmail.com>> wrote:

hello i'm also a windows Developer / microsoft technologie user i use.Net/Mono/... #Develope, SQLite and ... are you in irc now? my nick: DelphiWorld please message me. thanks Matthew Lockwood wrote:

...

This may raise eyebrows, but I was thinking about using the dotnet/mono framework. I'm coming from 10+ years in Windows, and have blindly followed MS technologies through my career, so I'm very comfortable with C#. There are inherent issues with this approach though. The other alternative is PHP, although it's not my first choice and I'm nowhere near as comfortable with it.

What're your thoughts?

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Meftah Tayeb <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com <mailto:tayeb.meftah@gmail.com>> wrote:

hello, please:

* in each programing language you want to start this project? * how i can contribute to it?

thanks Matthew Lockwood wrote:

...

I'm about to start creating one. I think FS needs a UI comparable to FreePBX or similar. It's the next project on my list. It would certainly be a boost to the FS project and user acceptance.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Meftah Tayeb <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com <mailto:tayeb.meftah@gmail.com>> wrote:

hello my friends

please i need any Web FrontEnd for FS bicose i'm blind i'm using a screen reader. this screen reader is for windows only also is don't support a consol interface only graphical interface and i have a CentOs4.7 Box that contin my FS installed but i need to manage it (extentions, gateways and other fiturs please anyone setup WikiPBX for me? any help is welcome thanks my friends

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hellok, do you need a graphical installer? i'm here to create it for the community! please tel me how i start a new FS subproject thanks Matthew Lockwood wrote:

An slightly more graphical install wizard would actually be useful too. This could be extended into something that could install and configure FreeSWITCH and install the GUI all at the same time. Talk about lowering the barrier to entry!

Brian - you're completely right. This idea has only been floating around in my head for 48 hours so it's not very mature. As we all know, it's 80% marketing, and 20% product (no smack talk, but think Asterisk!). I'll come up with a strategy.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Meftah Tayeb <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com <mailto:tayeb.meftah@gmail.com>> wrote:

hi, yes, i'm here to help you developing this Web GUI bicose only WikiPBX is here now and is not easy to install i hop that you start one with me thanks Matthew Lockwood wrote:

...

There are two areas of help I'll need for sure: 1) Understanding certain nuances of FreeSWITCH and how to make certain things work (there are things I'll need to implement that aren't in my implementation) 2) User testing and lots and lots of feedback.

I was planning to initially adopt the FreePBX look. If there's a web designer that wants to put together a new interface, that would most certainly be a welcome addition.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Raymond Chandler <intralanman@freeswitch.org <mailto:intralanman@freeswitch.org>> wrote:

I think you're more likely to get more help if you write it in PHP or ruby. PHP seems to be the open-source web language of choice by most, but ruby/rails has been gaining a lot of ground, so either would probably be a safe bet.

-Ray

Matthew Lockwood wrote:

...

KeeblerElfMatt ... I'll be there in a minute

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Meftah Tayeb <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com <mailto:tayeb.meftah@gmail.com>> wrote:

hello i'm also a windows Developer / microsoft technologie user i use.Net/Mono/... #Develope, SQLite and ... are you in irc now? my nick: DelphiWorld please message me. thanks Matthew Lockwood wrote:

...

This may raise eyebrows, but I was thinking about using the dotnet/mono framework. I'm coming from 10+ years in Windows, and have blindly followed MS technologies through my career, so I'm very comfortable with C#. There are inherent issues with this approach though. The other alternative is PHP, although it's not my first choice and I'm nowhere near as comfortable with it.

What're your thoughts?

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Meftah Tayeb <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com <mailto:tayeb.meftah@gmail.com>> wrote:

hello, please:

* in each programing language you want to start this project? * how i can contribute to it?

thanks Matthew Lockwood wrote:

...

I'm about to start creating one. I think FS needs a UI comparable to FreePBX or similar. It's the next project on my list. It would certainly be a boost to the FS project and user acceptance.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Meftah Tayeb <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com <mailto:tayeb.meftah@gmail.com>> wrote:

hello my friends

please i need any Web FrontEnd for FS bicose i'm blind i'm using a screen reader. this screen reader is for windows only also is don't support a consol interface only graphical interface and i have a CentOs4.7 Box that contin my FS installed but i need to manage it (extentions, gateways and other fiturs please anyone setup WikiPBX for me? any help is welcome thanks my friends

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On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Matthew Lockwood <matthew.lockwood@gmail.com

wrote:

An slightly more graphical install wizard would actually be useful too. This could be extended into something that could install and configure FreeSWITCH and install the GUI all at the same time. Talk about lowering the barrier to entry!

Brian - you're completely right. This idea has only been floating around in my head for 48 hours so it's not very mature. As we all know, it's 80% marketing, and 20% product (no smack talk, but think Asterisk!). I'll come up with a strategy.

well, the numbers are more like 98.5% marketing in that case. :)

LOL. I'd rather have a mediocre product and excellent marketing than the other way around; building a better mouse trap and sitting back is totally ineffective. A second GUI wouldn't be a bad thing. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Michael Collins <msc@freeswitch.org> wrote:

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Matthew Lockwood < matthew.lockwood@gmail.com> wrote:

...

An slightly more graphical install wizard would actually be useful too. This could be extended into something that could install and configure FreeSWITCH and install the GUI all at the same time. Talk about lowering the barrier to entry!

Brian - you're completely right. This idea has only been floating around in my head for 48 hours so it's not very mature. As we all know, it's 80% marketing, and 20% product (no smack talk, but think Asterisk!). I'll come up with a strategy.

well, the numbers are more like 98.5% marketing in that case. :)

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Okay, I'm going to schedule in a start date of the 16th. This will have my company backing it so it will be done! On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Brian West <brian@freeswitch.org> wrote:

I could agree the community needs to come together and JUST DO IT... but I can't count the times I have seen this thread before. /b

On Jun 4, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Matthew Lockwood wrote:

LOL. I'd rather have a mediocre product and excellent marketing than the other way around; building a better mouse trap and sitting back is totally ineffective.

A second GUI wouldn't be a bad thing.

Brian West brian@freeswitch.org

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On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Matthew Lockwood <matthew.lockwood@gmail.com

wrote:

Okay, leave this with me - I'll bring this together and do what's required. I'll see if I can squeeze it in ahead of schedule, but don't count on it. Also expect pleas for help at some stage, and I'll need a UI developer to create an awesome interface.

You'll all be hearing from me shortly!

You're hired!!! :)

I'm game to help out. I have "product" experience with UI and stuff... (but please don't think that I'm a business wonk). As a new freeswitch user it might be slightly harder to work with me rather than someone who knows the nuts and bolts of the system, but on the other hand, my n00b status might yield a more intuitive UI because it'll have to make sense to me in order to design it. Please keep me in the loop or add me to any emails on the topic and I'll see how I can join in. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Matthew Lockwood <matthew.lockwood@gmail.com

wrote:

Awesome :-D

I need some thinking time to come up with a strategy, but I'll set up a project site soon so we can all collaborate on this.

M

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Michael Collins <msc@freeswitch.org>wrote:

...

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Matthew Lockwood < matthew.lockwood@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Okay, leave this with me - I'll bring this together and do what's required. I'll see if I can squeeze it in ahead of schedule, but don't count on it. Also expect pleas for help at some stage, and I'll need a UI developer to create an awesome interface.

You'll all be hearing from me shortly!

You're hired!!! :)

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I would like to see it, and you would get many more volunteers if it would jquery/mootools UI with DJANGO backend. Or a MOZILLA XUL Or a DOJO APP Or a FLEX/AIR That would be different and unique.... -E

In case anyone was wondering, I could lend a hand if django/python, ruby on rails, or php on <any_good_framework> were involved. --Stephen On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Matthew Lockwood <matthew.lockwood@gmail.com

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That would involve me learning a totally new framework. It'll not the hardest code I'll ever write by far, so I'm okay coding it up on my own. However, I definitely need a lot of help from fabulous designers to actually make the interface pretty and useable. Plus, I'm only one person and will need a lot of feedback to create something that rocks - everybody has a different use case and I can't foresee how everybody will use it, so that kind of feedback will go into re-engineering it.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:47 PM, EdPimentl <edpimentl@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I would like to see it, and you would get many more volunteers if it would jquery/mootools UI with DJANGO backend.

Or a MOZILLA XUL

Or a DOJO APP

Or a FLEX/AIR

That would be different and unique.... -E

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On Jun 5, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Michael Collins wrote:

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Matthew Lockwood <matthew.lockwood@gmail.com

...

wrote: That would involve me learning a totally new framework. It'll not the hardest code I'll ever write by far, so I'm okay coding it up on my own. However, I definitely need a lot of help from fabulous designers to actually make the interface pretty and useable. Plus, I'm only one person and will need a lot of feedback to create something that rocks - everybody has a different use case and I can't foresee how everybody will use it, so that kind of feedback will go into re-engineering it.

If you guys are serious about this then I would like to make a few suggestions that might be obvious but for the sake of the project we'll make them explicitly obvious.

First, before deciding what framework to use, it would be good to hold some discussions about what the GUI actually needs to do: What are the design goals? Will it be just for setting up extensions and the dialplan? Or will it go much farther than that? Will you be using mod_xml_curl for everything? If so, what database(s) will you support? Are you going to have extra goodies like an IVR builder? A 'visual voicemail' page? A user portal? Management interface to 'spy' on users? A CDR/call accounting system? FIFO and/or ACD queue management? MOH and sound files management?

and conference management

It's okay to start small and build your way out, but you need to know before you start building what the grand scheme will be. The larger the goals of the project, the narrower your choices for a framework that can do it all. The simple fact of the matter is that if you want to use a MVC web framework then you have a somewhat limited number of choices. You need a MVC WF that fits your needs, which means it needs to be at least somewhat flexible. If you want a pretty GUI then you need to decide if you want a rich Internet application (RIA) front end like AIR, or do you want something along the lines of XHTML/CSS/JS and use a platform like Dojo which gives you cross-browser widgets and tools. All of this on top of the fact that if you want volunteers to assist you will need to pick something that people either know or can learn quickly.

Oh, and be prepared for people to give you unsolicited opinions about all sorts of things. :)

All that being said, I say go for it. Find what works for you and see what happens. Be sure to use #freeswitch-gui. If this really takes off I'm sure that we could even start a mailing list for GUI development.

Once the goals and features decided I think more ppl can join and work this out together.

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hello wasim, GWT will help me about Accessibility, is very very accessible tel me about how i can host GWT application thanks Wasim Baig wrote:

Just to chime in, perhaps GWT might be a good framework ...

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This is a really ironic post, Seven. :-) I agree with all your points. A while ago I started the TCAPI project to build a front-end for FreeSWITCH. I very quickly got inundated with debates about framework and language. These debates were initially appreciated but at some point we needed to decide & move on. The real work to be done was, as you point out, in design of the application business logic, interface and actually coding it up and putting it together. So we decided to go a bit radio silent and and focus on a few developers who were willing to build out the foundational pieces of the MVC architecture, and to let you create FreeSWITCH config files and general database and software modules with a set of standardized, simple to use libraries/APIs. Once we are done with that, the intention was to release it to those who wanted to help build the pieces related to modules in FreeSWITCH. That project is about 6 weeks from release into beta, give or take a few weeks (hey, it's software dev! heh who's ever on time?). So anyone who is on here reading this and might be interested in contributing code to an already very active FreeSWITCH GUI development project please feel free to contact me - we are now accepting serious developer inquiries. The project is in PHP and uses two pretty nifty frameworks (we, as you point out, couldn't find exactly what we were looking for, so we merged two libraries that fit the bill very nicely). It is database agnostic and is designed to work on Windows or Linux so don't let that be a barrier to participation. This will be an open source project for all, btw. I will be presenting on it at the upcoming ClueCon, warts and all, so you should go register and then you can participate in the demo/tutorial! :-) - Darren _____ From: seven [mailto:dujinfang@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 1:26 AM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] WikiPBX Installation On Jun 5, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Michael Collins wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Matthew Lockwood <matthew.lockwood@gmail.com> wrote: That would involve me learning a totally new framework. It'll not the hardest code I'll ever write by far, so I'm okay coding it up on my own. However, I definitely need a lot of help from fabulous designers to actually make the interface pretty and useable. Plus, I'm only one person and will need a lot of feedback to create something that rocks - everybody has a different use case and I can't foresee how everybody will use it, so that kind of feedback will go into re-engineering it. If you guys are serious about this then I would like to make a few suggestions that might be obvious but for the sake of the project we'll make them explicitly obvious. First, before deciding what framework to use, it would be good to hold some discussions about what the GUI actually needs to do: What are the design goals? Will it be just for setting up extensions and the dialplan? Or will it go much farther than that? Will you be using mod_xml_curl for everything? If so, what database(s) will you support? Are you going to have extra goodies like an IVR builder? A 'visual voicemail' page? A user portal? Management interface to 'spy' on users? A CDR/call accounting system? FIFO and/or ACD queue management? MOH and sound files management? and conference management It's okay to start small and build your way out, but you need to know before you start building what the grand scheme will be. The larger the goals of the project, the narrower your choices for a framework that can do it all. The simple fact of the matter is that if you want to use a MVC web framework then you have a somewhat limited number of choices. You need a MVC WF that fits your needs, which means it needs to be at least somewhat flexible. If you want a pretty GUI then you need to decide if you want a rich Internet application (RIA) front end like AIR, or do you want something along the lines of XHTML/CSS/JS and use a platform like Dojo which gives you cross-browser widgets and tools. All of this on top of the fact that if you want volunteers to assist you will need to pick something that people either know or can learn quickly. Oh, and be prepared for people to give you unsolicited opinions about all sorts of things. :) All that being said, I say go for it. Find what works for you and see what happens. Be sure to use #freeswitch-gui. If this really takes off I'm sure that we could even start a mailing list for GUI development. Once the goals and features decided I think more ppl can join and work this out together. Enjoy! -MC _______________________________________________ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org

Hail to someone who has actually done something! :-) Darren, I am excited to started working on that with you all. Maybe adding mod_khomp support to it whenever I have some actual working code. jmesquita On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Michael Collins <msc@freeswitch.org> wrote:

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Darren Schreiber <d@d-man.org> wrote:

...

This is a really ironic post, Seven. :-) I agree with all your points.

A while ago I started the TCAPI project to build a front-end for FreeSWITCH. I very quickly got inundated with debates about framework and language. These debates were initially appreciated but at some point we needed to decide & move on. The real work to be done was, as you point out, in design of the application business logic, interface and actually coding it up and putting it together. So we decided to go a bit radio silent and and focus on a few developers who were willing to build out the foundational pieces of the MVC architecture, and to let you create FreeSWITCH config files and general database and software modules with a set of standardized, simple to use libraries/APIs. Once we are done with that, the intention was to release it to those who wanted to help build the pieces related to modules in FreeSWITCH. That project is about 6 weeks from release into beta, give or take a few weeks (hey, it's software dev! heh who's ever on time?).

I was wondering when you were gonna chime in on this subject! :D -MC

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we created a #freeswitch-gui channel for talks such as these... I'm the only one idling in it most of the time, though :-( -Ray Michael Collins wrote:

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Matthew Lockwood <matthew.lockwood@gmail.com <mailto:matthew.lockwood@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm about to start creating one. I think FS needs a UI comparable to FreePBX or similar. It's the next project on my list. It would certainly be a boost to the FS project and user acceptance.

Be sure to check with Bougyman on IRC. He is planning on releasing an open-source, MIT-licensed FS-GUI w/ underlying framework. Last I heard he said week of June 15. Note: he said that it will require Ruby plus Rack and PostgreSQL.

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