Asking a Question (a.k.a. Gabe must be getting old)
This should be required reading before posting questions to the list: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#intro Special thanks to those people on the list who take special care to ask *smart* questions and those who provide valuable answers. You know who you are ;) Gabe
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Gabriel Gunderson <gabe@gundy.org> wrote:
This should be required reading before posting questions to the list:
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#intro
Special thanks to those people on the list who take special care to ask *smart* questions and those who provide valuable answers. You know who you are ;)
+1 - this is actually very handy -MC
to bad we cant get more people to read this before they post... also people, really... when googling site:lists.freeswitch.org whatever you want to know site:wiki.freeswitch.org find it on the wiki On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Michael Collins <msc@freeswitch.org>wrote:
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Gabriel Gunderson <gabe@gundy.org>wrote:
This should be required reading before posting questions to the list:
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#intro
Special thanks to those people on the list who take special care to ask *smart* questions and those who provide valuable answers. You know who you are ;)
+1 - this is actually very handy -MC
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FYI, I added a quickie link to the front page for the page Gabe suggested. I think this thread has given us our topic for next week's conference call: documenting how to find stuff. Let's talk about how we find stuff and then write up a nice page that we can link to when people ask vague/broad/I'm-really-lazy questions. -MC On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Ken Rice <krice@freeswitch.org> wrote:
to bad we cant get more people to read this before they post...
also people, really... when googling
site:lists.freeswitch.org whatever you want to know site:wiki.freeswitch.org find it on the wiki
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Michael Collins <msc@freeswitch.org>wrote:
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Gabriel Gunderson <gabe@gundy.org>wrote:
This should be required reading before posting questions to the list:
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#intro
Special thanks to those people on the list who take special care to ask *smart* questions and those who provide valuable answers. You know who you are ;)
+1 - this is actually very handy -MC
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On 31.08.2012 18:33, Michael Collins wrote:
FYI, I added a quickie link to the front page for the page Gabe suggested. I think this thread has given us our topic for next week's conference call: documenting how to find stuff. Let's talk about how we find stuff and then write up a nice page that we can link to when people ask vague/broad/I'm-really-lazy questions.
-MC
Michael, in mailing list there is lack of sorting by the same topic/thread. For example finding thru google a page from mailing list, I can't browse all the posts from that page related to thread in question. -- Mimiko desu.
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Vbvbrj <vbvbrj@gmail.com> wrote:
On 31.08.2012 18:33, Michael Collins wrote:
FYI, I added a quickie link to the front page for the page Gabe suggested. I think this thread has given us our topic for next week's conference call: documenting how to find stuff. Let's talk about how we find stuff and then write up a nice page that we can link to when people ask vague/broad/I'm-really-lazy questions.
-MC
Michael, in mailing list there is lack of sorting by the same topic/thread. For example finding thru google a page from mailing list, I can't browse all the posts from that page related to thread in question.
You can at lists.freeswitch.org. For example, this thread is found here: http://lists.freeswitch.org/pipermail/freeswitch-users/2012-August/087411.ht... -MC
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On 31.08.2012 21:22, Michael Collins wrote:
You can at lists.freeswitch.org <http://lists.freeswitch.org>. For example, this thread is found here: http://lists.freeswitch.org/pipermail/freeswitch-users/2012-August/087411.ht... -MC
Well, if you see the links bellow: Previous message: [Freeswitch-users] No Dialplan on answer channel Next message: [Freeswitch-users] Asking a Question (a.k.a. Gabe must be getting old) So one cant browse back to previous messages for thise thread unless step other other threads. -- Mimiko desu.
I'm afraid that this is nitpicking. You can view any post in any thread. This is Mailman for crying out loud! Everyone uses it - we are no better or worse than the thousands of other mailing lists that have it. If you are complaining because it takes two clicks instead of one then I'm afraid you won't find an receptive audience around here... -MC On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Vbvbrj <vbvbrj@gmail.com> wrote:
On 31.08.2012 21:22, Michael Collins wrote:
You can at lists.freeswitch.org <http://lists.freeswitch.org>. For example, this thread is found here:
http://lists.freeswitch.org/pipermail/freeswitch-users/2012-August/087411.ht...
-MC
Well, if you see the links bellow: Previous message: [Freeswitch-users] No Dialplan on answer channel Next message: [Freeswitch-users] Asking a Question (a.k.a. Gabe must be getting old)
So one cant browse back to previous messages for thise thread unless step other other threads.
-- Mimiko desu.
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On 31.08.2012 22:14, Michael Collins wrote:
I'm afraid that this is nitpicking. You can view any post in any thread. This is Mailman for crying out loud! Everyone uses it - we are no better or worse than the thousands of other mailing lists that have it. If you are complaining because it takes two clicks instead of one then I'm afraid you won't find an receptive audience around here...
-MC
There is no complain, I know about this is all mailing lists behavior. Its just a suggestion if it is possible. -- Mimiko desu.
You can indeed sort via thread. Also nabble sorts by thread much the same but it makes it look like a forum rather than a mailing list. +1 for next weeks topic. Its getting out of control. There are a lot of us that contribute to this list and it really bogs us down when the same questions keep being asked constantly. Or the questions aren't well thought out. Most of us have full time jobs/school/families/etc. and in my case I have two jobs and I'm going to school. Brian Foster Endigo Computer LLC Sent from a mobile device. On Aug 31, 2012 3:20 PM, "Vbvbrj" <vbvbrj@gmail.com> wrote:
On 31.08.2012 22:14, Michael Collins wrote:
I'm afraid that this is nitpicking. You can view any post in any thread. This is Mailman for crying out loud! Everyone uses it - we are no better or worse than the thousands of other mailing lists that have it. If you are complaining because it takes two clicks instead of one then I'm afraid you won't find an receptive audience around here...
-MC
There is no complain, I know about this is all mailing lists behavior. Its just a suggestion if it is possible.
-- Mimiko desu.
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+1 Not that i'm an expert, but i do see questions over and over again... --- David Villasmil On Aug 31, 2012, at 22:32, Brian Foster <bdfoster@endigotech.com> wrote:
You can indeed sort via thread. Also nabble sorts by thread much the same but it makes it look like a forum rather than a mailing list.
+1 for next weeks topic. Its getting out of control. There are a lot of us that contribute to this list and it really bogs us down when the same questions keep being asked constantly. Or the questions aren't well thought out. Most of us have full time jobs/school/families/etc. and in my case I have two jobs and I'm going to school.
Brian Foster Endigo Computer LLC
Sent from a mobile device.
On Aug 31, 2012 3:20 PM, "Vbvbrj" <vbvbrj@gmail.com> wrote: On 31.08.2012 22:14, Michael Collins wrote:
I'm afraid that this is nitpicking. You can view any post in any thread. This is Mailman for crying out loud! Everyone uses it - we are no better or worse than the thousands of other mailing lists that have it. If you are complaining because it takes two clicks instead of one then I'm afraid you won't find an receptive audience around here...
-MC
There is no complain, I know about this is all mailing lists behavior. Its just a suggestion if it is possible.
-- Mimiko desu.
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On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Michael Collins <msc@freeswitch.org> wrote:
FYI, I added a quickie link to the front page for the page Gabe suggested. I think this thread has given us our topic for next week's conference call: documenting how to find stuff. Let's talk about how we find stuff and then write up a nice page that we can link to when people ask vague/broad/I'm-really-lazy questions.
I know this is old and most everyone has moved on, but I thought I'd share this interesting link. I hope that people continue to use the mailing list in ways that benefit to the community as a whole. I know I can do better. http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/03/rubber-duck-problem-solving.html Best, Gabe
Duck testing is widely used by all of us on problem solving in general, not just developers. Nonetheless, they could've found a less fortunate name don't you think? :D João Mesquita On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Gabriel Gunderson <gabe@gundy.org> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Michael Collins <msc@freeswitch.org> wrote:
FYI, I added a quickie link to the front page for the page Gabe suggested. I think this thread has given us our topic for next week's conference call: documenting how to find stuff. Let's talk about how we find stuff and then write up a nice page that we can link to when people ask vague/broad/I'm-really-lazy questions.
I know this is old and most everyone has moved on, but I thought I'd share this interesting link. I hope that people continue to use the mailing list in ways that benefit to the community as a whole. I know I can do better.
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/03/rubber-duck-problem-solving.html
Best, Gabe
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On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Michael Collins <msc@freeswitch.org> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Gabriel Gunderson <gabe@gundy.org> wrote:
This should be required reading before posting questions to the list:
+1 - this is actually very handy
This is a better response to my email than I was expecting. I worried that people would think I was grumbling about nothing. The truth is, the mailing list archives is one of the best sources of information about FreeSWITCH. This valuable resource gets diluted with noise threads where people ask questions that a quick google would resolve. The other aspect that has me thinking about participation on the list is, the value of the audience's time. I thought I hear that there were 6,000 people on this list. If everyone takes 30 seconds to read a single lame question, that's 50 hrs of time spent. The best way you can show you respect your peers and the value they bring to the community is to not waste their time. Anyway, friends, I'm done ranting for a bit :) Again, thanks to everyone who makes community participation so valuable! Kind regards, Gabe
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Brian Foster
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David Villasmil
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Gabriel Gunderson
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João Mesquita
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Ken Rice
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Michael Collins
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Vbvbrj