Hello, some one can compile open g729 to work with freeswitch? http://www.readytechnology.co.uk/open/ipp-codecs-g729-g723.1/ i appreciate a lot if some one has some experience in it. Best Regards. Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com
How do you intend to pay the license fee? On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Gustavo Espeche <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> wrote:
Hello, some one can compile open g729 to work with freeswitch? http://www.readytechnology.co.uk/open/ipp-codecs-g729-g723.1/
i appreciate a lot if some one has some experience in it. Best Regards.
Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com
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I just need test the performance of trans-coding before to recommend to may customer what server it need and buy the codec, because of then i need testing in my lab how much cpu and memory require the trans-coding in freeswitch for g729. And searching i found the open-g729/g723 for asterisk. I relay don't wish to start a discussion about the g729 license i read and understated it. But i think that the license price per channel is to hight taking care that this codec has more than 10 years but the way this is only my opinion. Best Regards. Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 17:27 -0600, Rupa Schomaker wrote:
How do you intend to pay the license fee?
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Gustavo Espeche <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> wrote:
Hello, some one can compile open g729 to work with freeswitch? http://www.readytechnology.co.uk/open/ipp-codecs-g729-g723.1/
i appreciate a lot if some one has some experience in it. Best Regards.
Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com
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The price is set by the patent holders, there's not much that can be done about that. If you want to evaluate the g729 transcoding performance you **must** test with the one you plan to recommend - the mod_com_g729, mod_sangoma_codec and ipp g729 codecs have very difference performance characteristics. It is pointless to evaluate one and then recommend another. - mod_com_g729 is the official $10/channel license. It has good performance. To evaluate it you should try it for yourself. - The unofficial illegal FS module based ipp g729 which I shall not name has stability problems and uses far more CPU than mod_com_g729. Do not use it. - mod_sangoma_codec uses almost no CPU, but you do have to purchase a transcoding card. -Steve On 31 January 2011 12:44, Gustavo Espeche <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com>wrote:
I just need test the performance of trans-coding before to recommend to may customer what server it need and buy the codec, because of then i need testing in my lab how much cpu and memory require the trans-coding in freeswitch for g729. And searching i found the open-g729/g723 for asterisk. I relay don't wish to start a discussion about the g729 license i read and understated it. But i think that the license price per channel is to hight taking care that this codec has more than 10 years but the way this is only my opinion.
Best Regards. Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com
On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 17:27 -0600, Rupa Schomaker wrote:
How do you intend to pay the license fee?
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Gustavo Espeche <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> wrote:
Hello, some one can compile open g729 to work with freeswitch? http://www.readytechnology.co.uk/open/ipp-codecs-g729-g723.1/
i appreciate a lot if some one has some experience in it. Best Regards.
Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com
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so the best is, don't use G729 and go to buy food with your $10 ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Ayre To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729 The price is set by the patent holders, there's not much that can be done about that. If you want to evaluate the g729 transcoding performance you *must* test with the one you plan to recommend - the mod_com_g729, mod_sangoma_codec and ipp g729 codecs have very difference performance characteristics. It is pointless to evaluate one and then recommend another. - mod_com_g729 is the official $10/channel license. It has good performance. To evaluate it you should try it for yourself. - The unofficial illegal FS module based ipp g729 which I shall not name has stability problems and uses far more CPU than mod_com_g729. Do not use it. - mod_sangoma_codec uses almost no CPU, but you do have to purchase a transcoding card. -Steve On 31 January 2011 12:44, Gustavo Espeche <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> wrote: I just need test the performance of trans-coding before to recommend to may customer what server it need and buy the codec, because of then i need testing in my lab how much cpu and memory require the trans-coding in freeswitch for g729. And searching i found the open-g729/g723 for asterisk. I relay don't wish to start a discussion about the g729 license i read and understated it. But i think that the license price per channel is to hight taking care that this codec has more than 10 years but the way this is only my opinion. Best Regards. Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 17:27 -0600, Rupa Schomaker wrote: > How do you intend to pay the license fee? > > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Gustavo Espeche > <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > some one can compile open g729 to work with freeswitch? > > http://www.readytechnology.co.uk/open/ipp-codecs-g729-g723.1/ > > > > i appreciate a lot if some one has some experience in it. > > Best Regards. > > > > Gustavo Espeche > > www.easyipcall.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > > FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org > > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > > http://www.freeswitch.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Not always possible, for instance in wholesale it's pretty much the standard codec used. -Steve On 31 January 2011 15:48, Madovsky <infos@madovsky.org> wrote:
so the best is, don't use G729 and go to buy food with your $10 ;)
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Steven Ayre <steveayre@gmail.com> *To:* FreeSWITCH Users Help <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> *Sent:* Monday, January 31, 2011 7:53 AM *Subject:* Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729
The price is set by the patent holders, there's not much that can be done about that.
If you want to evaluate the g729 transcoding performance you **must**test with the one you plan to recommend - the mod_com_g729, mod_sangoma_codec and ipp g729 codecs have very difference performance characteristics. It is pointless to evaluate one and then recommend another.
- mod_com_g729 is the official $10/channel license. It has good performance. To evaluate it you should try it for yourself. - The unofficial illegal FS module based ipp g729 which I shall not name has stability problems and uses far more CPU than mod_com_g729. Do not use it. - mod_sangoma_codec uses almost no CPU, but you do have to purchase a transcoding card.
-Steve
On 31 January 2011 12:44, Gustavo Espeche <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com>wrote:
I just need test the performance of trans-coding before to recommend to may customer what server it need and buy the codec, because of then i need testing in my lab how much cpu and memory require the trans-coding in freeswitch for g729. And searching i found the open-g729/g723 for asterisk. I relay don't wish to start a discussion about the g729 license i read and understated it. But i think that the license price per channel is to hight taking care that this codec has more than 10 years but the way this is only my opinion.
Best Regards. Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com
On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 17:27 -0600, Rupa Schomaker wrote:
How do you intend to pay the license fee?
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Gustavo Espeche <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> wrote:
Hello, some one can compile open g729 to work with freeswitch? http://www.readytechnology.co.uk/open/ipp-codecs-g729-g723.1/
i appreciate a lot if some one has some experience in it. Best Regards.
Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com
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wholesale offer also GSM and G726 ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Ayre To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729 Not always possible, for instance in wholesale it's pretty much the standard codec used. -Steve On 31 January 2011 15:48, Madovsky <infos@madovsky.org> wrote: so the best is, don't use G729 and go to buy food with your $10 ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Ayre To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729 The price is set by the patent holders, there's not much that can be done about that. If you want to evaluate the g729 transcoding performance you *must* test with the one you plan to recommend - the mod_com_g729, mod_sangoma_codec and ipp g729 codecs have very difference performance characteristics. It is pointless to evaluate one and then recommend another. - mod_com_g729 is the official $10/channel license. It has good performance. To evaluate it you should try it for yourself. - The unofficial illegal FS module based ipp g729 which I shall not name has stability problems and uses far more CPU than mod_com_g729. Do not use it. - mod_sangoma_codec uses almost no CPU, but you do have to purchase a transcoding card. -Steve On 31 January 2011 12:44, Gustavo Espeche <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> wrote: I just need test the performance of trans-coding before to recommend to may customer what server it need and buy the codec, because of then i need testing in my lab how much cpu and memory require the trans-coding in freeswitch for g729. And searching i found the open-g729/g723 for asterisk. I relay don't wish to start a discussion about the g729 license i read and understated it. But i think that the license price per channel is to hight taking care that this codec has more than 10 years but the way this is only my opinion. Best Regards. Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 17:27 -0600, Rupa Schomaker wrote: > How do you intend to pay the license fee? > > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Gustavo Espeche > <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > some one can compile open g729 to work with freeswitch? > > http://www.readytechnology.co.uk/open/ipp-codecs-g729-g723.1/ > > > > i appreciate a lot if some one has some experience in it. > > Best Regards. > > > > Gustavo Espeche > > www.easyipcall.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > > FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org > > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > > http://www.freeswitch.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Depends on who your customer/provider is. 90% of our customers only support G711 and G729. Which is just fine since most of our gateways only support G711, G729 and G723.1 so we stick with G729 and don't need to transcode. :) -Steve On 31 January 2011 16:00, Madovsky <infos@madovsky.org> wrote:
wholesale offer also GSM and G726
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Steven Ayre <steveayre@gmail.com> *To:* FreeSWITCH Users Help <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> *Sent:* Monday, January 31, 2011 10:54 AM *Subject:* Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729
Not always possible, for instance in wholesale it's pretty much the standard codec used.
-Steve
On 31 January 2011 15:48, Madovsky <infos@madovsky.org> wrote:
so the best is, don't use G729 and go to buy food with your $10 ;)
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Steven Ayre <steveayre@gmail.com> *To:* FreeSWITCH Users Help <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> *Sent:* Monday, January 31, 2011 7:53 AM *Subject:* Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729
The price is set by the patent holders, there's not much that can be done about that.
If you want to evaluate the g729 transcoding performance you **must**test with the one you plan to recommend - the mod_com_g729, mod_sangoma_codec and ipp g729 codecs have very difference performance characteristics. It is pointless to evaluate one and then recommend another.
- mod_com_g729 is the official $10/channel license. It has good performance. To evaluate it you should try it for yourself. - The unofficial illegal FS module based ipp g729 which I shall not name has stability problems and uses far more CPU than mod_com_g729. Do not use it. - mod_sangoma_codec uses almost no CPU, but you do have to purchase a transcoding card.
-Steve
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wrote:
I just need test the performance of trans-coding before to recommend to may customer what server it need and buy the codec, because of then i need testing in my lab how much cpu and memory require the trans-coding in freeswitch for g729. And searching i found the open-g729/g723 for asterisk. I relay don't wish to start a discussion about the g729 license i read and understated it. But i think that the license price per channel is to hight taking care that this codec has more than 10 years but the way this is only my opinion.
Best Regards. Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com
On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 17:27 -0600, Rupa Schomaker wrote:
How do you intend to pay the license fee?
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Gustavo Espeche <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> wrote:
Hello, some one can compile open g729 to work with freeswitch? http://www.readytechnology.co.uk/open/ipp-codecs-g729-g723.1/
i appreciate a lot if some one has some experience in it. Best Regards.
Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com
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ok, but if I can make a parallel that's not because 95% of computer use $MS that you have to use $MS. so the choice is : - use more CPU to transcode G729 to XXX - buy a licence $10 and not make $10 donation to FS ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Ayre To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729 Depends on who your customer/provider is. 90% of our customers only support G711 and G729. Which is just fine since most of our gateways only support G711, G729 and G723.1 so we stick with G729 and don't need to transcode. :) -Steve On 31 January 2011 16:00, Madovsky <infos@madovsky.org> wrote: wholesale offer also GSM and G726 ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Ayre To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729 Not always possible, for instance in wholesale it's pretty much the standard codec used. -Steve On 31 January 2011 15:48, Madovsky <infos@madovsky.org> wrote: so the best is, don't use G729 and go to buy food with your $10 ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Ayre To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729 The price is set by the patent holders, there's not much that can be done about that. If you want to evaluate the g729 transcoding performance you *must* test with the one you plan to recommend - the mod_com_g729, mod_sangoma_codec and ipp g729 codecs have very difference performance characteristics. It is pointless to evaluate one and then recommend another. - mod_com_g729 is the official $10/channel license. It has good performance. To evaluate it you should try it for yourself. - The unofficial illegal FS module based ipp g729 which I shall not name has stability problems and uses far more CPU than mod_com_g729. Do not use it. - mod_sangoma_codec uses almost no CPU, but you do have to purchase a transcoding card. -Steve On 31 January 2011 12:44, Gustavo Espeche <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> wrote: I just need test the performance of trans-coding before to recommend to may customer what server it need and buy the codec, because of then i need testing in my lab how much cpu and memory require the trans-coding in freeswitch for g729. And searching i found the open-g729/g723 for asterisk. I relay don't wish to start a discussion about the g729 license i read and understated it. But i think that the license price per channel is to hight taking care that this codec has more than 10 years but the way this is only my opinion. Best Regards. Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 17:27 -0600, Rupa Schomaker wrote: > How do you intend to pay the license fee? > > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Gustavo Espeche > <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > some one can compile open g729 to work with freeswitch? > > http://www.readytechnology.co.uk/open/ipp-codecs-g729-g723.1/ > > > > i appreciate a lot if some one has some experience in it. > > Best Regards. > > > > Gustavo Espeche > > www.easyipcall.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > > FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org > > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > > http://www.freeswitch.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Its too bad this type of thread is always the only one anyone carries past like 4 exchanges. I would love for the other aspects of the project to get this much attention. I would like to say for the record. I personally spent the last many years working with others to sign up, pay a large sum of money, and go on the hook to provide these licenses to people. The only people who truly need G729, need it for business reasons. It's patented because someone wants to make money when you do. This is not something I can do anything about. I do my part by giving you the whole soft-switch for free. If you have to pay $10 for a channel, the bright side is you do not have to pay 100k for a commercial soft-switch and if you have to actually buy a lot of G729 licenses you must be doing something right and making a lot of money. I'd prefer if we not waste our time bickering about moot political issues and move on. There is a new codec being developed that is open and free and may some day eliminate G729. Until then let's focus on something we can actually do something about. Carry on if you wish, I just think we have better things to do. On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Madovsky <infos@madovsky.org> wrote:
ok, but if I can make a parallel that's not because 95% of computer use $MS that you have to use $MS. so the choice is :
- use more CPU to transcode G729 to XXX - buy a licence $10 and not make $10 donation to FS
----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Ayre To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729 Depends on who your customer/provider is.
90% of our customers only support G711 and G729. Which is just fine since most of our gateways only support G711, G729 and G723.1 so we stick with G729 and don't need to transcode. :)
-Steve
On 31 January 2011 16:00, Madovsky <infos@madovsky.org> wrote:
wholesale offer also GSM and G726
----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Ayre To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729 Not always possible, for instance in wholesale it's pretty much the standard codec used.
-Steve
On 31 January 2011 15:48, Madovsky <infos@madovsky.org> wrote:
so the best is, don't use G729 and go to buy food with your $10 ;)
----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Ayre To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729 The price is set by the patent holders, there's not much that can be done about that.
If you want to evaluate the g729 transcoding performance you *must* test with the one you plan to recommend - the mod_com_g729, mod_sangoma_codec and ipp g729 codecs have very difference performance characteristics. It is pointless to evaluate one and then recommend another.
- mod_com_g729 is the official $10/channel license. It has good performance. To evaluate it you should try it for yourself. - The unofficial illegal FS module based ipp g729 which I shall not name has stability problems and uses far more CPU than mod_com_g729. Do not use it. - mod_sangoma_codec uses almost no CPU, but you do have to purchase a transcoding card.
-Steve
On 31 January 2011 12:44, Gustavo Espeche <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> wrote:
I just need test the performance of trans-coding before to recommend to may customer what server it need and buy the codec, because of then i need testing in my lab how much cpu and memory require the trans-coding in freeswitch for g729. And searching i found the open-g729/g723 for asterisk. I relay don't wish to start a discussion about the g729 license i read and understated it. But i think that the license price per channel is to hight taking care that this codec has more than 10 years but the way this is only my opinion.
Best Regards. Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com
On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 17:27 -0600, Rupa Schomaker wrote:
How do you intend to pay the license fee?
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Gustavo Espeche <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> wrote:
Hello, some one can compile open g729 to work with freeswitch? http://www.readytechnology.co.uk/open/ipp-codecs-g729-g723.1/
i appreciate a lot if some one has some experience in it. Best Regards.
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The question that bugs me, that if some one have 1000 licenses for Asterisk g729 (10K$!) , and wants to switch over from asterisk to a FreeSWITCH, would one have to buy that 100 liceses again, or there is a kind of procedure to get the module for existing licenses? Most likely no way :) But it's worth to mention a problem, which might so much keeping one on the certain platform. And that is the case when one may consider, as owner of the licenses to go with the IPP (or other open implementation) without any law breakage.
So buy a hardware solution, then you can move it around. Plus it (I think) works out cheaper than the software versions. I also can't believe that any user of this (or some other) open source switch can't afford a few measly dollars for their transcoding requirements. Brent On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Anton VG <anton.vazir@gmail.com> wrote:
The question that bugs me, that if some one have 1000 licenses for Asterisk g729 (10K$!) , and wants to switch over from asterisk to a FreeSWITCH, would one have to buy that 100 liceses again, or there is a kind of procedure to get the module for existing licenses? Most likely no way :) But it's worth to mention a problem, which might so much keeping one on the certain platform. And that is the case when one may consider, as owner of the licenses to go with the IPP (or other open implementation) without any law breakage.
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Anton VG wrote:
The question that bugs me, that if some one have 1000 licenses for Asterisk g729 (10K$!) , and wants to switch over from asterisk to a FreeSWITCH, would one have to buy that 100 liceses again, or there is a kind of procedure to get the module for existing licenses? Most likely no way :)
I would concur with you on this. Otherwise, owners of ATA device (with included G729 CoDec) no longer have to pay for additional G729 CoDec licenses for their FS and/or Asterisk. ----- don't and stop are the ONLY two 4-letter words considered offensive to men, but not when used together. -- View this message in context: http://freeswitch-users.2379917.n2.nabble.com/open-g729-tp5973641p5980611.ht... Sent from the freeswitch-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
On 02/01/2011 06:07 PM, Anton VG wrote:
The question that bugs me, that if some one have 1000 licenses for Asterisk g729 (10K$!) , and wants to switch over from asterisk to a FreeSWITCH, would one have to buy that 100 liceses again, or there is a kind of procedure to get the module for existing licenses? Most likely no way :) But it's worth to mention a problem, which might so much keeping one on the certain platform. And that is the case when one may consider, as owner of the licenses to go with the IPP (or other open implementation) without any law breakage.
Those software licence fees do not bestow the right to run any other G.729 software. You might feel you are on moral high ground using IPP after paying for asterisk licences, but this has no legal standing. At one time you could get low volume patent licences from the G.729 patent pool people, to run any code you like. This is no longer offered, and it was probably never of much value. I don't think you could get a similar low volume arrangement for the patents you need to licence which are outside the pool. Steve
No, because they're licensed from different sources. It's no different to if I buy a G729 license for one softphone, I can't then use it in another without buying another license. A sangoma card pays for the license in the hardware costs and the drivers are free though, so you can switch platform that way while keeping the license. "And that is the case when one may consider, as owner of the licenses to go with the IPP (or other open implementation) without any law breakage." They won't have a license for the IPP codec, only for the Asterisk one. So it wouldn't be licensed. Even if you want to justify it to yourself that way. -Steve On 1 February 2011 10:07, Anton VG <anton.vazir@gmail.com> wrote:
The question that bugs me, that if some one have 1000 licenses for Asterisk g729 (10K$!) , and wants to switch over from asterisk to a FreeSWITCH, would one have to buy that 100 liceses again, or there is a kind of procedure to get the module for existing licenses? Most likely no way :) But it's worth to mention a problem, which might so much keeping one on the certain platform. And that is the case when one may consider, as owner of the licenses to go with the IPP (or other open implementation) without any law breakage.
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Considering the above, noone can say "Purchase a LICENSE", but only a "Licensed SOFTWARE"
Simple solution to this g.729 patent non-sense: Speex. 'nuff said. On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Anton VG <anton.vazir@gmail.com> wrote:
Considering the above, noone can say "Purchase a LICENSE", but only a "Licensed SOFTWARE"
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Except that many hardware phones don't have speex, so the only low-bandwidth solution is g729... On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:43 PM, curriegrad2004 <curriegrad2004@gmail.com>wrote:
Simple solution to this g.729 patent non-sense: Speex.
'nuff said.
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Considering the above, noone can say "Purchase a LICENSE", but only a "Licensed SOFTWARE"
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Phones, carriers, and just about any commercial gear (reference hardware, SBCs, DSPs, etc) you'll ever see doesn't support Speex. Guess how you'll make it work? Transcoding from G729 to Speex. Now you're using licenses, proxying RTP, and wasting CPU while ruining voice quality transcoding from one lossy codec to another. It's just about the worst possible situation you could be in. On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Avi Marcus <avi@avimarcus.net> wrote:
Except that many hardware phones don't have speex, so the only low-bandwidth solution is g729... On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:43 PM, curriegrad2004 <curriegrad2004@gmail.com> wrote:
Simple solution to this g.729 patent non-sense: Speex.
'nuff said.
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Considering the above, noone can say "Purchase a LICENSE", but only a "Licensed SOFTWARE"
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Why people insist on speex I am not sure... Sure its nice on a closed network but quickly looses its luster when communicating with the real world... Not to mention the CPU usages and such... If you want to use something like speex check out iLBC and theres things like the Sangoma D100/D500 that you can use to offload the transcoding from the CPU (disclaimer I sell the sangoma hardware) K On 2/1/11 12:45 PM, "Kristian Kielhofner" <kris@kriskinc.com> wrote:
Phones, carriers, and just about any commercial gear (reference hardware, SBCs, DSPs, etc) you'll ever see doesn't support Speex. Guess how you'll make it work? Transcoding from G729 to Speex. Now you're using licenses, proxying RTP, and wasting CPU while ruining voice quality transcoding from one lossy codec to another. It's just about the worst possible situation you could be in.
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Avi Marcus <avi@avimarcus.net> wrote:
Except that many hardware phones don't have speex, so the only low-bandwidth solution is g729... On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:43 PM, curriegrad2004 <curriegrad2004@gmail.com> wrote:
Simple solution to this g.729 patent non-sense: Speex.
'nuff said.
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Considering the above, noone can say "Purchase a LICENSE", but only a "Licensed SOFTWARE"
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If hardware doesn't support it, make one that supports Speex right out of the box. I'm pretty sure that somebody will do it. On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Ken Rice <krice@freeswitch.org> wrote:
Why people insist on speex I am not sure... Sure its nice on a closed network but quickly looses its luster when communicating with the real world... Not to mention the CPU usages and such...
If you want to use something like speex check out iLBC and theres things like the Sangoma D100/D500 that you can use to offload the transcoding from the CPU (disclaimer I sell the sangoma hardware)
K
On 2/1/11 12:45 PM, "Kristian Kielhofner" <kris@kriskinc.com> wrote:
Phones, carriers, and just about any commercial gear (reference hardware, SBCs, DSPs, etc) you'll ever see doesn't support Speex. Guess how you'll make it work? Transcoding from G729 to Speex. Now you're using licenses, proxying RTP, and wasting CPU while ruining voice quality transcoding from one lossy codec to another. It's just about the worst possible situation you could be in.
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Avi Marcus <avi@avimarcus.net> wrote:
Except that many hardware phones don't have speex, so the only low-bandwidth solution is g729... On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:43 PM, curriegrad2004 <curriegrad2004@gmail.com> wrote:
Simple solution to this g.729 patent non-sense: Speex.
'nuff said.
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Anton VG <anton.vazir@gmail.com> wrote:
Considering the above, noone can say "Purchase a LICENSE", but only a "Licensed SOFTWARE"
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But you still need someone to be able to talk to. Ken's point is it works great when you're only calling your other Speex phones, but as soon as you want to talk to someone else you'll find they don't have Speex. You then have to use another codec... a common standard one that's been around for so long everyone supports it... like G729. On 2 February 2011 03:00, curriegrad2004 <curriegrad2004@gmail.com> wrote:
If hardware doesn't support it, make one that supports Speex right out of the box. I'm pretty sure that somebody will do it.
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Ken Rice <krice@freeswitch.org> wrote:
Why people insist on speex I am not sure... Sure its nice on a closed network but quickly looses its luster when communicating with the real world... Not to mention the CPU usages and such...
If you want to use something like speex check out iLBC and theres things like the Sangoma D100/D500 that you can use to offload the transcoding from the CPU (disclaimer I sell the sangoma hardware)
K
On 2/1/11 12:45 PM, "Kristian Kielhofner" <kris@kriskinc.com> wrote:
Phones, carriers, and just about any commercial gear (reference hardware, SBCs, DSPs, etc) you'll ever see doesn't support Speex. Guess how you'll make it work? Transcoding from G729 to Speex. Now you're using licenses, proxying RTP, and wasting CPU while ruining voice quality transcoding from one lossy codec to another. It's just about the worst possible situation you could be in.
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Avi Marcus <avi@avimarcus.net> wrote:
Except that many hardware phones don't have speex, so the only low-bandwidth solution is g729... On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:43 PM, curriegrad2004 < curriegrad2004@gmail.com> wrote:
Simple solution to this g.729 patent non-sense: Speex.
'nuff said.
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Considering the above, noone can say "Purchase a LICENSE", but only a "Licensed SOFTWARE"
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That¹s exactly the whole point... And then even ilBC isnt that widely deployed but you can get more hardware that speaks iLBC then you can speex... Face it... In reality you¹re more widely find hardware that speaks AMR then speex or iLBC, because that what the cellular networks went with (note: I¹m not saying that these are better then speex in performance I am strictly talking ease of interop with outside equipment and VoIP vendors) Everyone keeps forgetting that what is best doesn¹t always win.. See BetaMax vs VHS... K On 2/2/11 3:52 AM, "Steven Ayre" <steveayre@gmail.com> wrote:
But you still need someone to be able to talk to. Ken's point is it works great when you're only calling your other Speex phones, but as soon as you want to talk to someone else you'll find they don't have Speex. You then have to use another codec... a common standard one that's been around for so long everyone supports it... like G729.
On 2 February 2011 03:00, curriegrad2004 <curriegrad2004@gmail.com> wrote:
If hardware doesn't support it, make one that supports Speex right out of the box. I'm pretty sure that somebody will do it.
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Ken Rice <krice@freeswitch.org> wrote:
Why people insist on speex I am not sure... Sure its nice on a closed network but quickly looses its luster when communicating with the real world... Not to mention the CPU usages and such...
If you want to use something like speex check out iLBC and theres things like the Sangoma D100/D500 that you can use to offload the transcoding from the CPU (disclaimer I sell the sangoma hardware)
K
On 2/1/11 12:45 PM, "Kristian Kielhofner" <kris@kriskinc.com> wrote:
Phones, carriers, and just about any commercial gear (reference hardware, SBCs, DSPs, etc) you'll ever see doesn't support Speex. Guess how you'll make it work? Transcoding from G729 to Speex. Now you're using licenses, proxying RTP, and wasting CPU while ruining voice quality transcoding from one lossy codec to another. It's just about the worst possible situation you could be in.
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Avi Marcus <avi@avimarcus.net> wrote: >> Except that many hardware phones don't have speex, so the only low-bandwidth >> solution is g729... >> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:43 PM, curriegrad2004 <curriegrad2004@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Simple solution to this g.729 patent non-sense: Speex. >>>> >>>> 'nuff said. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Anton VG <anton.vazir@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> Considering the above, noone can say "Purchase a LICENSE", but > only a > >>>>> "Licensed SOFTWARE" > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > >>>>> FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org > >>>>> http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > >>>>> > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > >>>>> http://www.freeswitch.org > >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FreeSWITCH-users mailing list >>>> FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org >>>> http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users >>>> http://www.freeswitch.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FreeSWITCH-users mailing list >> FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org >> http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users >> UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users >> http://www.freeswitch.org >> >>
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There is a new codec being developed that is open and free and may some day eliminate G729. Is this an FS in-house CoDec? Do you have its specs and/or link for us to digest?
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IPP has a fairly good performance, at least on asterisk it performs as good as proprietary one, works perfectly fine, has no stability problems, and I highly doubt that FS situation differs, unless someone can prove it by posting real performance test numbers. 2011/1/31 Steven Ayre <steveayre@gmail.com>:
The price is set by the patent holders, there's not much that can be done about that.
If you want to evaluate the g729 transcoding performance you *must* test with the one you plan to recommend - the mod_com_g729, mod_sangoma_codec and ipp g729 codecs have very difference performance characteristics. It is pointless to evaluate one and then recommend another.
- mod_com_g729 is the official $10/channel license. It has good performance. To evaluate it you should try it for yourself. - The unofficial illegal FS module based ipp g729 which I shall not name has stability problems and uses far more CPU than mod_com_g729. Do not use it. - mod_sangoma_codec uses almost no CPU, but you do have to purchase a transcoding card.
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On 31 January 2011 12:44, Gustavo Espeche <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> wrote:
I just need test the performance of trans-coding before to recommend to may customer what server it need and buy the codec, because of then i need testing in my lab how much cpu and memory require the trans-coding in freeswitch for g729. And searching i found the open-g729/g723 for asterisk. I relay don't wish to start a discussion about the g729 license i read and understated it. But i think that the license price per channel is to hight taking care that this codec has more than 10 years but the way this is only my opinion.
Best Regards. Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com
On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 17:27 -0600, Rupa Schomaker wrote:
How do you intend to pay the license fee?
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Gustavo Espeche <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> wrote:
Hello, some one can compile open g729 to work with freeswitch? http://www.readytechnology.co.uk/open/ipp-codecs-g729-g723.1/
i appreciate a lot if some one has some experience in it. Best Regards.
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I was talking more about the FS module that I won't name that's based on IPP, not IPP itself. -Steve On 31 January 2011 15:54, Anton VG <anton.vazir@gmail.com> wrote:
IPP has a fairly good performance, at least on asterisk it performs as good as proprietary one, works perfectly fine, has no stability problems, and I highly doubt that FS situation differs, unless someone can prove it by posting real performance test numbers.
2011/1/31 Steven Ayre <steveayre@gmail.com>:
The price is set by the patent holders, there's not much that can be done about that.
If you want to evaluate the g729 transcoding performance you *must* test with the one you plan to recommend - the mod_com_g729, mod_sangoma_codec and ipp g729 codecs have very difference performance characteristics. It is pointless to evaluate one and then recommend another.
- mod_com_g729 is the official $10/channel license. It has good performance. To evaluate it you should try it for yourself. - The unofficial illegal FS module based ipp g729 which I shall not name has stability problems and uses far more CPU than mod_com_g729. Do not use it. - mod_sangoma_codec uses almost no CPU, but you do have to purchase a transcoding card.
-Steve
On 31 January 2011 12:44, Gustavo Espeche < gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> wrote:
I just need test the performance of trans-coding before to recommend to may customer what server it need and buy the codec, because of then i need testing in my lab how much cpu and memory require the trans-coding in freeswitch for g729. And searching i found the open-g729/g723 for asterisk. I relay don't wish to start a discussion about the g729 license i read and understated it. But i think that the license price per channel is to hight taking care that this codec has more than 10 years but the way this is only my opinion.
Best Regards. Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com
On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 17:27 -0600, Rupa Schomaker wrote:
How do you intend to pay the license fee?
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Gustavo Espeche <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> wrote:
Hello, some one can compile open g729 to work with freeswitch? http://www.readytechnology.co.uk/open/ipp-codecs-g729-g723.1/
i appreciate a lot if some one has some experience in it. Best Regards.
Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com
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On 01/31/2011 11:54 PM, Anton VG wrote:
IPP has a fairly good performance, at least on asterisk it performs as good as proprietary one, works perfectly fine, has no stability problems, and I highly doubt that FS situation differs, unless someone can prove it by posting real performance test numbers. The last time I tested, the code we use for the Freeswitch G.729 took about 50% as much CPU time as the codec based on the IPP code. I don't know much about the Asterisk codec, but people have told me the Freeswitch it quite a bit faster than that one, too.
Steve
On 01/31/2011 08:44 PM, Gustavo Espeche wrote:
I just need test the performance of trans-coding before to recommend to may customer what server it need and buy the codec, because of then i need testing in my lab how much cpu and memory require the trans-coding in freeswitch for g729. And searching i found the open-g729/g723 for asterisk. I relay don't wish to start a discussion about the g729 license i read and understated it. But i think that the license price per channel is to hight taking care that this codec has more than 10 years but the way this is only my opinion. That is not a plausible reason for wanting to use the unlicenced code. It is completely different from the licenced code. The performance of the two is very different.
The price won't really change until the codec is 20 years old, and the patents expire. Steve
Steve Underwood wrote:
The price won't really change until the codec is 20 years old, and the patents expire. What happens when the patents get renewed?
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Legally, they would have to make substantial changes to the G.729 code before they can even re-patent it after the expiry. Now I'm not a lawyer on this, but this seems to be the case with most of the patents out there. On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:19 AM, mazilo <Nabble@slickdeals.endjunk.com> wrote:
Steve Underwood wrote:
The price won't really change until the codec is 20 years old, and the patents expire. What happens when the patents get renewed?
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do it and end up in jail. Le 30/01/2011 00:23, Gustavo Espeche a écrit :
Hello, some one can compile open g729 to work with freeswitch? http://www.readytechnology.co.uk/open/ipp-codecs-g729-g723.1/
i appreciate a lot if some one has some experience in it. Best Regards.
Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com
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it's companies that create private licence for public use you need to put in jail.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meftah Tayeb" <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com> To: "FreeSWITCH Users Help" <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Cc: "Gustavo Espeche" <gustavo.espeche@upper-soft.com> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729 do it and end up in jail. Le 30/01/2011 00:23, Gustavo Espeche a écrit :
Hello, some one can compile open g729 to work with freeswitch? http://www.readytechnology.co.uk/open/ipp-codecs-g729-g723.1/
i appreciate a lot if some one has some experience in it. Best Regards.
Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com
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Meh, I think he wants a free g729 codec, really. Why don't they just kill g729 completely and move on with Speex already... On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Madovsky <infos@madovsky.org> wrote:
it's companies that create private licence for public use you need to put in jail....
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do it and end up in jail. Le 30/01/2011 00:23, Gustavo Espeche a écrit :
Hello, some one can compile open g729 to work with freeswitch? http://www.readytechnology.co.uk/open/ipp-codecs-g729-g723.1/
i appreciate a lot if some one has some experience in it. Best Regards.
Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com
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Or in Algeria, but that's almost the same :) -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] Namens Meftah Tayeb Verzonden: zondag 30 januari 2011 19:09 Aan: FreeSWITCH Users Help CC: Gustavo Espeche Onderwerp: Re: [Freeswitch-users] open g729 do it and end up in jail. Le 30/01/2011 00:23, Gustavo Espeche a écrit :
Hello, some one can compile open g729 to work with freeswitch? http://www.readytechnology.co.uk/open/ipp-codecs-g729-g723.1/
i appreciate a lot if some one has some experience in it. Best Regards.
Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com
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Please refrain from posting these types of illegal things. You put our project and us in a bad position doing this. It is not legal for you to use G729 in most countries around the world even if you believe otherwise without a license to do so. /b On Jan 29, 2011, at 5:23 PM, Gustavo Espeche wrote:
Hello, some one can compile open g729 to work with freeswitch?
i appreciate a lot if some one has some experience in it. Best Regards.
Gustavo Espeche www.easyipcall.com
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Anthony Minessale
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Anton VG
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Avi Marcus
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Brent Paddon
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Brian West
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curriegrad2004
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Erik Dekkers
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Gustavo Espeche
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Ken Rice
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Kristian Kielhofner
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Madovsky
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mazilo
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Meftah Tayeb
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Rupa Schomaker
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Steve Underwood
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Steven Ayre