This is a trivial request but here goes: We are using the User Agent parameter to replace the name "Freeswitch" with our company name in the SIP header. How can we do the same in the SDP? Thanks, Ken Fulmer
Why would you wanna do that? /b On Apr 27, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Ken Fulmer wrote:
This is a trivial request but here goes:
We are using the User Agent parameter to replace the name “Freeswitch” with our company name in the SIP header. How can we do the same in the SDP?
Thanks,
Ken Fulmer
It's not meant to be offensive or anything. We'd just like to ensure the competition doesn't know what we're doing for as long as possible. That's all. Ken From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Brian West Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:05 AM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP Why would you wanna do that? /b On Apr 27, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Ken Fulmer wrote: This is a trivial request but here goes: We are using the User Agent parameter to replace the name "Freeswitch" with our company name in the SIP header. How can we do the same in the SDP? Thanks, Ken Fulmer
While I understand the request: 1) They are going to find out anyway. 2) You are posting to FreeSWITCH-users using (presumably) your real name and corporate e-mail address. If you were looking to hide FreeSWITCH it's a little too late. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
It’s not meant to be offensive or anything. We’d just like to ensure the competition doesn’t know what we’re doing for as long as possible. That’s all.
Ken
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Very true. We're just trying to stay one step ahead of the local competition. -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Kielhofner Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:37 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP While I understand the request: 1) They are going to find out anyway. 2) You are posting to FreeSWITCH-users using (presumably) your real name and corporate e-mail address. If you were looking to hide FreeSWITCH it's a little too late. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
It's not meant to be offensive or anything. We'd just like to ensure the competition doesn't know what we're doing for as long as possible. That's all.
Ken
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I have seen many people doing this, but competitors are the people first to know what you are hiding behind :) trust me On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
Very true. We're just trying to stay one step ahead of the local competition.
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Kielhofner Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:37 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
While I understand the request:
1) They are going to find out anyway. 2) You are posting to FreeSWITCH-users using (presumably) your real name and corporate e-mail address.
If you were looking to hide FreeSWITCH it's a little too late.
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
It's not meant to be offensive or anything. We'd just like to ensure the competition doesn't know what we're doing for as long as possible. That's all.
Ken
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Well, if you dont show anything, probably. But if you replace all strings containing FreeSWITCH by Asterisk or Sonus, you can make them crazy for months :) David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur. Le 27/04/2010 à 21:02, Ghulam Mustafa a écrit :
I have seen many people doing this, but competitors are the people first to know what you are hiding behind :) trust me
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
Very true. We're just trying to stay one step ahead of the local competition.
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Kielhofner Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:37 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
While I understand the request:
1) They are going to find out anyway. 2) You are posting to FreeSWITCH-users using (presumably) your real name and corporate e-mail address.
If you were looking to hide FreeSWITCH it's a little too late.
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
It's not meant to be offensive or anything. We'd just like to ensure the competition doesn't know what we're doing for as long as possible. That's all.
Ken
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Its kinda pointless because the X-FS headers all over the place GIVE IT AWAY! /b On Apr 27, 2010, at 2:13 PM, David Ponzone wrote:
Well, if you dont show anything, probably. But if you replace all strings containing FreeSWITCH by Asterisk or Sonus, you can make them crazy for months :)
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Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.
Wait, so your "competition" can't figure out to use FreeSWITCH, yet they are still competition? I mean, you got people sitting around going "hmm how can bet beat Ken, damn we can't- -- OH FREESWITCH NOW I GET IT!!!"? -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Ken Fulmer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:48 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP Very true. We're just trying to stay one step ahead of the local competition. -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Kielhofner Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:37 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP While I understand the request: 1) They are going to find out anyway. 2) You are posting to FreeSWITCH-users using (presumably) your real name and corporate e-mail address. If you were looking to hide FreeSWITCH it's a little too late. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
It's not meant to be offensive or anything. We'd just like to ensure the competition doesn't know what we're doing for as long as possible. That's all.
Ken
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Come to ClueCon! Hmm a bit offtopic but this thread is a dead horse anyway may as well spin it into a ClueCon add. Maybe you can sponsor the conference before the competition figures out to sponsor as well. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Michael Giagnocavo <mgg@giagnocavo.net>wrote:
Wait, so your "competition" can't figure out to use FreeSWITCH, yet they are still competition? I mean, you got people sitting around going "hmm how can bet beat Ken, damn we can't- -- OH FREESWITCH NOW I GET IT!!!"?
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Ken Fulmer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:48 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
Very true. We're just trying to stay one step ahead of the local competition.
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Kielhofner Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:37 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
While I understand the request:
1) They are going to find out anyway. 2) You are posting to FreeSWITCH-users using (presumably) your real name and corporate e-mail address.
If you were looking to hide FreeSWITCH it's a little too late.
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Ken Fulmer < kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
It's not meant to be offensive or anything. We'd just like to ensure the competition doesn't know what we're doing for as long as possible. That's all.
Ken
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We have competitors using vendor solutions that are expensive as hell. So, we are trying to counter with a less expensive but powerful solution. What exactly is wrong with that? And what is wrong with trying to extend the barrier to entry for our competitors as long as possible? Not sure why there's such a mystery here... -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Michael Giagnocavo Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:39 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP Wait, so your "competition" can't figure out to use FreeSWITCH, yet they are still competition? I mean, you got people sitting around going "hmm how can bet beat Ken, damn we can't- -- OH FREESWITCH NOW I GET IT!!!"? -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Ken Fulmer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:48 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP Very true. We're just trying to stay one step ahead of the local competition. -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Kielhofner Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:37 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP While I understand the request: 1) They are going to find out anyway. 2) You are posting to FreeSWITCH-users using (presumably) your real name and corporate e-mail address. If you were looking to hide FreeSWITCH it's a little too late. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
It's not meant to be offensive or anything. We'd just like to ensure the competition doesn't know what we're doing for as long as possible. That's all.
Ken
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Ok so I guess that means you don't want to sponsor ClueCon...... What's wrong with it is that is your problem not ours. Our problem is to write a full featured soft switch for free for everyone to use not just you. Wanting to make FreeSWITCH the world's best kept secret is not on our roadmap so we don't rush out to teach everyone how to hide it but if you look hard enough you'll probably figure it out. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Ken Fulmer < kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
We have competitors using vendor solutions that are expensive as hell. So, we are trying to counter with a less expensive but powerful solution. What exactly is wrong with that? And what is wrong with trying to extend the barrier to entry for our competitors as long as possible? Not sure why there's such a mystery here...
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Michael Giagnocavo Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:39 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
Wait, so your "competition" can't figure out to use FreeSWITCH, yet they are still competition? I mean, you got people sitting around going "hmm how can bet beat Ken, damn we can't- -- OH FREESWITCH NOW I GET IT!!!"?
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Ken Fulmer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:48 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
Very true. We're just trying to stay one step ahead of the local competition.
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Kielhofner Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:37 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
While I understand the request:
1) They are going to find out anyway. 2) You are posting to FreeSWITCH-users using (presumably) your real name and corporate e-mail address.
If you were looking to hide FreeSWITCH it's a little too late.
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
It's not meant to be offensive or anything. We'd just like to ensure the competition doesn't know what we're doing for as long as possible. That's all.
Ken
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Sorry if I came across harshly toward the group. My response was meant for the following remark: "Wait, so your "competition" can't figure out to use FreeSWITCH, yet they are still competition? I mean, you got people sitting around going "hmm how can bet beat Ken, damn we can't- -- OH FREESWITCH NOW I GET IT!!!"?" I was merely trying to ask a question to see if it's possible. I didn't mean to cause a problem on this user list. Ken From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Minessale Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:08 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP Ok so I guess that means you don't want to sponsor ClueCon...... What's wrong with it is that is your problem not ours. Our problem is to write a full featured soft switch for free for everyone to use not just you. Wanting to make FreeSWITCH the world's best kept secret is not on our roadmap so we don't rush out to teach everyone how to hide it but if you look hard enough you'll probably figure it out. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote: We have competitors using vendor solutions that are expensive as hell. So, we are trying to counter with a less expensive but powerful solution. What exactly is wrong with that? And what is wrong with trying to extend the barrier to entry for our competitors as long as possible? Not sure why there's such a mystery here... -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Michael Giagnocavo Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:39 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP Wait, so your "competition" can't figure out to use FreeSWITCH, yet they are still competition? I mean, you got people sitting around going "hmm how can bet beat Ken, damn we can't- -- OH FREESWITCH NOW I GET IT!!!"? -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Ken Fulmer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:48 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP Very true. We're just trying to stay one step ahead of the local competition. -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Kielhofner Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:37 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP While I understand the request: 1) They are going to find out anyway. 2) You are posting to FreeSWITCH-users using (presumably) your real name and corporate e-mail address. If you were looking to hide FreeSWITCH it's a little too late. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
It's not meant to be offensive or anything. We'd just like to ensure the competition doesn't know what we're doing for as long as possible. That's all.
Ken
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And I'm merely poking fun at the concept of competitors serious enough to pose a threat, yet dumb enough not to know how to use Google. Honestly, if your competition is sitting there saying "oh well, I guess we gotta dish out half a mil for NexTone" and the only thing that changes their mind is "oh wow, we saw the SDP of Ken's company and it says freeswitch - yey, we can save tons of money!" - well that's some funny competitors and I can't see them posing any threat regardless if you gave them all your secrets. -Michael From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Ken Fulmer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:34 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP Sorry if I came across harshly toward the group. My response was meant for the following remark: "Wait, so your "competition" can't figure out to use FreeSWITCH, yet they are still competition? I mean, you got people sitting around going "hmm how can bet beat Ken, damn we can't- -- OH FREESWITCH NOW I GET IT!!!"?" I was merely trying to ask a question to see if it's possible. I didn't mean to cause a problem on this user list. Ken From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Minessale Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:08 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP Ok so I guess that means you don't want to sponsor ClueCon...... What's wrong with it is that is your problem not ours. Our problem is to write a full featured soft switch for free for everyone to use not just you. Wanting to make FreeSWITCH the world's best kept secret is not on our roadmap so we don't rush out to teach everyone how to hide it but if you look hard enough you'll probably figure it out. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com<mailto:kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com>> wrote: We have competitors using vendor solutions that are expensive as hell. So, we are trying to counter with a less expensive but powerful solution. What exactly is wrong with that? And what is wrong with trying to extend the barrier to entry for our competitors as long as possible? Not sure why there's such a mystery here... -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org<mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org> [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org<mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org>] On Behalf Of Michael Giagnocavo Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:39 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org<mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP Wait, so your "competition" can't figure out to use FreeSWITCH, yet they are still competition? I mean, you got people sitting around going "hmm how can bet beat Ken, damn we can't- -- OH FREESWITCH NOW I GET IT!!!"? -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org<mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org> [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org<mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org>] On Behalf Of Ken Fulmer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:48 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org<mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP Very true. We're just trying to stay one step ahead of the local competition. -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org<mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org> [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org<mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org>] On Behalf Of Kristian Kielhofner Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:37 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org<mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP While I understand the request: 1) They are going to find out anyway. 2) You are posting to FreeSWITCH-users using (presumably) your real name and corporate e-mail address. If you were looking to hide FreeSWITCH it's a little too late. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com<mailto:kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com>> wrote:
It's not meant to be offensive or anything. We'd just like to ensure the competition doesn't know what we're doing for as long as possible. That's all.
Ken
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I can see your point. They probably won't be churning out new Freeswitch systems anytime soon, regardless of what we're doing / not doing. Ken From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Michael Giagnocavo Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:06 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP And I'm merely poking fun at the concept of competitors serious enough to pose a threat, yet dumb enough not to know how to use Google. Honestly, if your competition is sitting there saying "oh well, I guess we gotta dish out half a mil for NexTone" and the only thing that changes their mind is "oh wow, we saw the SDP of Ken's company and it says freeswitch - yey, we can save tons of money!" - well that's some funny competitors and I can't see them posing any threat regardless if you gave them all your secrets. -Michael From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Ken Fulmer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:34 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP Sorry if I came across harshly toward the group. My response was meant for the following remark: "Wait, so your "competition" can't figure out to use FreeSWITCH, yet they are still competition? I mean, you got people sitting around going "hmm how can bet beat Ken, damn we can't- -- OH FREESWITCH NOW I GET IT!!!"?" I was merely trying to ask a question to see if it's possible. I didn't mean to cause a problem on this user list. Ken From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Minessale Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:08 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP Ok so I guess that means you don't want to sponsor ClueCon...... What's wrong with it is that is your problem not ours. Our problem is to write a full featured soft switch for free for everyone to use not just you. Wanting to make FreeSWITCH the world's best kept secret is not on our roadmap so we don't rush out to teach everyone how to hide it but if you look hard enough you'll probably figure it out. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote: We have competitors using vendor solutions that are expensive as hell. So, we are trying to counter with a less expensive but powerful solution. What exactly is wrong with that? And what is wrong with trying to extend the barrier to entry for our competitors as long as possible? Not sure why there's such a mystery here... -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Michael Giagnocavo Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:39 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP Wait, so your "competition" can't figure out to use FreeSWITCH, yet they are still competition? I mean, you got people sitting around going "hmm how can bet beat Ken, damn we can't- -- OH FREESWITCH NOW I GET IT!!!"? -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Ken Fulmer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:48 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP Very true. We're just trying to stay one step ahead of the local competition. -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Kielhofner Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:37 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP While I understand the request: 1) They are going to find out anyway. 2) You are posting to FreeSWITCH-users using (presumably) your real name and corporate e-mail address. If you were looking to hide FreeSWITCH it's a little too late. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
It's not meant to be offensive or anything. We'd just like to ensure the competition doesn't know what we're doing for as long as possible. That's all.
Ken
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There is a point to hiding the UA. Recently a system I developed based on you know what, was triggering a crash in a provider's system after a few calls were made. It would all come to halt. Their UA used their company's name and it was only later I realized that it was 'YKW. In such a case no one could claim that it was because they were using 'YKW' that their system was so unstable. They did upgrade their system to the latest version of 'YKW' and the problem went away. I also made some changes in my systems NATing. To date I don't know whether the change I made stopped triggering the crashing, or whether it the upgrade they made that caused it to stop. But I don't think that is what Ken is trying to avoid. The problem is if there are some known interopability issues, hiding the UA name will not help diagnosis. On 27 April 2010 23:35, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
I can see your point. They probably won’t be churning out new Freeswitch systems anytime soon, regardless of what we’re doing / not doing.
Ken
From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Michael Giagnocavo Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:06 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
And I’m merely poking fun at the concept of competitors serious enough to pose a threat, yet dumb enough not to know how to use Google.
Honestly, if your competition is sitting there saying “oh well, I guess we gotta dish out half a mil for NexTone” and the only thing that changes their mind is “oh wow, we saw the SDP of Ken’s company and it says freeswitch – yey, we can save tons of money!” – well that’s some funny competitors and I can’t see them posing any threat regardless if you gave them all your secrets.
-Michael
From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Ken Fulmer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:34 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
Sorry if I came across harshly toward the group. My response was meant for the following remark:
“Wait, so your "competition" can't figure out to use FreeSWITCH, yet they are still competition? I mean, you got people sitting around going "hmm how can bet beat Ken, damn we can't- -- OH FREESWITCH NOW I GET IT!!!"?”
I was merely trying to ask a question to see if it’s possible. I didn’t mean to cause a problem on this user list.
Ken
From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Minessale Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:08 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
Ok so I guess that means you don't want to sponsor ClueCon......
What's wrong with it is that is your problem not ours.
Our problem is to write a full featured soft switch for free for everyone to use not just you.
Wanting to make FreeSWITCH the world's best kept secret is not on our roadmap so we don't rush out to teach everyone how to hide it but if you look hard enough you'll probably figure it out.
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
We have competitors using vendor solutions that are expensive as hell. So, we are trying to counter with a less expensive but powerful solution. What exactly is wrong with that? And what is wrong with trying to extend the barrier to entry for our competitors as long as possible? Not sure why there's such a mystery here...
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org
[mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Michael Giagnocavo Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:39 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
Wait, so your "competition" can't figure out to use FreeSWITCH, yet they are still competition? I mean, you got people sitting around going "hmm how can bet beat Ken, damn we can't- -- OH FREESWITCH NOW I GET IT!!!"?
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Ken Fulmer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:48 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
Very true. We're just trying to stay one step ahead of the local competition.
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Kielhofner Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:37 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
While I understand the request:
1) They are going to find out anyway. 2) You are posting to FreeSWITCH-users using (presumably) your real name and corporate e-mail address.
If you were looking to hide FreeSWITCH it's a little too late.
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
It's not meant to be offensive or anything. We'd just like to ensure the competition doesn't know what we're doing for as long as possible. That's all.
Ken
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It's worse than that, we have a bunch of code that enables special behavior when freeswitch talks to itself or to other known broken devices. You break that capability by changing this information. Mike On Apr 27, 2010, at 9:21 PM, Frank Church wrote:
There is a point to hiding the UA. Recently a system I developed based on you know what, was triggering a crash in a provider's system after a few calls were made. It would all come to halt. Their UA used their company's name and it was only later I realized that it was 'YKW.
In such a case no one could claim that it was because they were using 'YKW' that their system was so unstable. They did upgrade their system to the latest version of 'YKW' and the problem went away. I also made some changes in my systems NATing. To date I don't know whether the change I made stopped triggering the crashing, or whether it the upgrade they made that caused it to stop.
But I don't think that is what Ken is trying to avoid.
The problem is if there are some known interopability issues, hiding the UA name will not help diagnosis.
On 27 April 2010 23:35, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
I can see your point. They probably won’t be churning out new Freeswitch systems anytime soon, regardless of what we’re doing / not doing.
Ken
From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Michael Giagnocavo Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:06 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
And I’m merely poking fun at the concept of competitors serious enough to pose a threat, yet dumb enough not to know how to use Google.
Honestly, if your competition is sitting there saying “oh well, I guess we gotta dish out half a mil for NexTone” and the only thing that changes their mind is “oh wow, we saw the SDP of Ken’s company and it says freeswitch – yey, we can save tons of money!” – well that’s some funny competitors and I can’t see them posing any threat regardless if you gave them all your secrets.
-Michael
From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Ken Fulmer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:34 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
Sorry if I came across harshly toward the group. My response was meant for the following remark:
“Wait, so your "competition" can't figure out to use FreeSWITCH, yet they are still competition? I mean, you got people sitting around going "hmm how can bet beat Ken, damn we can't- -- OH FREESWITCH NOW I GET IT!!!"?”
I was merely trying to ask a question to see if it’s possible. I didn’t mean to cause a problem on this user list.
Ken
From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Minessale Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:08 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
Ok so I guess that means you don't want to sponsor ClueCon......
What's wrong with it is that is your problem not ours.
Our problem is to write a full featured soft switch for free for everyone to use not just you.
Wanting to make FreeSWITCH the world's best kept secret is not on our roadmap so we don't rush out to teach everyone how to hide it but if you look hard enough you'll probably figure it out.
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
We have competitors using vendor solutions that are expensive as hell. So, we are trying to counter with a less expensive but powerful solution. What exactly is wrong with that? And what is wrong with trying to extend the barrier to entry for our competitors as long as possible? Not sure why there's such a mystery here...
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org
[mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Michael Giagnocavo Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:39 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
Wait, so your "competition" can't figure out to use FreeSWITCH, yet they are still competition? I mean, you got people sitting around going "hmm how can bet beat Ken, damn we can't- -- OH FREESWITCH NOW I GET IT!!!"?
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Ken Fulmer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:48 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
Very true. We're just trying to stay one step ahead of the local competition.
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Kielhofner Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:37 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
While I understand the request:
1) They are going to find out anyway. 2) You are posting to FreeSWITCH-users using (presumably) your real name and corporate e-mail address.
If you were looking to hide FreeSWITCH it's a little too late.
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
It's not meant to be offensive or anything. We'd just like to ensure the competition doesn't know what we're doing for as long as possible. That's all.
Ken
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He already changed the UA name he wants to change the media name in the SDP too. We have huge problems with Sonus. We managed to fix it by detecting it was a Sonus in the SDP. Some providers changed the SDP and all the bugs came back. That is something to avoid by leaving the SDP alone. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Frank Church <vfclists@googlemail.com>wrote:
There is a point to hiding the UA. Recently a system I developed based on you know what, was triggering a crash in a provider's system after a few calls were made. It would all come to halt. Their UA used their company's name and it was only later I realized that it was 'YKW.
In such a case no one could claim that it was because they were using 'YKW' that their system was so unstable. They did upgrade their system to the latest version of 'YKW' and the problem went away. I also made some changes in my systems NATing. To date I don't know whether the change I made stopped triggering the crashing, or whether it the upgrade they made that caused it to stop.
But I don't think that is what Ken is trying to avoid.
The problem is if there are some known interopability issues, hiding the UA name will not help diagnosis.
On 27 April 2010 23:35, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
I can see your point. They probably won’t be churning out new Freeswitch systems anytime soon, regardless of what we’re doing / not doing.
Ken
From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Michael Giagnocavo Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:06 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
And I’m merely poking fun at the concept of competitors serious enough to pose a threat, yet dumb enough not to know how to use Google.
Honestly, if your competition is sitting there saying “oh well, I guess we gotta dish out half a mil for NexTone” and the only thing that changes their mind is “oh wow, we saw the SDP of Ken’s company and it says freeswitch – yey, we can save tons of money!” – well that’s some funny competitors and I can’t see them posing any threat regardless if you gave them all your secrets.
-Michael
From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Ken Fulmer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:34 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
Sorry if I came across harshly toward the group. My response was meant for the following remark:
“Wait, so your "competition" can't figure out to use FreeSWITCH, yet they are still competition? I mean, you got people sitting around going "hmm how can bet beat Ken, damn we can't- -- OH FREESWITCH NOW I GET IT!!!"?”
I was merely trying to ask a question to see if it’s possible. I didn’t mean to cause a problem on this user list.
Ken
From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Minessale Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:08 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
Ok so I guess that means you don't want to sponsor ClueCon......
What's wrong with it is that is your problem not ours.
Our problem is to write a full featured soft switch for free for everyone to use not just you.
Wanting to make FreeSWITCH the world's best kept secret is not on our roadmap so we don't rush out to teach everyone how to hide it but if you look hard enough you'll probably figure it out.
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
We have competitors using vendor solutions that are expensive as hell. So, we are trying to counter with a less expensive but powerful solution. What exactly is wrong with that? And what is wrong with trying to extend the barrier to entry for our competitors as long as possible? Not sure why there's such a mystery here...
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org
[mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Michael Giagnocavo Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:39 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
Wait, so your "competition" can't figure out to use FreeSWITCH, yet they are still competition? I mean, you got people sitting around going "hmm how can bet beat Ken, damn we can't- -- OH FREESWITCH NOW I GET IT!!!"?
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Ken Fulmer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:48 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
Very true. We're just trying to stay one step ahead of the local competition.
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Kielhofner Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:37 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
While I understand the request:
1) They are going to find out anyway. 2) You are posting to FreeSWITCH-users using (presumably) your real name and corporate e-mail address.
If you were looking to hide FreeSWITCH it's a little too late.
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
It's not meant to be offensive or anything. We'd just like to ensure the competition doesn't know what we're doing for as long as possible. That's all.
Ken
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Ken, You'll find in many technical communities (this is certainly one of them) people are usually more interested in the "why" behind a question than the question itself. This is certainly one of those cases. You'll noticed no one (myself included) responded with anything constructive. While I can see how that is frustrating I'll try to explain where this comes from. It would certainly seem more efficient to just answer individual questions as quickly and succinctly as possible: Q: "How do I change FreeSWITCH in the SDP?" A: "Edit line xxx in mod_sofia.c" (or whatever)." The problem is this direct question/answer model often causes behavior undesired by the person asking the question. In this case, it's quite likely you'd come back to the list in a couple of weeks with something like: Q: "When calling device XXX from manufacturer YYY I'm experiencing the following strange audio problems..." Unless the list regulars happen to remember who you are and your previous question about modifying the SDP it might not be immediately obvious that your problem is caused by your previous source code modification. A SIP trace showing the modified SDP may give some hints but it's unlikely that would be obvious as the source of your audio problems. This would cause you unnecessary strife and probably bewilder more than a few list participants. The "veterans" Michael referred to have seen this play out time and time again. They (I'm not assigning myself any titles) know enough to ALWAYS ask more questions. They've seen platforms (FreeSWITCH included) modify their behavior based on the remote endpoint (whether identified by SIP User Agent or SDP origin). We're lucky they are around to share all of their experience and beat us up when we get these crazy ideas in our heads ;). On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
Sorry if I came across harshly toward the group. My response was meant for the following remark:
“Wait, so your "competition" can't figure out to use FreeSWITCH, yet they are still competition? I mean, you got people sitting around going "hmm how can bet beat Ken, damn we can't- -- OH FREESWITCH NOW I GET IT!!!"?”
I was merely trying to ask a question to see if it’s possible. I didn’t mean to cause a problem on this user list.
Ken
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On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Ken Fulmer < kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
We have competitors using vendor solutions that are expensive as hell. So, we are trying to counter with a less expensive but powerful solution. What exactly is wrong with that? And what is wrong with trying to extend the barrier to entry for our competitors as long as possible? Not sure why there's such a mystery here...
No mystery, just a question of whether masking your UA in the SDP will have a net positive effect. The guys who've chimed in on this thread are battle-hardened veterans of the VoIP business. If they felt that messing with the SDP could reasonably give you a competitive edge then they'd tell you how to do it. You are not at all the first person to ask about this. People tried this years ago in Asterisk, and AFAICT the ROI was near zero or worse - things stopped working and people had to waste time/money/energy chasing down SIP interop issues. That all being said, no one here will try to stop you from trying. Just be prepared to go it alone because most of the experts here really aren't interested in helping people do things that could have such a potentially negative impact on their systems. -MC
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Michael Giagnocavo Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:39 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
Wait, so your "competition" can't figure out to use FreeSWITCH, yet they are still competition? I mean, you got people sitting around going "hmm how can bet beat Ken, damn we can't- -- OH FREESWITCH NOW I GET IT!!!"?
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Ken Fulmer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:48 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
Very true. We're just trying to stay one step ahead of the local competition.
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Kielhofner Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:37 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Replace "Freeswitch" in SDP
While I understand the request:
1) They are going to find out anyway. 2) You are posting to FreeSWITCH-users using (presumably) your real name and corporate e-mail address.
If you were looking to hide FreeSWITCH it's a little too late.
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Ken Fulmer <kenfulmer@icstechnologysolutions.com> wrote:
It's not meant to be offensive or anything. We'd just like to ensure the competition doesn't know what we're doing for as long as possible. That's all.
Ken
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As far as I know, you can't. You would need to patch the source and recompile. David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr - www.ipeva-studio.com Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur. Le 27/04/2010 à 17:02, Ken Fulmer a écrit :
This is a trivial request but here goes:
We are using the User Agent parameter to replace the name “Freeswitch” with our company name in the SIP header. How can we do the same in the SDP?
Thanks,
Ken Fulmer
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Messing with SDP like that is not wise since it makes it harder for media devices to recognize each other. Do you have a particular reason to hide in the FS closet? 2010/4/27 David Ponzone <david.ponzone@gmail.com>
As far as I know, you can't. You would need to patch the source and recompile.
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Le 27/04/2010 à 17:02, Ken Fulmer a écrit :
This is a trivial request but here goes:
We are using the User Agent parameter to replace the name “Freeswitch” with our company name in the SIP header. How can we do the same in the SDP?
Thanks,
Ken Fulmer
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Anthony Minessale
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Michael Giagnocavo
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