Hi, I' trying to use FS as a softphone, because it seems to be the only SIP UA, with up-to-date and full CELT support (thanks for that, great work!) But I'm really struggling with my audio config. I'm using Ubuntu 10.10, x86 with Gnome -> Pulseaudio. 1. mod_alsa simply segfaults immediately after receiving a call 'application="bridge" data="alsa"' or 'alsa call 123' from the console 2. I am running FS on two different computers. One, which is upgraded from earlier times, portaudio works ok (not perfect, but I think that are Alsa related issues). Another computer, with a fresh 10.10 install, mod_portaudio can not find any audio devices. mod_portaudio.so links libasound, so I assume that Alsa is included. aplay -L lists available devices: pulse Playback/recording through the PulseAudio sound server front:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 HDA NVidia, ALC889A Analog Front speakers ... Any ideas what is missing here? 3. Has the portaudio lib, which included with FS, the PA 'dmix patch' applied? http://www.portaudio.com/trac/ticket/31 4. Has anyone started to build mod_pulseaudio ? I know, there are latency issues, but we are talking about VoIP with codec with frame sizes of 10ms and more.. Portaudio is really not the first choice for sound APIs on Linux anymore... 5. Same config, using CELT on Windows, I get noise glitches every second when calling an FS server, answering with the echo app. They are very regular, so it's maybe a sample rate issue somewhere in the path... Thanks for any hints. Frank
Same config under windows with celt - what are you using? if fs are you using git head? -- View this message in context: http://freeswitch-users.2379917.n2.nabble.com/PA-and-ALSA-tp6165168p6165240.... Sent from the freeswitch-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
On 03/13/2011 12:34 AM, Jeff Lenk wrote:
Same config under windows with celt - what are you using? if fs are you using git head?
Ok, did some more debugging. Seems like the "codec-ms" setting is causing trouble. Once the 'pa looptest' works fine, the echo test has no regular glitches. Only irregular dropouts (every 1-2 seconds). I will now try with a second computer and with a LAN connection, to make sure that are no lost packets while passing the internet. (I'm using http://files.freeswitch.org/windows/installer/x86/freeswitch.msi, and fs/git-trunk/celt-0.10 on all systems) But anyway, using windows is only my fallback option. Would be nice to get it running on Linux. Interestingly, 'Audacity', which is based on portaudio, too, finds all my Alsa devices, where FS refuses to load mod_portaudio. Anyone out there using mod_alsa? Or mod_portaudio with a newer Linux distri? Frank
On 03/12/2011 11:38 PM, Frank Rosengart wrote:
2. mod_portaudio can not find any audio devices. 3. Has the portaudio lib, which included with FS, the PA 'dmix patch' 4. Has anyone started to build mod_pulseaudio ?
Got it! I have replaced the libs/portaudio with the daily v19-snapshot from http://www.portaudio.com/download.html and recompiled everything. Now I can even use Pulseaudio! pa looptest runs fine. Frank
FS developers' idea to include open source third party libraries to FS source distribution is a very bad idea... On Sunday 13 March 2011 17:14:41 Frank Rosengart wrote:
On 03/12/2011 11:38 PM, Frank Rosengart wrote:
2. mod_portaudio can not find any audio devices. 3. Has the portaudio lib, which included with FS, the PA 'dmix patch' 4. Has anyone started to build mod_pulseaudio ?
Got it! I have replaced the libs/portaudio with the daily v19-snapshot from http://www.portaudio.com/download.html and recompiled everything.
Now I can even use Pulseaudio! pa looptest runs fine.
Frank
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That's what you think which you are welcome to do. Maybe when you build your own cross platform application I can visit your mailing list and disparage YOUR policies too.... On Mar 13, 2011 4:24 PM, "Sergey Okhapkin" <sos@sokhapkin.dyndns.org> wrote:
FS developers' idea to include open source third party libraries to FS source distribution is a very bad idea...
On Sunday 13 March 2011 17:14:41 Frank Rosengart wrote:
On 03/12/2011 11:38 PM, Frank Rosengart wrote:
2. mod_portaudio can not find any audio devices. 3. Has the portaudio lib, which included with FS, the PA 'dmix patch' 4. Has anyone started to build mod_pulseaudio ?
Got it! I have replaced the libs/portaudio with the daily v19-snapshot from http://www.portaudio.com/download.html and recompiled everything.
Now I can even use Pulseaudio! pa looptest runs fine.
Frank
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The attempt to isolate core FS code from third party libraries has been done by gentoo linux team already (inclusion of third party open source code is strictly against gentoo philosophy), but the attempt has been abandoned because of lack of support from upstream. On Sunday 13 March 2011 19:05:17 Jeff Lenk wrote:
I'm sure there were very good reasons for these decisions when they were made. So rather than criticizing those decisions why not help by finding the problems and submitting patches to fix them.
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2 things to keep in mind. 1 Try to wrap your head around making a stable application that runs on windows, unix including mac and some bsd, and unix-like distros such as those mentioned. Not all of our dependancies are stable on all of those platforms or even easily available in some cases. 2 This is a community project, if some versions of libraries we are using are older maybe they have been working fine or the modules are not used enough to warrant attention. The normal process would be: The guy reports a problem and suggests its fixed in a newer version. Now try this code on every supported platform and make sure it works across the board, if not, well, we can't blindly add it. All of this can be done without the ungrateful cracks and side stories about gentoo and we can happily update the code. I don't go to gentoo forum and complain that custom patching the kernel and libc annoys me or about how I am not interested in being forced into their religion to have my software in their distro even though it does not install any third party libs, FS only static links in bits of code from in tree depends. Furthermore, we constantly invite people to assist with platform and packaging and nobody offers anything but complaints. An example of why we don't just blindly use system libs: The latest sqlite causes 25% loss in performance and guarenteed segfaults and occasional deadlock under load. This is a place where people complain about 1% cpu usage. Alsa mod is specifically for the nokia N800 N810 devices. Stick with pa or help us write something new from scratch and don't forget linux is not alone in the computing world. On Mar 13, 2011 6:22 PM, "Sergey Okhapkin" <sos@sokhapkin.dyndns.org> wrote:
The attempt to isolate core FS code from third party libraries has been
done
by gentoo linux team already (inclusion of third party open source code is strictly against gentoo philosophy), but the attempt has been abandoned because of lack of support from upstream.
On Sunday 13 March 2011 19:05:17 Jeff Lenk wrote:
I'm sure there were very good reasons for these decisions when they were made. So rather than criticizing those decisions why not help by finding the problems and submitting patches to fix them.
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The power of gentoo linux is that ebuild can specify a range of required versions for a third party library. Maybe something can be implemented in FS build script too? Just check a version of the installed third party library in configure script. On Sunday 13 March 2011, Anthony Minessale wrote:
2 things to keep in mind.
1 Try to wrap your head around making a stable application that runs on windows, unix including mac and some bsd, and unix-like distros such as those mentioned. Not all of our dependancies are stable on all of those platforms or even easily available in some cases.
2 This is a community project, if some versions of libraries we are using are older maybe they have been working fine or the modules are not used enough to warrant attention.
The normal process would be:
The guy reports a problem and suggests its fixed in a newer version. Now try this code on every supported platform and make sure it works across the board, if not, well, we can't blindly add it. All of this can be done without the ungrateful cracks and side stories about gentoo and we can happily update the code.
I don't go to gentoo forum and complain that custom patching the kernel and libc annoys me or about how I am not interested in being forced into their religion to have my software in their distro even though it does not install any third party libs, FS only static links in bits of code from in tree depends.
Furthermore, we constantly invite people to assist with platform and packaging and nobody offers anything but complaints.
An example of why we don't just blindly use system libs: The latest sqlite causes 25% loss in performance and guarenteed segfaults and occasional deadlock under load. This is a place where people complain about 1% cpu usage.
Alsa mod is specifically for the nokia N800 N810 devices. Stick with pa or help us write something new from scratch and don't forget linux is not alone in the computing world.
On Mar 13, 2011 6:22 PM, "Sergey Okhapkin" <sos@sokhapkin.dyndns.org> wrote:
The attempt to isolate core FS code from third party libraries has been
done
by gentoo linux team already (inclusion of third party open source code is strictly against gentoo philosophy), but the attempt has been abandoned because of lack of support from upstream.
On Sunday 13 March 2011 19:05:17 Jeff Lenk wrote:
I'm sure there were very good reasons for these decisions when they were made. So rather than criticizing those decisions why not help by finding the problems and submitting patches to fix them.
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Anything is possible if we get patches to make it configurable and our preferences are the default. On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Sergey Okhapkin <sos@sokhapkin.dyndns.org> wrote:
The power of gentoo linux is that ebuild can specify a range of required versions for a third party library. Maybe something can be implemented in FS build script too? Just check a version of the installed third party library in configure script.
On Sunday 13 March 2011, Anthony Minessale wrote:
2 things to keep in mind.
1 Try to wrap your head around making a stable application that runs on windows, unix including mac and some bsd, and unix-like distros such as those mentioned. Not all of our dependancies are stable on all of those platforms or even easily available in some cases.
2 This is a community project, if some versions of libraries we are using are older maybe they have been working fine or the modules are not used enough to warrant attention.
The normal process would be:
The guy reports a problem and suggests its fixed in a newer version. Now try this code on every supported platform and make sure it works across the board, if not, well, we can't blindly add it. All of this can be done without the ungrateful cracks and side stories about gentoo and we can happily update the code.
I don't go to gentoo forum and complain that custom patching the kernel and libc annoys me or about how I am not interested in being forced into their religion to have my software in their distro even though it does not install any third party libs, FS only static links in bits of code from in tree depends.
Furthermore, we constantly invite people to assist with platform and packaging and nobody offers anything but complaints.
An example of why we don't just blindly use system libs: The latest sqlite causes 25% loss in performance and guarenteed segfaults and occasional deadlock under load. This is a place where people complain about 1% cpu usage.
Alsa mod is specifically for the nokia N800 N810 devices. Stick with pa or help us write something new from scratch and don't forget linux is not alone in the computing world.
On Mar 13, 2011 6:22 PM, "Sergey Okhapkin" <sos@sokhapkin.dyndns.org> wrote:
The attempt to isolate core FS code from third party libraries has been
done
by gentoo linux team already (inclusion of third party open source code is strictly against gentoo philosophy), but the attempt has been abandoned because of lack of support from upstream.
On Sunday 13 March 2011 19:05:17 Jeff Lenk wrote:
I'm sure there were very good reasons for these decisions when they were made. So rather than criticizing those decisions why not help by finding the problems and submitting patches to fix them.
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oh and a another thing, Many sound cards can't do 8k, just set it to something higher like 16 32 or 48 and it will downsample it in software to 8k. I will look at latest v19 snapshot. On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Anthony Minessale <anthony.minessale@gmail.com> wrote:
Anything is possible if we get patches to make it configurable and our preferences are the default.
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Sergey Okhapkin <sos@sokhapkin.dyndns.org> wrote:
The power of gentoo linux is that ebuild can specify a range of required versions for a third party library. Maybe something can be implemented in FS build script too? Just check a version of the installed third party library in configure script.
On Sunday 13 March 2011, Anthony Minessale wrote:
2 things to keep in mind.
1 Try to wrap your head around making a stable application that runs on windows, unix including mac and some bsd, and unix-like distros such as those mentioned. Not all of our dependancies are stable on all of those platforms or even easily available in some cases.
2 This is a community project, if some versions of libraries we are using are older maybe they have been working fine or the modules are not used enough to warrant attention.
The normal process would be:
The guy reports a problem and suggests its fixed in a newer version. Now try this code on every supported platform and make sure it works across the board, if not, well, we can't blindly add it. All of this can be done without the ungrateful cracks and side stories about gentoo and we can happily update the code.
I don't go to gentoo forum and complain that custom patching the kernel and libc annoys me or about how I am not interested in being forced into their religion to have my software in their distro even though it does not install any third party libs, FS only static links in bits of code from in tree depends.
Furthermore, we constantly invite people to assist with platform and packaging and nobody offers anything but complaints.
An example of why we don't just blindly use system libs: The latest sqlite causes 25% loss in performance and guarenteed segfaults and occasional deadlock under load. This is a place where people complain about 1% cpu usage.
Alsa mod is specifically for the nokia N800 N810 devices. Stick with pa or help us write something new from scratch and don't forget linux is not alone in the computing world.
On Mar 13, 2011 6:22 PM, "Sergey Okhapkin" <sos@sokhapkin.dyndns.org> wrote:
The attempt to isolate core FS code from third party libraries has been
done
by gentoo linux team already (inclusion of third party open source code is strictly against gentoo philosophy), but the attempt has been abandoned because of lack of support from upstream.
On Sunday 13 March 2011 19:05:17 Jeff Lenk wrote:
I'm sure there were very good reasons for these decisions when they were made. So rather than criticizing those decisions why not help by finding the problems and submitting patches to fix them.
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I am pretty sure this is the same one we are already using. On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Anthony Minessale <anthony.minessale@gmail.com> wrote:
oh and a another thing,
Many sound cards can't do 8k, just set it to something higher like 16 32 or 48 and it will downsample it in software to 8k. I will look at latest v19 snapshot.
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Anthony Minessale <anthony.minessale@gmail.com> wrote:
Anything is possible if we get patches to make it configurable and our preferences are the default.
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Sergey Okhapkin <sos@sokhapkin.dyndns.org> wrote:
The power of gentoo linux is that ebuild can specify a range of required versions for a third party library. Maybe something can be implemented in FS build script too? Just check a version of the installed third party library in configure script.
On Sunday 13 March 2011, Anthony Minessale wrote:
2 things to keep in mind.
1 Try to wrap your head around making a stable application that runs on windows, unix including mac and some bsd, and unix-like distros such as those mentioned. Not all of our dependancies are stable on all of those platforms or even easily available in some cases.
2 This is a community project, if some versions of libraries we are using are older maybe they have been working fine or the modules are not used enough to warrant attention.
The normal process would be:
The guy reports a problem and suggests its fixed in a newer version. Now try this code on every supported platform and make sure it works across the board, if not, well, we can't blindly add it. All of this can be done without the ungrateful cracks and side stories about gentoo and we can happily update the code.
I don't go to gentoo forum and complain that custom patching the kernel and libc annoys me or about how I am not interested in being forced into their religion to have my software in their distro even though it does not install any third party libs, FS only static links in bits of code from in tree depends.
Furthermore, we constantly invite people to assist with platform and packaging and nobody offers anything but complaints.
An example of why we don't just blindly use system libs: The latest sqlite causes 25% loss in performance and guarenteed segfaults and occasional deadlock under load. This is a place where people complain about 1% cpu usage.
Alsa mod is specifically for the nokia N800 N810 devices. Stick with pa or help us write something new from scratch and don't forget linux is not alone in the computing world.
On Mar 13, 2011 6:22 PM, "Sergey Okhapkin" <sos@sokhapkin.dyndns.org> wrote:
The attempt to isolate core FS code from third party libraries has been
done
by gentoo linux team already (inclusion of third party open source code is strictly against gentoo philosophy), but the attempt has been abandoned because of lack of support from upstream.
On Sunday 13 March 2011 19:05:17 Jeff Lenk wrote:
I'm sure there were very good reasons for these decisions when they were made. So rather than criticizing those decisions why not help by finding the problems and submitting patches to fix them.
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On 03/14/2011 12:05 AM, Jeff Lenk wrote:
I'm sure there were very good reasons for these decisions when they were made.
The last release of portaudio dates back to 2007. If FS includes such a vintage version of PA, a hint to linux users on the FS-wiki might be appropiate... Including external libraries is always a trade-off. Is mod_alsa still maintained? Frank
http://bugs.gentoo.org/150527 On Sunday 13 March 2011, Frank Rosengart wrote:
On 03/14/2011 12:05 AM, Jeff Lenk wrote:
I'm sure there were very good reasons for these decisions when they were made.
The last release of portaudio dates back to 2007. If FS includes such a vintage version of PA, a hint to linux users on the FS-wiki might be appropiate...
Including external libraries is always a trade-off.
Is mod_alsa still maintained?
Frank
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I for one am rather grateful that they DID include them. Not everything makes it into the FreeBSD ports tree (I use FreeBSD, not Linux), but I haven't had any problem compiling the required libraries that were included with FreeSWITCH. IT has allowed me to get things like SpanDSP working without too much trouble at all. I tried compiling the SpanDSP source, and it wasn't the right version, or there was some other issue. The FS devs include just what you need to make it work, without messing around somewhere else. -Tim Jeff Lenk wrote:
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Anthony Minessale
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Frank Rosengart
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Jeff Lenk
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Sergey Okhapkin
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Tim St. Pierre