I have built a comparison matrix that will enable me to compare the leading Open Source soft switches. In the attached spread sheet there is a first suggestion of what I think should be compared and relevant weightings and I would be glad to hear your feedback. Regards, Simon
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:20 AM, Simon Shaw <sshaw@interwise.com> wrote:
I have built a comparison matrix that will enable me to compare the leading Open Source soft switches.
In the attached spread sheet there is a first suggestion of what I think should be compared and relevant weightings and I would be glad to hear your feedback.
Regards,
Simon
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Hi Simon, Looks like a good idea to me even though you're going to need to be an expert in each product to be able to fill it in and the experts in this case tend to be a bit biased :). One suggestion I'd have for another row is "Security Fix Rate". For example while the Asterisk community's approach to handling security releases is commendable the rate at which they happen is a real pain when you have to potentially upgrade a production system for each one. Although the pain comes from having to worry about whether the version of Asterisk that you need to upgrade to will be one of the stable or dud versions! Regards, Greyman.
Grey Man wrote: [snip]
One suggestion I'd have for another row is "Security Fix Rate". For example while the Asterisk community's approach to handling security releases is commendable the rate at which they happen is a real pain when you have to potentially upgrade a production system for each one. Although the pain comes from having to worry about whether the version of Asterisk that you need to upgrade to will be one of the stable or dud versions!
I would certainly agree the security is important. Responsiveness to security flaws is one thing. I think another point of valuation would be average bugs per year or month, weighted accordingly (pre-auth remote command execution should have a greater weight than an xss in the built-in web server). Though, that might turn into a whole other book. ;]
Any idea how Iget to these figures? -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of John Skopis (Lists) Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 4:06 AM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Comparison matirx Grey Man wrote: [snip]
One suggestion I'd have for another row is "Security Fix Rate". For example while the Asterisk community's approach to handling security releases is commendable the rate at which they happen is a real pain when you have to potentially upgrade a production system for each one. Although the pain comes from having to worry about whether the version of Asterisk that you need to upgrade to will be one of the stable or dud versions!
I would certainly agree the security is important. Responsiveness to security flaws is one thing. I think another point of valuation would be average bugs per year or month, weighted accordingly (pre-auth remote command execution should have a greater weight than an xss in the built-in web server). Though, that might turn into a whole other book. ;] _______________________________________________ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
I don't think any of the bugs that were posted were posted as security risks, but with hundreds of bugs fixed, I am sure that some were remotely exploitable. I will try to do a better job marking them in changelog in future versions. Mike On Aug 3, 2008, at 2:37 PM, John Skopis (Lists) wrote:
Simon Shaw wrote:
Any idea how Iget to these figures?
osvdb.org, though as of now FreeSWITCH has zero vulnerabilities disclosed. Maybe Brian will tell you how many security fixes have been added post 1.0.
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Excellent and important initiative, IMHO. I believe FreeSWITCH have sufficient objective advantages compared to not only open-source solutions, but commercial ones as well. I think that it can stand out even in a non-biased matrix. Take a look at these comparisons as a reference: http://www.voip-news.com/whitepaper/voip-ip-pbx-comparison/ http://www.networkworld.com/buyersguides/guide.php?cat=877966&pcw_bg=&mt=com pare http://coreg.tmginteractive.com/display/FullPage/Campaign943/OpenWhitePaper. aspx But it all depends on the purpose of the matrix in the first place. Just a thought. -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of John Skopis (Lists) Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:06 AM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Comparison matirx Grey Man wrote: [snip]
One suggestion I'd have for another row is "Security Fix Rate". For example while the Asterisk community's approach to handling security releases is commendable the rate at which they happen is a real pain when you have to potentially upgrade a production system for each one. Although the pain comes from having to worry about whether the version of Asterisk that you need to upgrade to will be one of the stable or dud versions!
I would certainly agree the security is important. Responsiveness to security flaws is one thing. I think another point of valuation would be average bugs per year or month, weighted accordingly (pre-auth remote command execution should have a greater weight than an xss in the built-in web server). Though, that might turn into a whole other book. ;] _______________________________________________ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1586 - Release Date: 01/08/2008 18:59 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1587 - Release Date: 02/08/2008 17:30
Hi Simon, Though i hold the view that freeswitch will be winning hands up in most of categories, except security flaws and fix-around time, since we havent had any security flaws in FS till now...YET its my view that FS shouldnt be brought up for benchmarking against other solutions just yet. SipX and Asterisk have been around since long, and widely adopted, so more n more people can comment about them, but FS ain't seen the light of the day yet...so its too premature to put it in the fighting ring right now. Of course, thats my personal view, and someone can differ. An user base of at least .5 million user base should be enough (of which at least 10% are sort of gurus) would be enough when this matrix can be put up. Cheers!! Ashutosh On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:33 AM, UV <uv@talknet.com.au> wrote:
Excellent and important initiative, IMHO.
I believe FreeSWITCH have sufficient objective advantages compared to not only open-source solutions, but commercial ones as well. I think that it can stand out even in a non-biased matrix.
Take a look at these comparisons as a reference: http://www.voip-news.com/whitepaper/voip-ip-pbx-comparison/
http://www.networkworld.com/buyersguides/guide.php?cat=877966&pcw_bg=&mt=com pare http://coreg.tmginteractive.com/display/FullPage/Campaign943/OpenWhitePaper . aspx
But it all depends on the purpose of the matrix in the first place. Just a thought.
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of John Skopis (Lists) Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:06 AM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Comparison matirx
Grey Man wrote: [snip]
One suggestion I'd have for another row is "Security Fix Rate". For example while the Asterisk community's approach to handling security releases is commendable the rate at which they happen is a real pain when you have to potentially upgrade a production system for each one. Although the pain comes from having to worry about whether the version of Asterisk that you need to upgrade to will be one of the stable or dud versions!
I would certainly agree the security is important. Responsiveness to security flaws is one thing.
I think another point of valuation would be average bugs per year or month, weighted accordingly (pre-auth remote command execution should have a greater weight than an xss in the built-in web server).
Though, that might turn into a whole other book. ;]
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We have had fix turn around times as low as 30 seconds. You must not hang out in IRC or are very new to the project! ;) /b Sent from my iPhone On Aug 3, 2008, at 3:46 AM, Ashutosh <ashutosh.kumars@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Simon, Though i hold the view that freeswitch will be winning hands up in most of categories, except security flaws and fix-around time, since we havent had any security flaws in FS till now...YET its my view that FS shouldnt be brought up for benchmarking against other solutions just yet. SipX and Asterisk have been around since long, and widely adopted, so more n more people can comment about them, but FS ain't seen the light of the day yet...so its too premature to put it in the fighting ring right now.
Of course, thats my personal view, and someone can differ.
An user base of at least .5 million user base should be enough (of which at least 10% are sort of gurus) would be enough when this matrix can be put up.
Cheers!! Ashutosh
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:33 AM, UV <uv@talknet.com.au> wrote: Excellent and important initiative, IMHO.
I believe FreeSWITCH have sufficient objective advantages compared to not only open-source solutions, but commercial ones as well. I think that it can stand out even in a non-biased matrix.
Take a look at these comparisons as a reference: http://www.voip-news.com/whitepaper/voip-ip-pbx-comparison/ http://www.networkworld.com/buyersguides/guide.php?cat=877966&pcw_bg=&mt=com pare http://coreg.tmginteractive.com/display/FullPage/Campaign943/OpenWhitePaper . aspx
But it all depends on the purpose of the matrix in the first place. Just a thought.
-----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of John Skopis (Lists) Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:06 AM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Comparison matirx
Grey Man wrote: [snip]
One suggestion I'd have for another row is "Security Fix Rate". For example while the Asterisk community's approach to handling security releases is commendable the rate at which they happen is a real pain when you have to potentially upgrade a production system for each one. Although the pain comes from having to worry about whether the version of Asterisk that you need to upgrade to will be one of the stable or dud versions!
I would certainly agree the security is important. Responsiveness to security flaws is one thing.
I think another point of valuation would be average bugs per year or month, weighted accordingly (pre-auth remote command execution should have a greater weight than an xss in the built-in web server).
Though, that might turn into a whole other book. ;]
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Grey Man wrote:
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:20 AM, Simon Shaw <sshaw@interwise.com> wrote:
I have built a comparison matrix that will enable me to compare the leading Open Source soft switches.
In the attached spread sheet there is a first suggestion of what I think should be compared and relevant weightings and I would be glad to hear your feedback.
Regards,
Simon
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Hi Simon,
Looks like a good idea to me even though you're going to need to be an expert in each product to be able to fill it in and the experts in this case tend to be a bit biased :).
One suggestion I'd have for another row is "Security Fix Rate". For example while the Asterisk community's approach to handling security releases is commendable the rate at which they happen is a real pain when you have to potentially upgrade a production system for each one. Although the pain comes from having to worry about whether the version of Asterisk that you need to upgrade to will be one of the stable or dud versions!
I think measures of non-security bug fix responsiveness are fine. Everyone ships with bugs, even if some ship with far more than others. Responsive in dealing with those bugs is probably as important as their frequency. Security related bug responsiveness is quite another issue. Do you realise the guy that wrote qmail has been soooo unresponsive that he has never posted a security fix since the original 1.0 release was shipped? It has been one of qmail's strongest attractions. :-) Steve
On 08/03/08 16:00, Steve Underwood wrote:
Grey Man wrote:
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:20 AM, Simon Shaw <sshaw@interwise.com> wrote:
I have built a comparison matrix that will enable me to compare the leading Open Source soft switches.
In the attached spread sheet there is a first suggestion of what I think should be compared and relevant weightings and I would be glad to hear your feedback.
Regards,
Simon
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Hi Simon,
Looks like a good idea to me even though you're going to need to be an expert in each product to be able to fill it in and the experts in this case tend to be a bit biased :).
One suggestion I'd have for another row is "Security Fix Rate". For example while the Asterisk community's approach to handling security releases is commendable the rate at which they happen is a real pain when you have to potentially upgrade a production system for each one. Although the pain comes from having to worry about whether the version of Asterisk that you need to upgrade to will be one of the stable or dud versions!
I think measures of non-security bug fix responsiveness are fine. Everyone ships with bugs, even if some ship with far more than others. Responsive in dealing with those bugs is probably as important as their frequency.
This looks more like ranking the developer rather than the project. Based on application architecture, could be hard to classify critical/non-critical bugs. All projects tend to have now a small, stable core part and move the features in the modules, to protect from changes which are not under strict control. Over some time, when a project becomes significant big, the rate of the bugs could increase as contributions grow. However, if they don't affect the core and base modules,the relevance is interpretable. Cheers, Daniel
Security related bug responsiveness is quite another issue. Do you realise the guy that wrote qmail has been soooo unresponsive that he has never posted a security fix since the original 1.0 release was shipped? It has been one of qmail's strongest attractions. :-)
Steve
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You should consider adding every core open source VoIP app you can find, For starters: CallWeaver Bayonne YATE sipX Asterisk FreeSWITCH OpenSER It would be nice to see a non-biased comparison that would address the "right-tool-for-the=job" question often raised. As far as biased, I usually answer "Shoud I use FreeSWITCH?", "no, if you don't know if or why you need it then don't use it." =D On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Simon Shaw <sshaw@interwise.com> wrote:
I have built a comparison matrix that will enable me to compare the leading Open Source soft switches.
In the attached spread sheet there is a first suggestion of what I think should be compared and relevant weightings and I would be glad to hear your feedback.
Regards,
Simon
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I think focusing on just the open source projects may be missing the mark. I would be much more interested in a more detailed feature, performance, and other metrics comparison between open source and the commercial products in the same market segments (ip PBX, call center, sbc and soft switch). Remember that open source remains a very small segment of the market as a whole and the real competition is with the incumbent commercial providers, not between open source. Mike On Aug 3, 2008, at 10:43, "Anthony Minessale" <anthony.minessale@gmail.com
wrote:
You should consider adding every core open source VoIP app you can find,
For starters: CallWeaver Bayonne YATE sipX Asterisk FreeSWITCH OpenSER
It would be nice to see a non-biased comparison that would address the "right-tool-for-the=job" question often raised. As far as biased, I usually answer "Shoud I use FreeSWITCH?", "no, if you don't know if or why you need it then don't use it." =D
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Simon Shaw <sshaw@interwise.com> wrote: I have built a comparison matrix that will enable me to compare the leading Open Source soft switches.
In the attached spread sheet there is a first suggestion of what I think should be compared and relevant weightings and I would be glad to hear your feedback.
Regards,
Simon
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I agree with you that it would be nice build a matrix for all these projects, however for the first stage I am trying to build a list of parameters to compare, which could then be used by anybody to compare and contrast whatever projects they see fit. While it would be nice to compare every possible feature, I doubt that it would be possible to build such a matrix due to the constant expansion of the feature set for each project, not to mention the features that are similar but don't do exactly the same between the projects. What I would like to achieve with this list of parameters is a methodology that could be used by anybody to make a decision as to which project is the right one for them to jump into. The result will presumably be different depending on where you want to go in the long run. From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Minessale Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 5:44 PM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Comparison matirx You should consider adding every core open source VoIP app you can find, For starters: CallWeaver Bayonne YATE sipX Asterisk FreeSWITCH OpenSER It would be nice to see a non-biased comparison that would address the "right-tool-for-the=job" question often raised. As far as biased, I usually answer "Shoud I use FreeSWITCH?", "no, if you don't know if or why you need it then don't use it." =D On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Simon Shaw <sshaw@interwise.com> wrote: I have built a comparison matrix that will enable me to compare the leading Open Source soft switches. In the attached spread sheet there is a first suggestion of what I think should be compared and relevant weightings and I would be glad to hear your feedback. Regards, Simon _______________________________________________ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org -- Anthony Minessale II FreeSWITCH http://www.freeswitch.org/ ClueCon http://www.cluecon.com/ AIM: anthm MSN:anthony_minessale@hotmail.com <mailto:MSN%3Aanthony_minessale@hotmail.com> GTALK/JABBER/PAYPAL:anthony.minessale@gmail.com <mailto:PAYPAL%3Aanthony.minessale@gmail.com> IRC: irc.freenode.net #freeswitch FreeSWITCH Developer Conference sip:888@conference.freeswitch.org <mailto:sip%3A888@conference.freeswitch.org> iax:guest@conference.freeswitch.org/888 googletalk:conf+888@conference.freeswitch.org <mailto:googletalk%3Aconf%2B888@conference.freeswitch.org> pstn:213-799-1400
As Anthony and MikeJ suggested, first, one has to define the "job" and then compare the projects how they perform. Softswitch might be something very blurred. In the initial matrix are included applications that never claimed to be softswitch. Those metrics can be used to any project and they define more the environment. Apart of IM&P and LDAP, the rest are just general metrics. Their relevance is important but won't conclude which is the best app to be used as SBC, for example. Cheers, Daniel On 08/03/08 19:28, Simon Shaw wrote:
I agree with you that it would be nice build a matrix for all these projects, however for the first stage I am trying to build a list of parameters to compare, which could then be used by anybody to compare and contrast whatever projects they see fit. While it would be nice to compare every possible feature, I doubt that it would be possible to build such a matrix due to the constant expansion of the feature set for each project, not to mention the features that are similar but don't do exactly the same between the projects.
What I would like to achieve with this list of parameters is a methodology that could be used by anybody to make a decision as to which project is the right one for them to jump into. The result will presumably be different depending on where you want to go in the long run.
*From:* freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] *On Behalf Of *Anthony Minessale *Sent:* Sunday, August 03, 2008 5:44 PM *To:* freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org *Subject:* Re: [Freeswitch-users] Comparison matirx
You should consider adding every core open source VoIP app you can find,
For starters: CallWeaver Bayonne YATE sipX Asterisk FreeSWITCH OpenSER
It would be nice to see a non-biased comparison that would address the "right-tool-for-the=job" question often raised. As far as biased, I usually answer "Shoud I use FreeSWITCH?", "no, if you don't know if or why you need it then don't use it." =D
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Simon Shaw <sshaw@interwise.com <mailto:sshaw@interwise.com>> wrote:
I have built a comparison matrix that will enable me to compare the leading Open Source soft switches.
In the attached spread sheet there is a first suggestion of what I think should be compared and relevant weightings and I would be glad to hear your feedback.
Regards,
Simon
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participants (10)
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Anthony Minessale
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Ashutosh
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Brian West
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Daniel-Constantin Mierla
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Grey Man
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John Skopis (Lists)
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Michael Jerris
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Simon Shaw
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Steve Underwood
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UV