Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Wikipedia Article
If they want history this article which was published in the first issue of Open Source Telephony Magazine. http://www.freeswitch.org/node/60 It was authored by me mostly because It's my account of why I started the project. I don't see how anyone is going to learn anything about FreeSWITCH and make it into a notable article without asking me. I can write a book about it, have it published and if everyone learns about it from that book it's the same issue. If they are willing to have entries for any open source software they should have separate rules for how they are presented or not have any on their site. Anthony Minessale II FreeSWITCH http://www.freeswitch.org/ ClueCon http://www.cluecon.com/ AIM: anthm MSN:anthony_minessale@hotmail.com GTALK/JABBER/PAYPAL:anthony.minessale@gmail.com IRC: irc.freenode.net #freeswitch FreeSWITCH Developer Conference sip:888@conference.freeswitch.org iax:guest@conference.freeswitch.org/888 googletalk:conf+888@conference.freeswitch.org pstn:213-799-1400 ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Collins <mcollins@fcnetwork.com> To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2007 11:07:54 AM Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Wikipedia Article <!-- _filtered {font-family:Wingdings;panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;} _filtered {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {font-family:Arial;color:navy;} span.EmailStyle19 {font-family:Arial;color:navy;} _filtered {margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {} --> FYI, the page is locked for editing and evidently I’m considered a possible ‘sock puppet’ so I won’t be doing any editing until the page is unlocked. Anybody know how I can contact the editors to let them know that I am a real human being and not Trixter’s doppelganger? J -MC From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Michael Collins Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 8:51 AM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Cc: freeswitch-dev@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Wikipedia Article Also, there those who are willing and able to post on Wikipedia who are not ‘intimately associated’ with the project and therefore do not have a conflict of interest or a non-neutral viewpoint. I am one such person. If any of the developers has an idea or thought for a Wikipedia post, please email me offline with your suggestions. I will review them from my neutral, unbiased position and then I’ll put those ideas into my own words and post them on the Wikipedia article. NOTE: in all fairness to Wikipedia I won’t throw just anything onto the WP article, so if you want to see something on WP or see it updated please be prepared to make a valid case. I won’t be a fascist like some of the WP editors have been, but I will be both tough and fair. Thanks, MC From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of David Villasmil Govea Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 5:40 AM To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Cc: freeswitch-dev@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Wikipedia Article Hello Brian, Not being in the project as a developer myself, my suggestion is: Get someone out of the project to write it more neutraly for you, i could understand why they think it is biased, but it doesn't mean you can not post it at all. Don't let them get away with it. David On 10/6/07, Brian West <brian.west@mac.com> wrote: I would like to bring this to your attention. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WT:WPSPAM#Newbie_briankwest_. 28aka_86.92.134.171.29_gone_wild The project and I have been defamed on Wikipedia and the comments in this about me being hostile and various other things related to the FreeSWITCH article. The wikipedia editor is linking me with an anonymous poster and now has elevated this from my inquiry as to why he keeps tagging the article as spam to something personal. I have forbidden the core freeswitch developers from posting on wikipedia since the last time the article was tagged as spam. I would also like to point out the person that keeps tagging FreeSWITCH as spam and quick deletion has also had OpenSER, YATE and Callweaver deleted from wikipedia under similar circumstances. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Calltech) I feel personally damaged by this Wikipedia editors comments directed right at me. 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The problem from their eyes is that its not a 3rd party writing it, its not even hosted on a 3rd party site. There are some that misunderstand policy vs guidelines and what is and what isnt acceptable. For example the part about the caveman and all could probably be gleaned from the way back machine as an authoritative source for 3rd party confirmation that the webpage did have a caveman cutting wheels saying 'there are a lot of wheels we might as well use some' they just deleted it because there wasnt a 3rd party cite. Also, it has been requested that all FS affiliated people do not post on the article itself, instead post what you think should be added to the talk page. My guess is that it will ultimately be deleted, and that in 2-3 months, providing there are articles published (not on blogs!) by "reputable" (computerworld was deemed non-reputable because a mod hadnt heard of them - sigh) sites that discuss the various aspects, then it can likely be recreated. It will get deleted again if its just put back without new cites - see the YATE history of calltech deleting it because 2 days before it got deleted (he is the one that deleted it, openser, callweaver all the first time too). These articles can be helpful regardless of whether or not it ever makes it into wikipedia. The articles should be on: * performance ken is doing what I hope to be a replicatable performance and benchmarking test suite others should do that as well, perhaps following his methodology to some extent the more impartial these tests are, the more open the information is on the test conditions, the better the results be prepared however, because it ALWAYS happens, that someone will attack the test criteria or methods used, this is actually a good thing (if you can weed out the attack from the meaningful reasons why it happened). If people point to flaws in the testing, you can incorporate them into new tests, which dont have those flaws and come up with an even better benchmark. * features need a good write up of what FS can do, what comes with it, maybe 'sound bites' from tony and a few others. This should be in plain english as best as possible. That way non-techies can understand it better, which generally makes for a better article anyway. I would guess that not more than 20% of the article should be sound bites, because that tends to slant what is being presented independant authors need to write more about their opinions and support that with facts, rather than just quoting someone for 90% of it * development philoposy FreeSWITCH[tm] is a library, yes it comes with a small exe to load that and launch the core, but its a lib and can be embedded (key fact overlooked) FreeSWITCH[tm] has an abstraction layer that prevents module cross-dependancy (I cant find ANYTHING that discusses that) Tony you care to chime in on a few more dev philoposy things, since I am sure there are more * Other libs that FreeSWITCH[tm] created openzap teletone stfu (if its generic enough to be useful elsewhere - jitterbuffer lib) dingaling others? No single article has to be on, and in some cases its better if they arent on everything. They can be 1-2 page shorter writeups that discuss some aspect and how that interrelates to other things. From what I listed I see 15 more or less unique articles that can be written which all complement each other, and when taken as a whole give a much better and bigger picture of what FreeSWITCH[tm] is and how its helped the open source telephony community. If we get articles written and published in many places two things happen, one it starts to generate a buzz about the project, which can help enlist others to help write code, documentation, add-on programs, etc, and two it helps to establish that its a real program with real qualities that while we can say it, it doesnt seem to be catching hold. In addition the more unique sources that we have the better it seems. If there are only 3 writers that ever write about something it doesnt seem as persuavasive as if there are 300 :) Dont underestimate the power of being a freelance writer - many publications will accept articles and publish them if they are well written, which can help you get started if you want to be a writer, help get your name out as an authority on some subject, if you want that. And at the same time help what you write about :) And finally lets not forget that there is a spanish freeswitch, russian and perhaps other language pages that can be created on wikipedia. On es.wikipedia.com, ru.wikipedia.com and perhaps other places FreeSWITCH is linked in, but there is no page created yet. So speaking english isnt that big of a thing. I did come across some portuguese articles on FS in the last couple days, from some brazilian paper that did a write up, I however couldnt understand what was being said, so I dnt know the context. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel Belfast +44 28 9099 6461 US +1 516 687 5200 http://www.trxtel.com the phone company that pays you!
I can translate articles to spanish. Regards, Santiago Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 17:32:23 +0200 From: trixter@0xdecafbad.com To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Wikipedia Article The problem from their eyes is that its not a 3rd party writing it, its not even hosted on a 3rd party site. There are some that misunderstand policy vs guidelines and what is and what isnt acceptable. For example the part about the caveman and all could probably be gleaned from the way back machine as an authoritative source for 3rd party confirmation that the webpage did have a caveman cutting wheels saying 'there are a lot of wheels we might as well use some' they just deleted it because there wasnt a 3rd party cite. Also, it has been requested that all FS affiliated people do not post on the article itself, instead post what you think should be added to the talk page. My guess is that it will ultimately be deleted, and that in 2-3 months, providing there are articles published (not on blogs!) by "reputable" (computerworld was deemed non-reputable because a mod hadnt heard of them - sigh) sites that discuss the various aspects, then it can likely be recreated. It will get deleted again if its just put back without new cites - see the YATE history of calltech deleting it because 2 days before it got deleted (he is the one that deleted it, openser, callweaver all the first time too). These articles can be helpful regardless of whether or not it ever makes it into wikipedia. The articles should be on: * performance ken is doing what I hope to be a replicatable performance and benchmarking test suite others should do that as well, perhaps following his methodology to some extent the more impartial these tests are, the more open the information is on the test conditions, the better the results be prepared however, because it ALWAYS happens, that someone will attack the test criteria or methods used, this is actually a good thing (if you can weed out the attack from the meaningful reasons why it happened). If people point to flaws in the testing, you can incorporate them into new tests, which dont have those flaws and come up with an even better benchmark. * features need a good write up of what FS can do, what comes with it, maybe 'sound bites' from tony and a few others. This should be in plain english as best as possible. That way non-techies can understand it better, which generally makes for a better article anyway. I would guess that not more than 20% of the article should be sound bites, because that tends to slant what is being presented independant authors need to write more about their opinions and support that with facts, rather than just quoting someone for 90% of it * development philoposy FreeSWITCH[tm] is a library, yes it comes with a small exe to load that and launch the core, but its a lib and can be embedded (key fact overlooked) FreeSWITCH[tm] has an abstraction layer that prevents module cross-dependancy (I cant find ANYTHING that discusses that) Tony you care to chime in on a few more dev philoposy things, since I am sure there are more * Other libs that FreeSWITCH[tm] created openzap teletone stfu (if its generic enough to be useful elsewhere - jitterbuffer lib) dingaling others? No single article has to be on, and in some cases its better if they arent on everything. They can be 1-2 page shorter writeups that discuss some aspect and how that interrelates to other things. From what I listed I see 15 more or less unique articles that can be written which all complement each other, and when taken as a whole give a much better and bigger picture of what FreeSWITCH[tm] is and how its helped the open source telephony community. If we get articles written and published in many places two things happen, one it starts to generate a buzz about the project, which can help enlist others to help write code, documentation, add-on programs, etc, and two it helps to establish that its a real program with real qualities that while we can say it, it doesnt seem to be catching hold. In addition the more unique sources that we have the better it seems. If there are only 3 writers that ever write about something it doesnt seem as persuavasive as if there are 300 :) Dont underestimate the power of being a freelance writer - many publications will accept articles and publish them if they are well written, which can help you get started if you want to be a writer, help get your name out as an authority on some subject, if you want that. And at the same time help what you write about :) And finally lets not forget that there is a spanish freeswitch, russian and perhaps other language pages that can be created on wikipedia. On es.wikipedia.com , ru.wikipedia.com and perhaps other places FreeSWITCH is linked in, but there is no page created yet. So speaking english isnt that big of a thing. I did come across some portuguese articles on FS in the last couple days, from some brazilian paper that did a write up, I however couldnt understand what was being said, so I dnt know the context. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel Belfast +44 28 9099 6461 US +1 516 687 5200 http://www.trxtel.com the phone company that pays you! _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
I can translate articles and manual to Spanish Regards, Jose Barrios De: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] En nombre de Santiago Gimenez Ocano Enviado el: lunes, 08 de octubre de 2007 12:03 Para: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Asunto: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Wikipedia Article I can translate articles to spanish. Regards, Santiago _____ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 17:32:23 +0200 From: trixter@0xdecafbad.com To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Wikipedia Article The problem from their eyes is that its not a 3rd party writing it, its not even hosted on a 3rd party site. There are some that misunderstand policy vs guidelines and what is and what isnt acceptable. For example the part about the caveman and all could probably be gleaned from the way back machine as an authoritative source for 3rd party confirmation that the webpage did have a caveman cutting wheels saying 'there are a lot of wheels we might as well use some' they just deleted it because there wasnt a 3rd party cite. Also, it has been requested that all FS affiliated people do not post on the article itself, instead post what you think should be added to the talk page. My guess is that it will ultimately be deleted, and that in 2-3 months, providing there are articles published (not on blogs!) by "reputable" (computerworld was deemed non-reputable because a mod hadnt heard of them - sigh) sites that discuss the various aspects, then it can likely be recreated. It will get deleted again if its just put back without new cites - see the YATE history of calltech deleting it because 2 days before it got deleted (he is the one that deleted it, openser, callweaver all the first time too). These articles can be helpful regardless of whether or not it ever makes it into wikipedia. The articles should be on: * performance ken is doing what I hope to be a replicatable performance and benchmarking test suite others should do that as well, perhaps following his methodology to some extent the more impartial these tests are, the more open the information is on the test conditions, the better the results be prepared however, because it ALWAYS happens, that someone will attack the test criteria or methods used, this is actually a good thing (if you can weed out the attack from the meaningful reasons why it happened). If people point to flaws in the testing, you can incorporate them into new tests, which dont have those flaws and come up with an even better benchmark. * features need a good write up of what FS can do, what comes with it, maybe 'sound bites' from tony and a few others. This should be in plain english as best as possible. That way non-techies can understand it better, which generally makes for a better article anyway. I would guess that not more than 20% of the article should be sound bites, because that tends to slant what is being presented independant authors need to write more about their opinions and support that with facts, rather than just quoting someone for 90% of it * development philoposy FreeSWITCH[tm] is a library, yes it comes with a small exe to load that and launch the core, but its a lib and can be embedded (key fact overlooked) FreeSWITCH[tm] has an abstraction layer that prevents module cross-dependancy (I cant find ANYTHING that discusses that) Tony you care to chime in on a few more dev philoposy things, since I am sure there are more * Other libs that FreeSWITCH[tm] created openzap teletone stfu (if its generic enough to be useful elsewhere - jitterbuffer lib) dingaling others? No single article has to be on, and in some cases its better if they arent on everything. They can be 1-2 page shorter writeups that discuss some aspect and how that interrelates to other things. From what I listed I see 15 more or less unique articles that can be written which all complement each other, and when taken as a whole give a much better and bigger picture of what FreeSWITCH[tm] is and how its helped the open source telephony community. If we get articles written and published in many places two things happen, one it starts to generate a buzz about the project, which can help enlist others to help write code, documentation, add-on programs, etc, and two it helps to establish that its a real program with real qualities that while we can say it, it doesnt seem to be catching hold. In addition the more unique sources that we have the better it seems. If there are only 3 writers that ever write about something it doesnt seem as persuavasive as if there are 300 :) Dont underestimate the power of being a freelance writer - many publications will accept articles and publish them if they are well written, which can help you get started if you want to be a writer, help get your name out as an authority on some subject, if you want that. And at the same time help what you write about :) And finally lets not forget that there is a spanish freeswitch, russian and perhaps other language pages that can be created on wikipedia. On HYPERLINK "http://es.wikipedia.com" \nes.wikipedia.com , HYPERLINK "http://ru.wikipedia.com" \nru.wikipedia.com and perhaps other places FreeSWITCH is linked in, but there is no page created yet. So speaking english isnt that big of a thing. I did come across some portuguese articles on FS in the last couple days, from some brazilian paper that did a write up, I however couldnt understand what was being said, so I dnt know the context. -- Trixter HYPERLINK "http://www.0xdecafbad.com" \nhttp://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel Belfast +44 28 9099 6461 US +1 516 687 5200 HYPERLINK "http://www.trxtel.com" \nhttp://www.trxtel.com the phone company that pays you! _____ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! HYPERLINK "http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/"MSN Messenger No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.4/1056 - Release Date: 07/10/2007 18:12 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.4/1056 - Release Date: 07/10/2007 18:12
participants (4)
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Anthony Minessale
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Jose Barrios
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Santiago Gimenez Ocano
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Trixter aka Bret McDanel