Hi, Those statements have been made in this list: "Whoever convinced you to use ubuntu must have been mad at you." "Ubuntu is really for desktops if you ask me. I would never put anything production on Ubuntu. Way to much bloat." "There are multiple known issues with Ubuntu 12.04. We reccomend Debian 8 Jessie." I have a system in production with a headless (of course) Ubuntu 14.04 with FS compiled from source (1.4.19). It seems to be running fine. Nothing fancy and it's not heavy loaded (yet). Is there any JIRA ticket that confirms that Ubuntu is to blame for some bad behavior? Are there any "known issues" with Ubuntu that I need to be aware of, documented elsewhere? If Ubuntu is not suited to run FS, I'll be glad to switch distros. But please, provide some evidence, otherwise some of you seem to be forcing consensus and trowing Ubuntu under the bus. Cheers, Saumar
I have had several run ins with Ubuntu 14 and 12 where it would be just bad FS hangs. I would have to get into the cli to get it to unhang. I would get to the point where I would just keep a cli connection open just to keep the client from calling and telling me they can't dial out. I cannot replicate the issue because its very random. but it is definitely distro related. I would switch before you go in to deep with configurations. On Aug 20, 2015 12:21 PM, "Saumar Hajjar" <saumar@uol.com.br> wrote:
Hi,
Those statements have been made in this list: "Whoever convinced you to use ubuntu must have been mad at you." "Ubuntu is really for desktops if you ask me. I would never put anything production on Ubuntu. Way to much bloat." "There are multiple known issues with Ubuntu 12.04. We reccomend Debian 8 Jessie."
I have a system in production with a headless (of course) Ubuntu 14.04 with FS compiled from source (1.4.19). It seems to be running fine. Nothing fancy and it's not heavy loaded (yet).
Is there any JIRA ticket that confirms that Ubuntu is to blame for some bad behavior? Are there any "known issues" with Ubuntu that I need to be aware of, documented elsewhere? If Ubuntu is not suited to run FS, I'll be glad to switch distros. But please, provide some evidence, otherwise some of you seem to be forcing consensus and trowing Ubuntu under the bus.
Cheers,
Saumar
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The main issue on ubuntu 12 is that its 5 years old and the packages on the system are not up to date with the versions needed for FS. Sometimes users find a way around it or it ends up back-ported. Ubuntu is indeed designed for a desktop user. Some may have had success with using it for a server because, after all, its just linux and you can choose to not run the GUI. The main reason everyone recommends Jessie is because we just spent an entire year synchronizing all of our dependancies and packaging FreeSWITCH to run in that platform. Other platforms are possible too but each individual platform takes many many man-months of effort to properly resolve all of the dependancies. To someone who just wants to use software, the complexity of packaging and distros is lost. Most of the quotes you listed are snarky in nature but are related to countless fighting with Ubuntu trying to get things to build and general annoyances. The issues in 12.04 are real, its because the kernel is older and does not support newer hardware as well and there tends to be problems in the openssl as its being carefully back-ported with patches. It already takes some non-standard or manually built libraries to get it working. 14.x has a better chance but there is not enough effort by the community to try to fully support it at this time. So short version is, if you don't care that much you have a much better chance of having it work out of the box on Debian. If you don't use the Video features and you are adventurous, you can certainly use Ubuntu even with success but you will possibly end up with more snarky comments if you hit a nerve on someone you ask for help who remembers some past battle trying to get it working. On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Blake Priddy <bpriddy@bryantschools.org> wrote:
I have had several run ins with Ubuntu 14 and 12 where it would be just bad FS hangs. I would have to get into the cli to get it to unhang. I would get to the point where I would just keep a cli connection open just to keep the client from calling and telling me they can't dial out. I cannot replicate the issue because its very random. but it is definitely distro related. I would switch before you go in to deep with configurations. On Aug 20, 2015 12:21 PM, "Saumar Hajjar" <saumar@uol.com.br> wrote:
Hi,
Those statements have been made in this list: "Whoever convinced you to use ubuntu must have been mad at you." "Ubuntu is really for desktops if you ask me. I would never put anything production on Ubuntu. Way to much bloat." "There are multiple known issues with Ubuntu 12.04. We reccomend Debian 8 Jessie."
I have a system in production with a headless (of course) Ubuntu 14.04 with FS compiled from source (1.4.19). It seems to be running fine. Nothing fancy and it's not heavy loaded (yet).
Is there any JIRA ticket that confirms that Ubuntu is to blame for some bad behavior? Are there any "known issues" with Ubuntu that I need to be aware of, documented elsewhere? If Ubuntu is not suited to run FS, I'll be glad to switch distros. But please, provide some evidence, otherwise some of you seem to be forcing consensus and trowing Ubuntu under the bus.
Cheers,
Saumar
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I suppose the same can be said for running it on Fedora... ;) (guilty as charged) Though I am likely going to be moving to a 14.04 based system going forward. I'm not using any pre-built packages though, so expect I already have to deal with most of those sorts of issues regardless. It would be potentially useful to see a simple one-page table on the wiki detailing these sorts of known problems and comments relative to specific distros. It would be perfectly fine to say "dependency hell on this platform, not worth the hassle" - but for those of us who always build from source anyway - it's helpful to distinguish between "impossible to install from packages because of missing deps/etc" vs "combination of kernel and bad compiler gcc x.yy that comes with this OS causes horrible audio sync issues" (hypothetical example only) -- Nathan On 08/20/2015 12:56 PM, Anthony Minessale wrote:
The main issue on ubuntu 12 is that its 5 years old and the packages on the system are not up to date with the versions needed for FS. Sometimes users find a way around it or it ends up back-ported.
Ubuntu is indeed designed for a desktop user. Some may have had success with using it for a server because, after all, its just linux and you can choose to not run the GUI. The main reason everyone recommends Jessie is because we just spent an entire year synchronizing all of our dependancies and packaging FreeSWITCH to run in that platform. Other platforms are possible too but each individual platform takes many many man-months of effort to properly resolve all of the dependancies.
To someone who just wants to use software, the complexity of packaging and distros is lost.
Most of the quotes you listed are snarky in nature but are related to countless fighting with Ubuntu trying to get things to build and general annoyances. The issues in 12.04 are real, its because the kernel is older and does not support newer hardware as well and there tends to be problems in the openssl as its being carefully back-ported with patches. It already takes some non-standard or manually built libraries to get it working. 14.x has a better chance but there is not enough effort by the community to try to fully support it at this time.
So short version is, if you don't care that much you have a much better chance of having it work out of the box on Debian. If you don't use the Video features and you are adventurous, you can certainly use Ubuntu even with success but you will possibly end up with more snarky comments if you hit a nerve on someone you ask for help who remembers some past battle trying to get it working.
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Blake Priddy <bpriddy@bryantschools.org <mailto:bpriddy@bryantschools.org>> wrote:
I have had several run ins with Ubuntu 14 and 12 where it would be just bad FS hangs. I would have to get into the cli to get it to unhang. I would get to the point where I would just keep a cli connection open just to keep the client from calling and telling me they can't dial out. I cannot replicate the issue because its very random. but it is definitely distro related. I would switch before you go in to deep with configurations.
On Aug 20, 2015 12:21 PM, "Saumar Hajjar" <saumar@uol.com.br <mailto:saumar@uol.com.br>> wrote:
Hi,
Those statements have been made in this list: "Whoever convinced you to use ubuntu must have been mad at you." "Ubuntu is really for desktops if you ask me. I would never put anything production on Ubuntu. Way to much bloat." "There are multiple known issues with Ubuntu 12.04. We reccomend Debian 8 Jessie."
I have a system in production with a headless (of course) Ubuntu 14.04 with FS compiled from source (1.4.19). It seems to be running fine. Nothing fancy and it's not heavy loaded (yet).
Is there any JIRA ticket that confirms that Ubuntu is to blame for some bad behavior? Are there any "known issues" with Ubuntu that I need to be aware of, documented elsewhere? If Ubuntu is not suited to run FS, I'll be glad to switch distros. But please, provide some evidence, otherwise some of you seem to be forcing consensus and trowing Ubuntu under the bus.
Cheers,
Saumar
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The problems are not just dependency hell, but several issues where we were just never able to replicate them consistently, then you ditch Ubuntu for something else (usually debian since the management tools are the same) and the problems magically go away. -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Neulinger Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 1:07 PM To: FreeSWITCH Users Help <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org> Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Ubuntu and FreeSWITCH I suppose the same can be said for running it on Fedora... ;) (guilty as charged) Though I am likely going to be moving to a 14.04 based system going forward. I'm not using any pre-built packages though, so expect I already have to deal with most of those sorts of issues regardless. It would be potentially useful to see a simple one-page table on the wiki detailing these sorts of known problems and comments relative to specific distros. It would be perfectly fine to say "dependency hell on this platform, not worth the hassle" - but for those of us who always build from source anyway - it's helpful to distinguish between "impossible to install from packages because of missing deps/etc" vs "combination of kernel and bad compiler gcc x.yy that comes with this OS causes horrible audio sync issues" (hypothetical example only) -- Nathan On 08/20/2015 12:56 PM, Anthony Minessale wrote:
The main issue on ubuntu 12 is that its 5 years old and the packages on the system are not up to date with the versions needed for FS. Sometimes users find a way around it or it ends up back-ported.
Ubuntu is indeed designed for a desktop user. Some may have had success with using it for a server because, after all, its just linux and you can choose to not run the GUI. The main reason everyone recommends Jessie is because we just spent an entire year synchronizing all of our dependancies and packaging FreeSWITCH to run in that platform. Other platforms are possible too but each individual platform takes many many man-months of effort to properly resolve all of the dependancies.
To someone who just wants to use software, the complexity of packaging and distros is lost.
Most of the quotes you listed are snarky in nature but are related to countless fighting with Ubuntu trying to get things to build and general annoyances. The issues in 12.04 are real, its because the kernel is older and does not support newer hardware as well and there tends to be problems in the openssl as its being carefully back-ported with patches. It already takes some non-standard or manually built libraries to get it working. 14.x has a better chance but there is not enough effort by the community to try to fully support it at this time.
So short version is, if you don't care that much you have a much better chance of having it work out of the box on Debian. If you don't use the Video features and you are adventurous, you can certainly use Ubuntu even with success but you will possibly end up with more snarky comments if you hit a nerve on someone you ask for help who remembers some past battle trying to get it working.
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Blake Priddy <bpriddy@bryantschools.org <mailto:bpriddy@bryantschools.org>> wrote:
I have had several run ins with Ubuntu 14 and 12 where it would be just bad FS hangs. I would have to get into the cli to get it to unhang. I would get to the point where I would just keep a cli connection open just to keep the client from calling and telling me they can't dial out. I cannot replicate the issue because its very random. but it is definitely distro related. I would switch before you go in to deep with configurations.
On Aug 20, 2015 12:21 PM, "Saumar Hajjar" <saumar@uol.com.br <mailto:saumar@uol.com.br>> wrote:
Hi,
Those statements have been made in this list: "Whoever convinced you to use ubuntu must have been mad at you." "Ubuntu is really for desktops if you ask me. I would never put anything production on Ubuntu. Way to much bloat." "There are multiple known issues with Ubuntu 12.04. We reccomend Debian 8 Jessie."
I have a system in production with a headless (of course) Ubuntu 14.04 with FS compiled from source (1.4.19). It seems to be running fine. Nothing fancy and it's not heavy loaded (yet).
Is there any JIRA ticket that confirms that Ubuntu is to blame for some bad behavior? Are there any "known issues" with Ubuntu that I need to be aware of, documented elsewhere? If Ubuntu is not suited to run FS, I'll be glad to switch distros. But please, provide some evidence, otherwise some of you seem to be forcing consensus and trowing Ubuntu under the bus.
Cheers,
Saumar
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Thanks all for sharing your experiences. There's nothing worse than a random, unreproducible problem. I'll consider switching to Debian before the company activates 3 more E1s Em 20/08/2015 15:10, Ken Rice escreveu:
The problems are not just dependency hell, but several issues where we were just never able to replicate them consistently, then you ditch Ubuntu for something else (usually debian since the management tools are the same) and the problems magically go away.
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I suppose the same can be said for running it on Fedora... ;) (guilty as charged)
Though I am likely going to be moving to a 14.04 based system going forward. I'm not using any pre-built packages though, so expect I already have to deal with most of those sorts of issues regardless.
It would be potentially useful to see a simple one-page table on the wiki detailing these sorts of known problems and comments relative to specific distros.
It would be perfectly fine to say "dependency hell on this platform, not worth the hassle" - but for those of us who always build from source anyway - it's helpful to distinguish between "impossible to install from packages because of missing deps/etc" vs "combination of kernel and bad compiler gcc x.yy that comes with this OS causes horrible audio sync issues" (hypothetical example only)
-- Nathan
On 08/20/2015 12:56 PM, Anthony Minessale wrote:
The main issue on ubuntu 12 is that its 5 years old and the packages on the system are not up to date with the versions needed for FS. Sometimes users find a way around it or it ends up back-ported.
Ubuntu is indeed designed for a desktop user. Some may have had success with using it for a server because, after all, its just linux and you can choose to not run the GUI. The main reason everyone recommends Jessie is because we just spent an entire year synchronizing all of our dependancies and packaging FreeSWITCH to run in that platform. Other platforms are possible too but each individual platform takes many many man-months of effort to properly resolve all of the dependancies.
To someone who just wants to use software, the complexity of packaging and distros is lost.
Most of the quotes you listed are snarky in nature but are related to countless fighting with Ubuntu trying to get things to build and general annoyances. The issues in 12.04 are real, its because the kernel is older and does not support newer hardware as well and there tends to be problems in the openssl as its being carefully back-ported with patches. It already takes some non-standard or manually built libraries to get it working. 14.x has a better chance but there is not enough effort by the community to try to fully support it at this time.
So short version is, if you don't care that much you have a much better chance of having it work out of the box on Debian. If you don't use the Video features and you are adventurous, you can certainly use Ubuntu even with success but you will possibly end up with more snarky comments if you hit a nerve on someone you ask for help who remembers some past battle trying to get it working.
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Blake Priddy <bpriddy@bryantschools.org <mailto:bpriddy@bryantschools.org>> wrote:
I have had several run ins with Ubuntu 14 and 12 where it would be just bad FS hangs. I would have to get into the cli to get it to unhang. I would get to the point where I would just keep a cli connection open just to keep the client from calling and telling me they can't dial out. I cannot replicate the issue because its very random. but it is definitely distro related. I would switch before you go in to deep with configurations.
On Aug 20, 2015 12:21 PM, "Saumar Hajjar" <saumar@uol.com.br <mailto:saumar@uol.com.br>> wrote:
Hi,
Those statements have been made in this list: "Whoever convinced you to use ubuntu must have been mad at you." "Ubuntu is really for desktops if you ask me. I would never put anything production on Ubuntu. Way to much bloat." "There are multiple known issues with Ubuntu 12.04. We reccomend Debian 8 Jessie."
I have a system in production with a headless (of course) Ubuntu 14.04 with FS compiled from source (1.4.19). It seems to be running fine. Nothing fancy and it's not heavy loaded (yet).
Is there any JIRA ticket that confirms that Ubuntu is to blame for some bad behavior? Are there any "known issues" with Ubuntu that I need to be aware of, documented elsewhere? If Ubuntu is not suited to run FS, I'll be glad to switch distros. But please, provide some evidence, otherwise some of you seem to be forcing consensus and trowing Ubuntu under the bus.
Cheers,
Saumar
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When tony said there were multiple man months put into getting dependencies right for Jessie for 1.6, he was not exaggerating. This makes no difference at all if you are building from source or using our Freeswitch packages. 1.6 uses significantly more system libraries, if you are building from master, you will have to address all these dependency issues. This isn't a matter of a simple wiki page of known issues, there are many dozens of things you have to get right. This work has been mostly completed for centos 7 (missing MP3 and h264 support due to missing dependencies in the distro) and is in the works for windows. We welcome anyone who wants to put the time in to do this work on other operating systems and we are willing to work closely and knowledge transfer everything necessary as we did working on centos, but you will need to be well versed in packaging for the distro and prepared to spend significant time getting it all working. On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Nathan Neulinger <nneul@mst.edu> wrote:
I suppose the same can be said for running it on Fedora... ;) (guilty as charged)
Though I am likely going to be moving to a 14.04 based system going forward. I'm not using any pre-built packages though, so expect I already have to deal with most of those sorts of issues regardless.
It would be potentially useful to see a simple one-page table on the wiki detailing these sorts of known problems and comments relative to specific distros.
It would be perfectly fine to say "dependency hell on this platform, not worth the hassle" - but for those of us who always build from source anyway - it's helpful to distinguish between "impossible to install from packages because of missing deps/etc" vs "combination of kernel and bad compiler gcc x.yy that comes with this OS causes horrible audio sync issues" (hypothetical example only)
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On 08/20/2015 12:56 PM, Anthony Minessale wrote:
The main issue on ubuntu 12 is that its 5 years old and the packages on the system are not up to date with the versions needed for FS. Sometimes users find a way around it or it ends up back-ported.
Ubuntu is indeed designed for a desktop user. Some may have had success with using it for a server because, after all, its just linux and you can choose to not run the GUI. The main reason everyone recommends Jessie is because we just spent an entire year synchronizing all of our dependancies and packaging FreeSWITCH to run in that platform. Other platforms are possible too but each individual platform takes many many man-months of effort to properly resolve all of the dependancies.
To someone who just wants to use software, the complexity of packaging and distros is lost.
Most of the quotes you listed are snarky in nature but are related to countless fighting with Ubuntu trying to get things to build and general annoyances. The issues in 12.04 are real, its because the kernel is older and does not support newer hardware as well and there tends to be problems in the openssl as its being carefully back-ported with patches. It already takes some non-standard or manually built libraries to get it working. 14.x has a better chance but there is not enough effort by the community to try to fully support it at this time.
So short version is, if you don't care that much you have a much better chance of having it work out of the box on Debian. If you don't use the Video features and you are adventurous, you can certainly use Ubuntu even with success but you will possibly end up with more snarky comments if you hit a nerve on someone you ask for help who remembers some past battle trying to get it working.
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Blake Priddy < bpriddy@bryantschools.org <javascript:;> <mailto:bpriddy@bryantschools.org <javascript:;>>> wrote:
I have had several run ins with Ubuntu 14 and 12 where it would be just bad FS hangs. I would have to get into the cli to get it to unhang. I would get to the point where I would just keep a cli connection open just to keep the client from calling and telling me they can't dial out. I cannot replicate the issue because its very random. but it is definitely distro related. I would switch before you go in to deep with configurations.
On Aug 20, 2015 12:21 PM, "Saumar Hajjar" <saumar@uol.com.br <javascript:;> <mailto:saumar@uol.com.br <javascript:;>>> wrote:
Hi,
Those statements have been made in this list: "Whoever convinced you to use ubuntu must have been mad at you." "Ubuntu is really for desktops if you ask me. I would never put anything production on Ubuntu. Way to much bloat." "There are multiple known issues with Ubuntu 12.04. We reccomend Debian 8 Jessie."
I have a system in production with a headless (of course) Ubuntu 14.04 with FS compiled from source (1.4.19). It seems to be running fine. Nothing fancy and it's not heavy loaded (yet).
Is there any JIRA ticket that confirms that Ubuntu is to blame for some bad behavior? Are there any "known issues" with Ubuntu that I need to be aware of, documented elsewhere? If Ubuntu is not suited to run FS, I'll be glad to switch distros. But please, provide some evidence, otherwise some of you seem to be forcing consensus and trowing Ubuntu under the bus.
Cheers,
Saumar
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You must know your distro to make things work. I like centos & mageia and I have been porting and doing missing rpms to make fs to work. Same with deb's distroes. Problem comes when you are a newbie, you want it free and you want it work out of the box for your odd system. Stay with microsoft then. On Aug 20, 2015 4:57 PM, "Michael Jerris" <mike@jerris.com> wrote:
When tony said there were multiple man months put into getting dependencies right for Jessie for 1.6, he was not exaggerating. This makes no difference at all if you are building from source or using our Freeswitch packages. 1.6 uses significantly more system libraries, if you are building from master, you will have to address all these dependency issues. This isn't a matter of a simple wiki page of known issues, there are many dozens of things you have to get right. This work has been mostly completed for centos 7 (missing MP3 and h264 support due to missing dependencies in the distro) and is in the works for windows. We welcome anyone who wants to put the time in to do this work on other operating systems and we are willing to work closely and knowledge transfer everything necessary as we did working on centos, but you will need to be well versed in packaging for the distro and prepared to spend significant time getting it all working.
On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Nathan Neulinger <nneul@mst.edu> wrote:
I suppose the same can be said for running it on Fedora... ;) (guilty as charged)
Though I am likely going to be moving to a 14.04 based system going forward. I'm not using any pre-built packages though, so expect I already have to deal with most of those sorts of issues regardless.
It would be potentially useful to see a simple one-page table on the wiki detailing these sorts of known problems and comments relative to specific distros.
It would be perfectly fine to say "dependency hell on this platform, not worth the hassle" - but for those of us who always build from source anyway - it's helpful to distinguish between "impossible to install from packages because of missing deps/etc" vs "combination of kernel and bad compiler gcc x.yy that comes with this OS causes horrible audio sync issues" (hypothetical example only)
-- Nathan
On 08/20/2015 12:56 PM, Anthony Minessale wrote:
The main issue on ubuntu 12 is that its 5 years old and the packages on the system are not up to date with the versions needed for FS. Sometimes users find a way around it or it ends up back-ported.
Ubuntu is indeed designed for a desktop user. Some may have had success with using it for a server because, after all, its just linux and you can choose to not run the GUI. The main reason everyone recommends Jessie is because we just spent an entire year synchronizing all of our dependancies and packaging FreeSWITCH to run in that platform. Other platforms are possible too but each individual platform takes many many man-months of effort to properly resolve all of the dependancies.
To someone who just wants to use software, the complexity of packaging and distros is lost.
Most of the quotes you listed are snarky in nature but are related to countless fighting with Ubuntu trying to get things to build and general annoyances. The issues in 12.04 are real, its because the kernel is older and does not support newer hardware as well and there tends to be problems in the openssl as its being carefully back-ported with patches. It already takes some non-standard or manually built libraries to get it working. 14.x has a better chance but there is not enough effort by the community to try to fully support it at this time.
So short version is, if you don't care that much you have a much better chance of having it work out of the box on Debian. If you don't use the Video features and you are adventurous, you can certainly use Ubuntu even with success but you will possibly end up with more snarky comments if you hit a nerve on someone you ask for help who remembers some past battle trying to get it working.
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Blake Priddy < bpriddy@bryantschools.org <mailto:bpriddy@bryantschools.org>> wrote:
I have had several run ins with Ubuntu 14 and 12 where it would be just bad FS hangs. I would have to get into the cli to get it to unhang. I would get to the point where I would just keep a cli connection open just to keep the client from calling and telling me they can't dial out. I cannot replicate the issue because its very random. but it is definitely distro related. I would switch before you go in to deep with configurations.
On Aug 20, 2015 12:21 PM, "Saumar Hajjar" <saumar@uol.com.br <mailto:saumar@uol.com.br>> wrote:
Hi,
Those statements have been made in this list: "Whoever convinced you to use ubuntu must have been mad at you." "Ubuntu is really for desktops if you ask me. I would never put anything production on Ubuntu. Way to much bloat." "There are multiple known issues with Ubuntu 12.04. We reccomend Debian 8 Jessie."
I have a system in production with a headless (of course) Ubuntu 14.04 with FS compiled from source (1.4.19). It seems to be running fine. Nothing fancy and it's not heavy loaded (yet).
Is there any JIRA ticket that confirms that Ubuntu is to blame for some bad behavior? Are there any "known issues" with Ubuntu that I need to be aware of, documented elsewhere? If Ubuntu is not suited to run FS, I'll be glad to switch distros. But please, provide some evidence, otherwise some of you seem to be forcing consensus and trowing Ubuntu under the bus.
Cheers,
Saumar
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Just to make sure: If I want to use 1.6 but do not need video, I still need all the new dependencies, right? There is no way to disable some video related modules and build like 1.4? On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Michael Jerris <mike@jerris.com> wrote:
When tony said there were multiple man months put into getting dependencies right for Jessie for 1.6, he was not exaggerating. This makes no difference at all if you are building from source or using our Freeswitch packages. 1.6 uses significantly more system libraries, if you are building from master, you will have to address all these dependency issues. This isn't a matter of a simple wiki page of known issues, there are many dozens of things you have to get right. This work has been mostly completed for centos 7 (missing MP3 and h264 support due to missing dependencies in the distro) and is in the works for windows. We welcome anyone who wants to put the time in to do this work on other operating systems and we are willing to work closely and knowledge transfer everything necessary as we did working on centos, but you will need to be well versed in packaging for the distro and prepared to spend significant time getting it all working.
On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Nathan Neulinger <nneul@mst.edu> wrote:
I suppose the same can be said for running it on Fedora... ;) (guilty as charged)
Though I am likely going to be moving to a 14.04 based system going forward. I'm not using any pre-built packages though, so expect I already have to deal with most of those sorts of issues regardless.
It would be potentially useful to see a simple one-page table on the wiki detailing these sorts of known problems and comments relative to specific distros.
It would be perfectly fine to say "dependency hell on this platform, not worth the hassle" - but for those of us who always build from source anyway - it's helpful to distinguish between "impossible to install from packages because of missing deps/etc" vs "combination of kernel and bad compiler gcc x.yy that comes with this OS causes horrible audio sync issues" (hypothetical example only)
-- Nathan
On 08/20/2015 12:56 PM, Anthony Minessale wrote:
The main issue on ubuntu 12 is that its 5 years old and the packages on the system are not up to date with the versions needed for FS. Sometimes users find a way around it or it ends up back-ported.
Ubuntu is indeed designed for a desktop user. Some may have had success with using it for a server because, after all, its just linux and you can choose to not run the GUI. The main reason everyone recommends Jessie is because we just spent an entire year synchronizing all of our dependancies and packaging FreeSWITCH to run in that platform. Other platforms are possible too but each individual platform takes many many man-months of effort to properly resolve all of the dependancies.
To someone who just wants to use software, the complexity of packaging and distros is lost.
Most of the quotes you listed are snarky in nature but are related to countless fighting with Ubuntu trying to get things to build and general annoyances. The issues in 12.04 are real, its because the kernel is older and does not support newer hardware as well and there tends to be problems in the openssl as its being carefully back-ported with patches. It already takes some non-standard or manually built libraries to get it working. 14.x has a better chance but there is not enough effort by the community to try to fully support it at this time.
So short version is, if you don't care that much you have a much better chance of having it work out of the box on Debian. If you don't use the Video features and you are adventurous, you can certainly use Ubuntu even with success but you will possibly end up with more snarky comments if you hit a nerve on someone you ask for help who remembers some past battle trying to get it working.
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Blake Priddy < bpriddy@bryantschools.org <mailto:bpriddy@bryantschools.org>> wrote:
I have had several run ins with Ubuntu 14 and 12 where it would be just bad FS hangs. I would have to get into the cli to get it to unhang. I would get to the point where I would just keep a cli connection open just to keep the client from calling and telling me they can't dial out. I cannot replicate the issue because its very random. but it is definitely distro related. I would switch before you go in to deep with configurations.
On Aug 20, 2015 12:21 PM, "Saumar Hajjar" <saumar@uol.com.br <mailto:saumar@uol.com.br>> wrote:
Hi,
Those statements have been made in this list: "Whoever convinced you to use ubuntu must have been mad at you." "Ubuntu is really for desktops if you ask me. I would never put anything production on Ubuntu. Way to much bloat." "There are multiple known issues with Ubuntu 12.04. We reccomend Debian 8 Jessie."
I have a system in production with a headless (of course) Ubuntu 14.04 with FS compiled from source (1.4.19). It seems to be running fine. Nothing fancy and it's not heavy loaded (yet).
Is there any JIRA ticket that confirms that Ubuntu is to blame for some bad behavior? Are there any "known issues" with Ubuntu that I need to be aware of, documented elsewhere? If Ubuntu is not suited to run FS, I'll be glad to switch distros. But please, provide some evidence, otherwise some of you seem to be forcing consensus and trowing Ubuntu under the bus.
Cheers,
Saumar
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You don't need the new video dependencies, but, MANY other libs were moved to use system dependencies. You do need many of those. Several are required, others are necessary if you want things like codecs.
On Aug 20, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Oleg Stolyar <olegstolyar@gmail.com> wrote:
Just to make sure:
If I want to use 1.6 but do not need video, I still need all the new dependencies, right? There is no way to disable some video related modules and build like 1.4?
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Michael Jerris <mike@jerris.com <mailto:mike@jerris.com>> wrote: When tony said there were multiple man months put into getting dependencies right for Jessie for 1.6, he was not exaggerating. This makes no difference at all if you are building from source or using our Freeswitch packages. 1.6 uses significantly more system libraries, if you are building from master, you will have to address all these dependency issues. This isn't a matter of a simple wiki page of known issues, there are many dozens of things you have to get right. This work has been mostly completed for centos 7 (missing MP3 and h264 support due to missing dependencies in the distro) and is in the works for windows. We welcome anyone who wants to put the time in to do this work on other operating systems and we are willing to work closely and knowledge transfer everything necessary as we did working on centos, but you will need to be well versed in packaging for the distro and prepared to spend significant time getting it all working.
On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Nathan Neulinger <nneul@mst.edu <mailto:nneul@mst.edu>> wrote: I suppose the same can be said for running it on Fedora... ;) (guilty as charged)
Though I am likely going to be moving to a 14.04 based system going forward. I'm not using any pre-built packages though, so expect I already have to deal with most of those sorts of issues regardless.
It would be potentially useful to see a simple one-page table on the wiki detailing these sorts of known problems and comments relative to specific distros.
It would be perfectly fine to say "dependency hell on this platform, not worth the hassle" - but for those of us who always build from source anyway - it's helpful to distinguish between "impossible to install from packages because of missing deps/etc" vs "combination of kernel and bad compiler gcc x.yy that comes with this OS causes horrible audio sync issues" (hypothetical example only)
-- Nathan
On 08/20/2015 12:56 PM, Anthony Minessale wrote:
The main issue on ubuntu 12 is that its 5 years old and the packages on the system are not up to date with the versions needed for FS. Sometimes users find a way around it or it ends up back-ported.
Ubuntu is indeed designed for a desktop user. Some may have had success with using it for a server because, after all, its just linux and you can choose to not run the GUI. The main reason everyone recommends Jessie is because we just spent an entire year synchronizing all of our dependancies and packaging FreeSWITCH to run in that platform. Other platforms are possible too but each individual platform takes many many man-months of effort to properly resolve all of the dependancies.
To someone who just wants to use software, the complexity of packaging and distros is lost.
Most of the quotes you listed are snarky in nature but are related to countless fighting with Ubuntu trying to get things to build and general annoyances. The issues in 12.04 are real, its because the kernel is older and does not support newer hardware as well and there tends to be problems in the openssl as its being carefully back-ported with patches. It already takes some non-standard or manually built libraries to get it working. 14.x has a better chance but there is not enough effort by the community to try to fully support it at this time.
So short version is, if you don't care that much you have a much better chance of having it work out of the box on Debian. If you don't use the Video features and you are adventurous, you can certainly use Ubuntu even with success but you will possibly end up with more snarky comments if you hit a nerve on someone you ask for help who remembers some past battle trying to get it working.
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Blake Priddy <bpriddy@bryantschools.org <> <mailto:bpriddy@bryantschools.org <>>> wrote:
I have had several run ins with Ubuntu 14 and 12 where it would be just bad FS hangs. I would have to get into the cli to get it to unhang. I would get to the point where I would just keep a cli connection open just to keep the client from calling and telling me they can't dial out. I cannot replicate the issue because its very random. but it is definitely distro related. I would switch before you go in to deep with configurations.
On Aug 20, 2015 12:21 PM, "Saumar Hajjar" <saumar@uol.com.br <> <mailto:saumar@uol.com.br <>>> wrote:
Hi,
Those statements have been made in this list: "Whoever convinced you to use ubuntu must have been mad at you." "Ubuntu is really for desktops if you ask me. I would never put anything production on Ubuntu. Way to much bloat." "There are multiple known issues with Ubuntu 12.04. We reccomend Debian 8 Jessie."
I have a system in production with a headless (of course) Ubuntu 14.04 with FS compiled from source (1.4.19). It seems to be running fine. Nothing fancy and it's not heavy loaded (yet).
Is there any JIRA ticket that confirms that Ubuntu is to blame for some bad behavior? Are there any "known issues" with Ubuntu that I need to be aware of, documented elsewhere? If Ubuntu is not suited to run FS, I'll be glad to switch distros. But please, provide some evidence, otherwise some of you seem to be forcing consensus and trowing Ubuntu under the bus.
Cheers,
Saumar
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participants (8)
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Anthony Minessale
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Blake Priddy
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Ken Rice
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Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
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Michael Jerris
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Nathan Neulinger
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Oleg Stolyar
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Saumar Hajjar