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Today's Topics:
1. Re: FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum? (Ben Langfeld)
2. Big conferences (David Knell)
3. Re: FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum? (Jason White)
4. Re: FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum? (Madovsky)
5. Re: FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum? (Wellie Chao)
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From: Ben Langfeld <ben@langfeld.co.uk>
To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 00:44:02 +0000
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum?
There may be a forum, but such a thing cannot be expected to succeed if there's competition with an already established list. Such a thing would have to replace the mailing list to succeed. I believe this would help the FreeSWITCH effort amongst newer users and lead to much faster growth. The barrier to entry of a mailing list is a tad too high for some since it presents an impression, justified or not, that the list is where the elite hang out and is off-limits for newbies, whereas with a tidier forum setup that would allow for a "Newbies Corner" might avoid this. Mailing lists are showing their age these days - as demonstrated by the difficulty in responding to this on digest mode - I have to strip away every other thread first.I'm convinced that a full shift to newer, better organised and more friendly technology would only be a good thing for the FreeSWITCH project. Does anyone agree, or am I out on my own on this one?
Regards,
Ben Langfeld
Wave > Email
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:11 AM, <freeswitch-users-request@lists.freeswitch.org> wrote:
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From: Michael S Collins <msc@freeswitch.org>
To: "freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org" <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org>
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:54:15 -0700
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum?There *IS* a forum. A volunteer set it up a few years ago and promised to maintain it. The fact that you can't find it is proof positive that a forum just isn't the best choice for this particular online community. I'd say the nabble site is your best option.-MC
Sent from my iPhoneIt's been brought up before. I don't recall exactly all the +/- discussed but there are some alternatives for the user depending on their preference. Digest can get a bit annoying in high volume. The list is archived in various places (Gmane.org,nabble.com)
Nabble does provide a forum style interface to the current list if you rather follow it that way.
http://n2.nabble.com/freeswitch-users-f2379917.html
"This forum is an archive for the mailing list: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org (more options) Messages posted here will be sent to this mailing list."
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From: David Knell <dave@3c.co.uk>
To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:50:51 -0600
Subject: [Freeswitch-users] Big conferences
Hi -
I've seen the odd query on the list about building and scaling large
audio conferences. Given that most callers will be listen-only, it's
possible to scale up by transmitting a single RTP stream to multiple
callers.
Here's some proof-of-concept code, which roughly halves the CPU usage
for a 200-user (plus one speaker) conference, written in that highest of
performance languages, Perl:
http://www.softivr.com/wiki/index.php/HP_Conferencing
--Dave
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From: Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net>
To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:13:59 +1100
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum?
Ben Langfeld <ben@langfeld.co.uk> wrote:
> There may be a forum, but such a thing cannot be expected to succeed if
> there's competition with an already established list. Such a thing would
> have to replace the mailing list to succeed. I believe this would help the
> FreeSWITCH effort amongst newer users and lead to much faster growth. The
> barrier to entry of a mailing list is a tad too high for some since it
> presents an impression, justified or not, that the list is where the elite
> hang out and is off-limits for newbies, whereas with a tidier forum setup
> that would allow for a "Newbies Corner" might avoid this. Mailing lists are
> showing their age these days - as demonstrated by the difficulty in
> responding to this on digest mode - I have to strip away every other thread
> first.
Experienced users of mailing lists don't use digest mode. They filter the
mailing list into its own mail folder and use features of their mail user
agent to read it efficiently, e.g., threaded display.
I support to the existence of a Web interface to the mailing list, but I would
strongly object to any attempt to replace the list with a "Web forum", for a
number of reasons. In particular, if this were to happen, I know that I would
find it difficult to participate, perhaps impossible.
With a mailing list, I have a choice of software with which to read it, and I
have chosen carefully based on my accessibility needs and personal preferences
so that I can read and interact with mail efficiently. The problem with a Web
forum is that I have no choice: I would have to use a Web-based interface to
read and post messages, moreover, a Web interface provided by the forum
itself. Unfortunately, Web interfaces can't match my customized mail
environment for productivity; some of them are highly inaccessible to people
with disabilities, and they don't offer the flexibility of choosing and
customizing one's own client software that mailing lists and NNTP newsgroups
provide. Web fora are slow and difficult for me to use, at best, and impossible at worst, and I doubt that I am alone here.
So, I'm in favour of a Web interface but strongly against anything that
wouldn't also allow mailing list participation or offer NNTP access. That is,
I'm in favour of diversity and opposed to excluding people by forcing everyone
to use a single user interface - one provided by forum software.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Madovsky" <infos@madovsky.org>
To: <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org>
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 21:15:48 -0400
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum?
I agree, but after 2 months iregisteredI must to confess that I really like this kind of anarchy.It helps newbies to go quickly in the mood, elite to worktheir human feels and sometimes fresh energy and ideas can also helpthe old elite to push some intensity...Regards----- Original Message -----From: Ben LangfeldSent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 8:44 PMSubject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum?There may be a forum, but such a thing cannot be expected to succeed if there's competition with an already established list. Such a thing would have to replace the mailing list to succeed. I believe this would help the FreeSWITCH effort amongst newer users and lead to much faster growth. The barrier to entry of a mailing list is a tad too high for some since it presents an impression, justified or not, that the list is where the elite hang out and is off-limits for newbies, whereas with a tidier forum setup that would allow for a "Newbies Corner" might avoid this. Mailing lists are showing their age these days - as demonstrated by the difficulty in responding to this on digest mode - I have to strip away every other thread first.I'm convinced that a full shift to newer, better organised and more friendly technology would only be a good thing for the FreeSWITCH project. Does anyone agree, or am I out on my own on this one?
Regards,
Ben Langfeld
Wave > Email
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:11 AM, <freeswitch-users-request@lists.freeswitch.org> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Michael S Collins <msc@freeswitch.org>
To: "freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org" <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org>
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:54:15 -0700
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum?
There *IS* a forum. A volunteer set it up a few years ago and promised to maintain it. The fact that you can't find it is proof positive that a forum just isn't the best choice for this particular online community. I'd say the nabble site is your best option.-MC
Sent from my iPhoneIt's been brought up before. I don't recall exactly all the +/- discussed but there are some alternatives for the user depending on their preference. Digest can get a bit annoying in high volume. The list is archived in various places (Gmane.org,nabble.com)
Nabble does provide a forum style interface to the current list if you rather follow it that way.
http://n2.nabble.com/freeswitch-users-f2379917.html
"This forum is an archive for the mailing list: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org (more options) Messages posted here will be sent to this mailing list."
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From: Wellie Chao <wchao@yahoo.com>
To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 21:30:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum?
I agree pretty strongly with Jason's viewpoint, and for the very same
reasons. Not against a web forum, but other options (such as web forum)
ought to be additional as opposed to in place of. Mailing lists might be
"showing their age", but that's because they work. Procmail + Alpine works
great, or an NNTP client is also perfectly fine. For people who want web
access, there are web interfaces (like Nabble).
-------------------------------------
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:13:59 +1100
From: Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net>
Reply-To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org
To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum?
Ben Langfeld <ben@langfeld.co.uk> wrote:
> There may be a forum, but such a thing cannot be expected to succeed if
> there's competition with an already established list. Such a thing would
> have to replace the mailing list to succeed. I believe this would help the
> FreeSWITCH effort amongst newer users and lead to much faster growth. The
> barrier to entry of a mailing list is a tad too high for some since it
> presents an impression, justified or not, that the list is where the elite
> hang out and is off-limits for newbies, whereas with a tidier forum setup
> that would allow for a "Newbies Corner" might avoid this. Mailing lists are
> showing their age these days - as demonstrated by the difficulty in
> responding to this on digest mode - I have to strip away every other thread
> first.
Experienced users of mailing lists don't use digest mode. They filter the
mailing list into its own mail folder and use features of their mail user
agent to read it efficiently, e.g., threaded display.
I support to the existence of a Web interface to the mailing list, but I would
strongly object to any attempt to replace the list with a "Web forum", for a
number of reasons. In particular, if this were to happen, I know that I would
find it difficult to participate, perhaps impossible.
With a mailing list, I have a choice of software with which to read it, and I
have chosen carefully based on my accessibility needs and personal preferences
so that I can read and interact with mail efficiently. The problem with a Web
forum is that I have no choice: I would have to use a Web-based interface to
read and post messages, moreover, a Web interface provided by the forum
itself. Unfortunately, Web interfaces can't match my customized mail
environment for productivity; some of them are highly inaccessible to people
with disabilities, and they don't offer the flexibility of choosing and
customizing one's own client software that mailing lists and NNTP newsgroups
provide. Web fora are slow and difficult for me to use, at best, and impossible at worst, and I doubt that I am alone here.
So, I'm in favour of a Web interface but strongly against anything that
wouldn't also allow mailing list participation or offer NNTP access. That is,
I'm in favour of diversity and opposed to excluding people by forcing everyone
to use a single user interface - one provided by forum software.
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