[Freeswitch-dev] YAML support as an alternative of XML for configuration
Hi everyone - I really love this project... I love the design you guys took with FS, I love the stability, the features, the openness of it, it's the VoIP platform I always dreamed of it... FreeSWITCH is what Asterisk should have been. But I just don't like one thing: XML. I also don't intend to create a flame war or troll with this thread, please take this as a suggestion of someone that really wants to use FS... XML is the only reason why I still stay with Asterisk, I just can't like XML, and I don't like Asterisk as well, I want FreeSWITCH stability, features, etc, but I can't like XML, not even if I try to, it's too slow to use/write, verbose and complex. As a sysadmin point of view, I prefer parameter=value but I realize the advantages of XML (data serialization, etc), this is also why I don't use mod_dialplan_asterisk, because I think it's time for something better than INI files, but XML isn't for me, I'm a Linux/UNIX guy and I don't want a GUI either, I love CLI, but I want something simple to use, read and write, and I think YAML is the best of the both worlds. I would like to have more than one option to configure FreeSWITCH, also, not everyone likes to do the same thing the same way and it would be really cool if FS gives this freedom to people... I would really like to see YAML as a configuration option in FreeSWITCH, give me this any day and I swear I don't toch Asterisk _ever again_, YAML can be used for data serialization and it's more simple than XML, Ruby projects like Rails uses it. Take a look here: http://yaml.org/spec/1.2/ http://yaml.org/ "YAML™ (rhymes with "camel") is a human-friendly, cross language, Unicode based data serialization language designed around the common native data types of agile programming languages. It is broadly useful for programming needs ranging from configuration files to Internet messaging to object persistence to data auditing. Together with the Unicode standard for characters, this specification provides all the information necessary to understand YAML Version 1.2 and to create programs that process YAML information. " Please consider it, I'm also willing to pay for a mod_yaml, other than this I really love FreeSWITCH and I think it's great, I will switch in a heartbeat if you guys add support for it ;-) Best regards, Diego
I am afraid that the xml is not a modular part of the system, it is quite integral to the freeswitch configuration engine. Perhaps you could look at programatically generating the xml or freeswitch may not be the best project for you. Also, please refrain from posting the same message to multiple lists. Thanks Mike On Jun 26, 2008, at 10:07 PM, Diego Viola wrote:
Hi everyone -
I really love this project... I love the design you guys took with FS, I love the stability, the features, the openness of it, it's the VoIP platform I always dreamed of it... FreeSWITCH is what Asterisk should have been.
But I just don't like one thing: XML.
I also don't intend to create a flame war or troll with this thread, please take this as a suggestion of someone that really wants to use FS... XML is the only reason why I still stay with Asterisk, I just can't like XML, and I don't like Asterisk as well, I want FreeSWITCH stability, features, etc, but I can't like XML, not even if I try to, it's too slow to use/write, verbose and complex.
As a sysadmin point of view, I prefer parameter=value but I realize the advantages of XML (data serialization, etc), this is also why I don't use mod_dialplan_asterisk, because I think it's time for something better than INI files, but XML isn't for me, I'm a Linux/UNIX guy and I don't want a GUI either, I love CLI, but I want something simple to use, read and write, and I think YAML is the best of the both worlds.
I would like to have more than one option to configure FreeSWITCH, also, not everyone likes to do the same thing the same way and it would be really cool if FS gives this freedom to people...
I would really like to see YAML as a configuration option in FreeSWITCH, give me this any day and I swear I don't toch Asterisk _ever again_, YAML can be used for data serialization and it's more simple than XML, Ruby projects like Rails uses it.
Take a look here:
http://yaml.org/spec/1.2/ http://yaml.org/
"YAML™ (rhymes with "camel") is a human-friendly, cross language, Unicode based data serialization language designed around the common native data types of agile programming languages. It is broadly useful for programming needs ranging from configuration files to Internet messaging to object persistence to data auditing. Together with the Unicode standard for characters, this specification provides all the information necessary to understand YAML Version 1.2 and to create programs that process YAML information. "
Please consider it, I'm also willing to pay for a mod_yaml, other than this I really love FreeSWITCH and I think it's great, I will switch in a heartbeat if you guys add support for it ;-)
Best regards,
Diego
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Just one note for XML: If you don't like the speed, then use Fast Infoset. As an example, writing the FS CDRs with the same XML schema, but Fast Infoset encoded, reduces the size by about 50%, with GZIP on top of it giving another 50%. (So total, 4K->1K.) Parsing is much faster too (2-10x depending which benchmark). All you have to do is switch out the actual reader/writer with a Fast Infoset one - its XML formatted otherwise (so as long as your XML API has some level of abstraction, you're good to go). OTOH, YAML takes some ideas from RFC 822, just like SIP. So you know that means its good. -Michael -----Original Message----- From: freeswitch-dev-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-dev-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Diego Viola Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:08 PM To: freeswitch-dev@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: [Freeswitch-dev] YAML support as an alternative of XML for configuration Hi everyone - I really love this project... I love the design you guys took with FS, I love the stability, the features, the openness of it, it's the VoIP platform I always dreamed of it... FreeSWITCH is what Asterisk should have been. But I just don't like one thing: XML. I also don't intend to create a flame war or troll with this thread, please take this as a suggestion of someone that really wants to use FS... XML is the only reason why I still stay with Asterisk, I just can't like XML, and I don't like Asterisk as well, I want FreeSWITCH stability, features, etc, but I can't like XML, not even if I try to, it's too slow to use/write, verbose and complex. As a sysadmin point of view, I prefer parameter=value but I realize the advantages of XML (data serialization, etc), this is also why I don't use mod_dialplan_asterisk, because I think it's time for something better than INI files, but XML isn't for me, I'm a Linux/UNIX guy and I don't want a GUI either, I love CLI, but I want something simple to use, read and write, and I think YAML is the best of the both worlds. I would like to have more than one option to configure FreeSWITCH, also, not everyone likes to do the same thing the same way and it would be really cool if FS gives this freedom to people... I would really like to see YAML as a configuration option in FreeSWITCH, give me this any day and I swear I don't toch Asterisk _ever again_, YAML can be used for data serialization and it's more simple than XML, Ruby projects like Rails uses it. Take a look here: http://yaml.org/spec/1.2/ http://yaml.org/ "YAML(tm) (rhymes with "camel") is a human-friendly, cross language, Unicode based data serialization language designed around the common native data types of agile programming languages. It is broadly useful for programming needs ranging from configuration files to Internet messaging to object persistence to data auditing. Together with the Unicode standard for characters, this specification provides all the information necessary to understand YAML Version 1.2 and to create programs that process YAML information. " Please consider it, I'm also willing to pay for a mod_yaml, other than this I really love FreeSWITCH and I think it's great, I will switch in a heartbeat if you guys add support for it ;-) Best regards, Diego _______________________________________________ Freeswitch-dev mailing list Freeswitch-dev@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-dev UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-dev http://www.freeswitch.org
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Diego Viola
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Michael Giagnocavo
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Michael Jerris