<div dir="ltr"><div><div>is an audio conference.<br><br></div>what I would look into is something on these lines: have a conference with only the speakers. Put the listeners on music on hold, and use the conference output as music on hold stream. Give the listeners a bind meta key for being connected to the conference if they need to speak.<br><br></div>-giovanni<br><div><div><br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 April 2018 at 21:45, Madovsky <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:infos@madovsky.org" target="_blank">infos@madovsky.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Latency is often caused by buffer and high quality video.</p>
    <p>if you really need zero latency so find a way to set the buffer
      stream to zero and use</p>
    <p>a very fast video encoding.<br>
    </p><div><div class="h5">
    <div class="m_4030190723390553496moz-cite-prefix">On 4/20/2018 10:29 AM, Abaci B wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">
        <div>
          <div>
            <div>
              <div>I do understand that the way mod_conference work it
                is not efficient for my use case, my question is about
                the best alternative.<br>
              </div>
              Streaming would be ideal if it wouldn't be for the
              latency, since users need to be able to switch to talk
              mode there is no way a latency of 5-10 seconds (or
              possibly more) is acceptable.<br>
            </div>
            Another option is to use eavesdrop which I plan on testing
            next week to see if it scales, if someone has any input on
            it I would appreciate.<br>
          </div>
          The next option would be to optimize mod_conference for this
          use case, I started looking at the code and identified some
          places that performance can be optimized but may need to hire
          someone with better C skills to do the actual coding.<br>
        </div>
        another possibility may be, to use an RTP proxy that would just
        distribute the RTP to all callers, this would give the best
        performance but would limit features.<br>
        Last option would be to develop a new module optimized for low
        latency streaming, but leave that as a last resort.<br>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 1:15 PM,
          Tihomir Culjaga <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tculjaga@gmail.com" target="_blank">tculjaga@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div dir="ltr">a conference with 1000 members demands huge
              resources... and this is not efficient if only 2-5% of
              members will actually talk.
              <div>you need to keep the actual conference to the minimum
                number of "speakers" and move listeners to a streaming
                "service".</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>so, focus on how to get your entire conference
                streamed somewhere.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>another thing to consider.... do the "listeners"
                really need to be in time sync with the conference ?
                They will just hear the conversation from the conference
                a bit later... thats all.</div>
              <span class="m_4030190723390553496HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>T.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
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                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
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                  <div><br>
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                </font></span></div>
            <div class="m_4030190723390553496HOEnZb">
              <div class="m_4030190723390553496h5">
                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On 20 April 2018 at 14:43,
                    Abaci B <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:abaci64@gmail.com" target="_blank">abaci64@gmail.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                      <div dir="ltr">problem with shoutcast streaming is
                        the extreme latency<br>
                      </div>
                      <div class="m_4030190723390553496m_6999837752394321025HOEnZb">
                        <div class="m_4030190723390553496m_6999837752394321025h5">
                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 20,
                              2018 at 1:30 AM, Giovanni Maruzzelli <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gmaruzz@gmail.com" target="_blank">gmaruzz@gmail.com</a>></span>
                              wrote:<br>
                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                <div dir="ltr">
                                  <div>you definitely want to have only
                                    the speakers into conference, and
                                    stream to all others.<br>
                                    <br>
                                  </div>
                                  -giovanni<br>
                                </div>
                                <div class="gmail_extra">
                                  <div>
                                    <div class="m_4030190723390553496m_6999837752394321025m_-2093314510862508429h5"><br>
                                      <div class="gmail_quote">On 19
                                        April 2018 at 23:37, Abaci B <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:abaci64@gmail.com" target="_blank">abaci64@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                        wrote:<br>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                            <div>
                                              <div>I was thinking that
                                                the muted flag
                                                (CAN_SPEAK?) is
                                                something that can
                                                change mid conference
                                                which means there is a
                                                chance of loosing a
                                                single frame (the last
                                                one right before
                                                muting). I was more
                                                interested in knowing as
                                                far as performance if it
                                                makes sense.<br>
                                              </div>
                                              not sure if this is safe
                                              but something like only
                                              starting
                                              conference_loop_launch_input
                                              if that flag is not set.<br>
                                            </div>
                                            I still wish there would be
                                            module that would do exactly
                                            this (something like
                                            shoutcast but local and
                                            without the shoutcast
                                            latency)<br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class="m_4030190723390553496m_6999837752394321025m_-2093314510862508429m_8392451737857495029HOEnZb">
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                                              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                  Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at
                                                  5:19 PM, Steven Ayre <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:steveayre@gmail.com" target="_blank">steveayre@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                  wrote:<br>
                                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                    <div dir="ltr">There's
                                                      already a muted
                                                      flag you could use
                                                      for that.</div>
                                                    <div class="m_4030190723390553496m_6999837752394321025m_-2093314510862508429m_8392451737857495029m_2531540266478605780HOEnZb">
                                                      <div class="m_4030190723390553496m_6999837752394321025m_-2093314510862508429m_8392451737857495029m_2531540266478605780h5">
                                                        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          19 April 2018
                                                          at 20:55,
                                                          Abaci B <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:abaci64@gmail.com" target="_blank">abaci64@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>Thanks
                                                          for the reply.<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          Another idea
                                                          I'm thinking
                                                          of is to add a
                                                          LISTEN_ONLY
                                                          mflag to
                                                          mod_conference
                                                          and only run
                                                          conference_loop_input
                                                          thread on
                                                          channels that
                                                          don't have
                                                          this flag,
                                                          that way I
                                                          don't need to
                                                          set up a
                                                          shoutcast
                                                          server and
                                                          have
                                                          everything
                                                          contained
                                                          within
                                                          freeswitch,
                                                          does that make
                                                          sense?<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="m_4030190723390553496m_6999837752394321025m_-2093314510862508429m_8392451737857495029m_2531540266478605780m_242112954668128721HOEnZb">
                                                          <div class="m_4030190723390553496m_6999837752394321025m_-2093314510862508429m_8392451737857495029m_2531540266478605780m_242112954668128721h5">
                                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Thu, Apr 19,
                                                          2018 at 3:20
                                                          PM, Giovanni
                                                          Maruzzelli <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gmaruzz@gmail.com" target="_blank">gmaruzz@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div dir="auto">definitely
                                                          conference
                                                          with two
                                                          participant,
                                                          and 598 on
                                                          localstream
                                                          <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="auto">-giovanni</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div class="m_4030190723390553496m_6999837752394321025m_-2093314510862508429m_8392451737857495029m_2531540266478605780m_242112954668128721m_-1316602749522260073h5">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">On
                                                          Thu, Apr 19,
                                                          2018, 18:38
                                                          Abaci B <<a href="mailto:abaci64@gmail.com" target="_blank">abaci64@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div class="m_4030190723390553496m_6999837752394321025m_-2093314510862508429m_8392451737857495029m_2531540266478605780m_242112954668128721m_-1316602749522260073h5">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>Hi,<br>
                                                          I'm trying to
                                                          set up a large
                                                          audio
                                                          conference of
                                                          over 1000
                                                          users where
                                                          only 1 or 2
                                                          users are
                                                          talking and
                                                          the rest are
                                                          just
                                                          listening, but
                                                          after 600-700
                                                          users the CPU
                                                          usage gets too
                                                          high and the
                                                          audio gets
                                                          choppy, I
                                                          understand
                                                          that
                                                          mod_conference
                                                          is not
                                                          optimized for
                                                          my use case
                                                          but was
                                                          wondering if
                                                          someone has
                                                          any
                                                          suggestions on
                                                          what can be
                                                          done to
                                                          optimize for
                                                          my use case.<br>
                                                          I was also
                                                          thinking that
                                                          maybe there is
                                                          a  better
                                                          alternative
                                                          for what I
                                                          look for, such
                                                          as having just
                                                          the talkers on
                                                          the conference
                                                          and the
                                                          listeners
                                                          should listen
                                                          to it via
                                                          mod_local_stream
                                                          or maybe use
                                                          something like
                                                          eavesdrop for
                                                          the listeners
                                                          but not sure
                                                          if and how
                                                          much
                                                          performance I
                                                          would gain.<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          Thanks for any
                                                          help or input<br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                    <a href="http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.freeswitch.org/ma<wbr>ilman/listinfo/freeswitch-user<wbr>s</a><br>
                                                    UNSUBSCRIBE:<a href="http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.frees<wbr>witch.org/mailman/options/free<wbr>switch-users</a><br>
                                                    <a href="http://www.freeswitch.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitch.org</a><br>
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                                          ______________________________<wbr>______________________________<wbr>_____________<br>
                                          Professional FreeSWITCH
                                          Consulting Services:<br>
                                          <a href="mailto:consulting@freeswitch.org" target="_blank">consulting@freeswitch.org</a><br>
                                          <a href="http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitchsolutions<wbr>.com</a><br>
                                          <br>
                                          Official FreeSWITCH Sites<br>
                                          <a href="http://www.freeswitch.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitch.org</a><br>
                                          <a href="http://confluence.freeswitch.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://confluence.freeswitch.o<wbr>rg</a><br>
                                          <a href="http://www.cluecon.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.cluecon.com</a><br>
                                          <br>
                                          FreeSWITCH-users mailing list<br>
                                          <a href="mailto:FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswi<wbr>tch.org</a><br>
                                          <a href="http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.freeswitch.org/ma<wbr>ilman/listinfo/freeswitch-user<wbr>s</a><br>
                                          UNSUBSCRIBE:<a href="http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.frees<wbr>witch.org/mailman/options/free<wbr>switch-users</a><br>
                                          <a href="http://www.freeswitch.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitch.org</a><br>
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                                  <span class="m_4030190723390553496m_6999837752394321025m_-2093314510862508429HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">-- <br>
                                      <div class="m_4030190723390553496m_6999837752394321025m_-2093314510862508429m_8392451737857495029gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
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                                                Sincerely,<br>
                                              </span><span><font color="#888888"><br>
                                                  Giovanni Maruzzelli<br>
                                                  OpenTelecom.IT</font></span><br>
                                              <span>cell: +39 347 266 56
                                                18<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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                                <br>
                                ______________________________<wbr>______________________________<wbr>_____________<br>
                                Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting
                                Services:<br>
                                <a href="mailto:consulting@freeswitch.org" target="_blank">consulting@freeswitch.org</a><br>
                                <a href="http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitchsolutions<wbr>.com</a><br>
                                <br>
                                Official FreeSWITCH Sites<br>
                                <a href="http://www.freeswitch.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitch.org</a><br>
                                <a href="http://confluence.freeswitch.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://confluence.freeswitch.o<wbr>rg</a><br>
                                <a href="http://www.cluecon.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.cluecon.com</a><br>
                                <br>
                                FreeSWITCH-users mailing list<br>
                                <a href="mailto:FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswi<wbr>tch.org</a><br>
                                <a href="http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.freeswitch.org/ma<wbr>ilman/listinfo/freeswitch-user<wbr>s</a><br>
                                UNSUBSCRIBE:<a href="http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.frees<wbr>witch.org/mailman/options/free<wbr>switch-users</a><br>
                                <a href="http://www.freeswitch.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitch.org</a><br>
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                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <br>
                      ______________________________<wbr>______________________________<wbr>_____________<br>
                      Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services:<br>
                      <a href="mailto:consulting@freeswitch.org" target="_blank">consulting@freeswitch.org</a><br>
                      <a href="http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitchsolutions<wbr>.com</a><br>
                      <br>
                      Official FreeSWITCH Sites<br>
                      <a href="http://www.freeswitch.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitch.org</a><br>
                      <a href="http://confluence.freeswitch.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://confluence.freeswitch.o<wbr>rg</a><br>
                      <a href="http://www.cluecon.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.cluecon.com</a><br>
                      <br>
                      FreeSWITCH-users mailing list<br>
                      <a href="mailto:FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswi<wbr>tch.org</a><br>
                      <a href="http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.freeswitch.org/ma<wbr>ilman/listinfo/freeswitch-user<wbr>s</a><br>
                      UNSUBSCRIBE:<a href="http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.frees<wbr>witch.org/mailman/options/free<wbr>switch-users</a><br>
                      <a href="http://www.freeswitch.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitch.org</a><br>
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              </div>
            </div>
            <br>
            ______________________________<wbr>______________________________<wbr>_____________<br>
            Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services:<br>
            <a href="mailto:consulting@freeswitch.org" target="_blank">consulting@freeswitch.org</a><br>
            <a href="http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitchsolutions<wbr>.com</a><br>
            <br>
            Official FreeSWITCH Sites<br>
            <a href="http://www.freeswitch.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitch.org</a><br>
            <a href="http://confluence.freeswitch.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://confluence.freeswitch.o<wbr>rg</a><br>
            <a href="http://www.cluecon.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.cluecon.com</a><br>
            <br>
            FreeSWITCH-users mailing list<br>
            <a href="mailto:FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswi<wbr>tch.org</a><br>
            <a href="http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.freeswitch.org/ma<wbr>ilman/listinfo/freeswitch-user<wbr>s</a><br>
            UNSUBSCRIBE:<a href="http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.frees<wbr>witch.org/mailman/options/<wbr>freeswitch-users</a><br>
            <a href="http://www.freeswitch.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitch.org</a><br>
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Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services:
<a class="m_4030190723390553496moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:consulting@freeswitch.org" target="_blank">consulting@freeswitch.org</a>
<a class="m_4030190723390553496moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com" target="_blank">http://www.<wbr>freeswitchsolutions.com</a>

Official FreeSWITCH Sites
<a class="m_4030190723390553496moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitch.org</a>
<a class="m_4030190723390553496moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://confluence.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">http://confluence.freeswitch.<wbr>org</a>
<a class="m_4030190723390553496moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.cluecon.com" target="_blank">http://www.cluecon.com</a>

FreeSWITCH-users mailing list
<a class="m_4030190723390553496moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">FreeSWITCH-users@lists.<wbr>freeswitch.org</a>
<a class="m_4030190723390553496moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users" target="_blank">http://lists.freeswitch.org/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-<wbr>users</a>
UNSUBSCRIBE:<a class="m_4030190723390553496moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users" target="_blank">http://lists.<wbr>freeswitch.org/mailman/<wbr>options/freeswitch-users</a>
<a class="m_4030190723390553496moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitch.org</a></pre>
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<br>______________________________<wbr>______________________________<wbr>_____________<br>
Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services:<br>
<a href="mailto:consulting@freeswitch.org">consulting@freeswitch.org</a><br>
<a href="http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.<wbr>freeswitchsolutions.com</a><br>
<br>
Official FreeSWITCH Sites<br>
<a href="http://www.freeswitch.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitch.org</a><br>
<a href="http://confluence.freeswitch.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://confluence.freeswitch.<wbr>org</a><br>
<a href="http://www.cluecon.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.cluecon.com</a><br>
<br>
FreeSWITCH-users mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org">FreeSWITCH-users@lists.<wbr>freeswitch.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.freeswitch.org/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-<wbr>users</a><br>
UNSUBSCRIBE:<a href="http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.<wbr>freeswitch.org/mailman/<wbr>options/freeswitch-users</a><br>
<a href="http://www.freeswitch.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitch.org</a><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><span><span><br>Sincerely,<br></span><span><font color="#888888"><br>
Giovanni Maruzzelli<br>
OpenTelecom.IT</font></span><br><span>cell: +39 347 266 56 18<span><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></span></span></div></div></div>
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