<div dir="ltr"><div><div>is an audio conference.<br><br></div>what I would look into is something on these lines: have a conference with only the speakers. Put the listeners on music on hold, and use the conference output as music on hold stream. Give the listeners a bind meta key for being connected to the conference if they need to speak.<br><br></div>-giovanni<br><div><div><br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 April 2018 at 21:45, Madovsky <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:infos@madovsky.org" target="_blank">infos@madovsky.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Latency is often caused by buffer and high quality video.</p>
<p>if you really need zero latency so find a way to set the buffer
stream to zero and use</p>
<p>a very fast video encoding.<br>
</p><div><div class="h5">
<div class="m_4030190723390553496moz-cite-prefix">On 4/20/2018 10:29 AM, Abaci B wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>I do understand that the way mod_conference work it
is not efficient for my use case, my question is about
the best alternative.<br>
</div>
Streaming would be ideal if it wouldn't be for the
latency, since users need to be able to switch to talk
mode there is no way a latency of 5-10 seconds (or
possibly more) is acceptable.<br>
</div>
Another option is to use eavesdrop which I plan on testing
next week to see if it scales, if someone has any input on
it I would appreciate.<br>
</div>
The next option would be to optimize mod_conference for this
use case, I started looking at the code and identified some
places that performance can be optimized but may need to hire
someone with better C skills to do the actual coding.<br>
</div>
another possibility may be, to use an RTP proxy that would just
distribute the RTP to all callers, this would give the best
performance but would limit features.<br>
Last option would be to develop a new module optimized for low
latency streaming, but leave that as a last resort.<br>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 1:15 PM,
Tihomir Culjaga <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tculjaga@gmail.com" target="_blank">tculjaga@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">a conference with 1000 members demands huge
resources... and this is not efficient if only 2-5% of
members will actually talk.
<div>you need to keep the actual conference to the minimum
number of "speakers" and move listeners to a streaming
"service".</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>so, focus on how to get your entire conference
streamed somewhere.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>another thing to consider.... do the "listeners"
really need to be in time sync with the conference ?
They will just hear the conversation from the conference
a bit later... thats all.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 20 April 2018 at 14:43,
Abaci B <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:abaci64@gmail.com" target="_blank">abaci64@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">problem with shoutcast streaming is
the extreme latency<br>
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2018 at 1:30 AM, Giovanni Maruzzelli <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gmaruzz@gmail.com" target="_blank">gmaruzz@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>you definitely want to have only
the speakers into conference, and
stream to all others.<br>
<br>
</div>
-giovanni<br>
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April 2018 at 23:37, Abaci B <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:abaci64@gmail.com" target="_blank">abaci64@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>
<div>I was thinking that
the muted flag
(CAN_SPEAK?) is
something that can
change mid conference
which means there is a
chance of loosing a
single frame (the last
one right before
muting). I was more
interested in knowing as
far as performance if it
makes sense.<br>
</div>
not sure if this is safe
but something like only
starting
conference_loop_launch_input
if that flag is not set.<br>
</div>
I still wish there would be
module that would do exactly
this (something like
shoutcast but local and
without the shoutcast
latency)<br>
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5:19 PM, Steven Ayre <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:steveayre@gmail.com" target="_blank">steveayre@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">There's
already a muted
flag you could use
for that.</div>
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at 20:55,
Abaci B <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:abaci64@gmail.com" target="_blank">abaci64@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div>Thanks
for the reply.<br>
</div>
Another idea
I'm thinking
of is to add a
LISTEN_ONLY
mflag to
mod_conference
and only run
conference_loop_input
thread on
channels that
don't have
this flag,
that way I
don't need to
set up a
shoutcast
server and
have
everything
contained
within
freeswitch,
does that make
sense?<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On
Thu, Apr 19,
2018 at 3:20
PM, Giovanni
Maruzzelli <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gmaruzz@gmail.com" target="_blank">gmaruzz@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="auto">definitely
conference
with two
participant,
and 598 on
localstream
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">-giovanni</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On
Thu, Apr 19,
2018, 18:38
Abaci B <<a href="mailto:abaci64@gmail.com" target="_blank">abaci64@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi,<br>
I'm trying to
set up a large
audio
conference of
over 1000
users where
only 1 or 2
users are
talking and
the rest are
just
listening, but
after 600-700
users the CPU
usage gets too
high and the
audio gets
choppy, I
understand
that
mod_conference
is not
optimized for
my use case
but was
wondering if
someone has
any
suggestions on
what can be
done to
optimize for
my use case.<br>
I was also
thinking that
maybe there is
a better
alternative
for what I
look for, such
as having just
the talkers on
the conference
and the
listeners
should listen
to it via
mod_local_stream
or maybe use
something like
eavesdrop for
the listeners
but not sure
if and how
much
performance I
would gain.<br>
</div>
Thanks for any
help or input<br>
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<br>______________________________<wbr>______________________________<wbr>_____________<br>
Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services:<br>
<a href="mailto:consulting@freeswitch.org">consulting@freeswitch.org</a><br>
<a href="http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.<wbr>freeswitchsolutions.com</a><br>
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Official FreeSWITCH Sites<br>
<a href="http://www.freeswitch.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitch.org</a><br>
<a href="http://confluence.freeswitch.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://confluence.freeswitch.<wbr>org</a><br>
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<a href="http://www.freeswitch.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitch.org</a><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><span><span><br>Sincerely,<br></span><span><font color="#888888"><br>
Giovanni Maruzzelli<br>
OpenTelecom.IT</font></span><br><span>cell: +39 347 266 56 18<span><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></span></span></div></div></div>
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