<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">You are not starting a fire at all. I understood you to be looking at wanting some better sort of forum. Mailman 3 as i said is the planned solution to this as it does a decent job combining a forum and mailing list together into one concept, in a way where we don’t have to monitor two different things separately and you get the best exposure. I totally understood what you were proposing, was letting you know what the blockers to moving forward on this are, and putting it out there a way that you could help the community by moving this process forward. Please jump in and assist in moving this process forward if you are willing and able. Thanks as always we appreciate the feedback about how we can foster a better community.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Mike<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 23, 2018, at 1:23 PM, Fred Pettersson <<a href="mailto:t90fpe@outlook.com" class="">t90fpe@outlook.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""></p><div class="">Thank you all for feedback. Remember this was just my 2-cents. I just want to highlight that I am not saying mailing-list communication is not working but there are better options IMO.<br class=""> <br class="">Just to clarify - I am talking about an online forum instead of the mailing list. To justify the old way just because some user can't use the search in an online forum is just for the wrong reason. How many can't use them today or even know it's there today. It's a shopping window. I know about the FS books, I've bought three of them (paper). They are good but they do not cover everything. I know about Confluence, ClueCon Weekly, I use YouTube to watch them etc. To be fair I think you are missing my point here :) I think there is room for a good place to have discussions with others in an easy to use online tool (forum could serve that).<br class=""><br class="">You know what's most "scary" about the whole thing? That's non of you does not even consider or elaborates about a change of this but tries to guide me how/were instead but I am talking about the community. Where is the spirit? :)<br class=""><br class="">As I said I don't want to start a fire here, I want the best for FreeSWITCH and make the community to grow. I honestly don't think mailman is the most efficient tool in terms of growing the community. I rest my case I don't want to start a big thing.<br class=""><br class="">Regards,<br class="">Fred</div><br class=""><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""></p></div><hr tabindex="-1" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; display: inline-block; width: 973.125px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""></span><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><b class="">Från:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>FreeSWITCH-users <<a href="mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org" class="">freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org</a>> för Giovanni Maruzzelli <<a href="mailto:gmaruzz@gmail.com" class="">gmaruzz@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Skickat:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>den 23 februari 2018 09:26:23<br class=""><b class="">Till:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>FreeSWITCH Users Help<br class=""><b class="">Ämne:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Freeswitch-users] My 2 cents - online community</font><div class=""> </div></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">also, don't forget there are 3 FreeSWITCH books out there, each of them available in ebook, pdf and printed paper format...<br class=""><br class=""></div>If you can't buy them, you can at least ask a friend in the know to provide them to you.<br class=""><br class=""></div>-giovanni<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="x_gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="x_gmail_quote">On 22 February 2018 at 21:35,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:krice@tollfreegateway.com" target="_blank" class="">krice@tollfreegateway.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="x_gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" class=""><div class="x_m_-5796971083787305538WordSection1"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">As Paul just said,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lists.freeswitch.org/" target="_blank" class="">lists.freeswitch.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>contains a complete archive of the mailing list. This site is heavily indexed by google.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">A hint for searching it is when you google use the “site:<a href="http://lists.freeswitch.org/" target="_blank" class="">lists.freeswitch.org</a>” or “site:<a href="http://freeswitch.org/" target="_blank" class="">freeswitch.org</a>” to restrict your google queries. This should return anything in the archive relevant to your actual query string.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">Have fun!<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">K<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><b class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>FreeSWITCH-users [mailto:<a href="mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org" target="_blank" class="">freeswitch-users-<wbr class="">bounces@lists.freeswitch.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Paul Zillmann<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, February 22, 2018 1:51 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org" target="_blank" class="">freeswitch-users@lists.<wbr class="">freeswitch.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Freeswitch-users] My 2 cents - online community<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class="x_h5"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Hello Fred,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">I think Google provides a good way of querying the mailing-list, given that the subject-line is good and the content isn't just a random "Hiiiiiiiii - how to solve command"<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Many projects in the unix-world including operating systems rely heavily on mailing-list communication. And that one works fine.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Could you state more precise what you mean by an online community board? In my understanding that would be a forum.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Some users aren't able to use the search functions in such forums either.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">By now I can't see a benefit of an "online community board".<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Besides the mailing-list you may participate in the weekly conference call and ClueCon weekly.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Aside from that: don't be afraid to ask on the list and try to apply the basic rules you'll find in many online forums: good titles, be respectful, and put some effort into your text.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Sincerely,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Paul<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></div><div class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Am 22.02.2018 um 17:33 schrieb Fred Pettersson:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div id="x_m_-5796971083787305538divtagdefaultwrapper" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Look I don't wanna start a fire here and have full respect for the team behind FreeSWITCH.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">It's 2018 right? I am talking about Evolution. Why doesn't the FreeSWITCH community have a more up to date online community board? I am talking about the mailing lists, why not use a tool to help the community a bit more and make it grow?<br class=""><br class="">Today I think it's hard to get a view of all the questions/answers and the mailing list archive is not that user friendly. If people more easy can search/browse for answers then less questions will be generated. I don't see a big and viable community as FreeSWITCH deserves IMO and I am certain of getting a online community board will increase the community in that sense. This is one of the first things I look for when getting a new component or trying to find help. I am still a beginner of FreeSWITCH even though I've followed the project for years and I know a community board would help me and most likely others.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">It's easy to scope/categorize the content of a community board and to allow certain discussions of possible configuration errors vs bugs etc, as a novice like my self I have a hard time to spot this and when I read answers like "bugs are not to discussed on the list - file a Jira". If you, like me, don't even know if this is a mistake by myself and get this kind of answer I really hesitate to ask.<br class=""><br class="">All I want is the best for FreeSWITCH. What do you think? <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">/Fred<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></body></html>