<p dir="ltr">You totally got me wrong.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I was trying to conciliate between the two parts. As someone reclaim the current state of systems. I won't try it again.</p>
<p dir="ltr">And answering your statement. What is your parameter to establish a distribution is still the same? I was able to build fs16 under centos6. It is still centos6, it was no easy. My productions servers have been running without issues.</p>
<p dir="ltr">As far as I remember, the only core lib I updated was alsa, because a module looking for a especific function. All others were new rpm's or updates and They were not part of core (like glib, dbus, udev just to name examples). Note I am talking about using RPM all time, I don't use tarballs as I agree with you that doing that breaks any distribution soul.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I disagree when you imply that you must match versions you use. If that would be true, many other big projects would not work. When back porting, You just must match what you need.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I agree this is a problem of any 5+ years support distribution; we just have to live with it. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Said this. I think the main topic of discussion was lost.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">Le 19 nov. 2015 5:32 PM, "Anthony Minessale" <<a href="mailto:anthony.minessale@gmail.com">anthony.minessale@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><br>On Thursday, November 19, 2015, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz <<a href="mailto:luis.daniel.lucio@gmail.com" target="_blank">luis.daniel.lucio@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">I think this is a big misunderstanding</p>
<p dir="ltr">Brian is right by saying the hard work is done. </p>
<p dir="ltr">But the position the FreeSWITCH project has taken about pushing Debian is a killer for the project.</p>
<p dir="ltr">It is very common that the favor becomes obligation. Specially for those who doesn't understand the open source thinking. But no one can push any one to do things.</p></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I do not appreciate the FUD. You clearly take for granted the burden of managing a project. Try to be more considerate.</div><div><br></div><div>If you know how to compile code, you can check out git master and go find the tarballs of every dependancy and build, install or make packages of it and it will work.</div><div>Our packages are a luxury designed to be used by community members who do not wish to take on the task themselves. If you do not like them, don't use them.<br></div><div><br></div><div>If you want to make CentOS work the same as Debian, you simply have to manually update all the depends to match the exact versions we use and deal with the cascading dependency yourself.</div><div>Once you are done, it will not be CentOS anymore because of all the modifications. The are behind on libraries because the longer time moves on the harder it is to update all the packages on the distro.</div><div>We only have resources for one permutation of this nightmare and with Debian we only have to deal with 2% of the problems CentOS currently has.</div><div>If CentOS finally decides to catch up, you will have an easier time getting things to work but that time is not now.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="gmail_quote">Le 19 nov. 2015 12:21 PM, "Brian West" <<a>brian@freeswitch.org</a>> a écrit :<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">You're highlighting why we have an open source community, its where the community steps up, helps figure this out and contributes the solution to the problem for all to benefit from, Its the least anyone could do thats running FreeSWITCH as the hardest part is already done for you for free! :)<div><br></div><div>/b</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:41 AM, Olgierd Ziolko <span dir="ltr"><<a>lists.fs-users@uce.pw</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">Hi*</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">But when it's cross-checked against inventory or network drawings he's going to be busted (and put in much worse position).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">Personally I find CentOS 7 waaaaaay too edgy for corporate requirements - we (as in my company) are running servers on specific OS version (inc. 6.5, but not 7), custom subset of software, sometimes with custom patches, customised (a whole lot) kernel, so I just can't afford throwing it all out the window just for the sake of using most recent packaged version (and when we're at packages: Debian's packaging is horrendous, how can't such simply systemd service file problem unresolved for months?).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">So I'm very on the Andrew's (the first) side.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">* hello everyone, I'm kind of fresh FreeSWITCH user and I'll try my best to contribute to the community (because I've already got so much). Thank you all.</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 November 2015 at 10:29, Andrew Cassidy <span dir="ltr"><<a>andrew@cassidywebservices.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">You can pass PCI-DSS with proper firewall rules. For example, if you FS server only needs to accept calls from certain IP addresses, firewalling it out will pass the automated tests easily.<div><br></div><div>I know it's not ideal, but I've managed to make unpatched Windows 2003 servers pass the automated tests just by hiding them behind a proxy. </div><div><br></div><div>I'm not condoning this practise, just timelines on that particular project required that they pass until we could upgrade them to Windows 2012. It bought us the time we needed</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On 19 November 2015 at 08:21, Andrew Keil <span dir="ltr"><<a>andrew.keil@visytel.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>
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the FreeSWITCH version 1.4.x branch is going end of life in early 2016, then obviously I need my client to migrate to the FreeSWITCH version 1.6.x branch ASAP. Is there a definite date when the FreeSWITCH version 1.4.x branch is going end of life?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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