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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Experience tells me that it’s likely that some (most?) service providers don’t have the technical competence to know any better. Their plan is:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Get the money<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Profit!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What’s customer service??<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sadly.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bote<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brian West<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 01 March, 2015 09:53<br><b>To:</b> FreeSWITCH Users Help<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Freeswitch-users] supporting multiple dtmf protocols<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Why do we keep letting these providers get away with this? Smh<br><br>On Sunday, March 1, 2015, ik <<a href="mailto:idokan@gmail.com">idokan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:50 PM, I put the Who? in Mishehu <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mishehu@freeswitch.org');" target="_blank">mishehu@freeswitch.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I see after all these years it's still the popular thing to think that Bezeq is the most terrible thing in the world. :-) Be thankful you don't have to deal with some American incumbent providers... Bezeq can be a walk in the park... :-)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You mean like answering with 200 OK on INVITE, getting 404 instead of "authentication require", dropping requests because I offer both Alaw and Ulaw and other horror stories around other SIP providers that I have worked with ? :P<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>DTMF handling can be a fun little source of headache in general.<br><br>To clarify, are you saying that midway through a call that the DTMF mode changes? Or are you saying that the DTMF mode for one call may be 2833 and the next call can randomly be inband audio? If you are saying that the mode changes during the call, what indication do you receive that this has happened?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Different types of payloads in RTP, you can see it also in wireshark when capturing with tcpdump <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>You can try the "liberal-dtmf" setting and see if that fixes the issue for you, but I believe that only allows SIP NOTIFY and 2833, and I don't believe it handles inband. (Hopefully somebody else will correct me if I'm mistaken.)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'll try this<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Thank you<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ido<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><pre><span style='color:#888888'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#888888'>Yossi Neiman<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#888888'>On 02/27/2015 05:08 AM, ik wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></pre></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hello,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>I have the misfortune of forced to use a telco named Bezeq - the biggest telco in Israel.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>The SIP trunk they provide is very problematic.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The one that I cannot overcome is that sometimes doing the call, it switches DTMF between Inband and rfc2833, and sometimes the whole DTMF sending is either inband or rfc2833 doing the entire call.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>I cannot make them to be more stable in this matter (I have tried talking with them), and I cannot replace them (I have tried to do so as well).<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>How can I deal with such mess ?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<br>Ido<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><pre>_________________________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services: <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','consulting@freeswitch.org');" target="_blank">consulting@freeswitch.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Official FreeSWITCH Sites<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitch.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://confluence.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">http://confluence.freeswitch.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.cluecon.com" target="_blank">http://www.cluecon.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>FreeSWITCH-users mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org');" target="_blank">FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users" target="_blank">http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>UNSUBSCRIBE:<a href="http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users" target="_blank">http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitch.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_________________________________________________________________________<br>Professional FreeSWITCH Consulting Services:<br><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','consulting@freeswitch.org');" target="_blank">consulting@freeswitch.org</a><br><a href="http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com</a><br><br>Official FreeSWITCH Sites<br><a href="http://www.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitch.org</a><br><a href="http://confluence.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">http://confluence.freeswitch.org</a><br><a href="http://www.cluecon.com" target="_blank">http://www.cluecon.com</a><br><br>FreeSWITCH-users mailing list<br><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org');" target="_blank">FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users" target="_blank">http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users</a><br>UNSUBSCRIBE:<a href="http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users" target="_blank">http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users</a><br><a href="http://www.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitch.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><p><b><i><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Brian West</span></i></b><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><a href="mailto:brian@freeswitch.org" target="_blank">brian@freeswitch.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><img border=0 id="_x0000_i1025" src="http://billing.freeswitch.org/templates/default/img/whmcslogo.png"></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><b><i><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>Twitter: @FreeSWITCH , @briankwest</span></i></b><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'><br><a href="http://www.freeswitchbook.com" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitchbook.com</a><br><a href="http://www.freeswitchcookbook.com" target="_blank">http://www.freeswitchcookbook.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>T:</span></b><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>+19184209001 | <b>F:</b>+19184209002 | <b>M:</b>+1918424WEST (9378)<br><b>iNUM:</b>+883 5100 1420 9001 | <b>ISN:</b>410*543 | <b>Skype:</b>briankwest</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>