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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Moved to bottom post, cause I am just
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On 12/10/2013 06:18 PM, Sean P Devoy wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">I am going to layout MY OPIONS on this
subject and just HOPE I do not offend anyone. Some of this
may be incorrect based on my limited understanding of FS. I
hope nobody takes offense, I truly LOVE THIS PRODUCT.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">First, about me and how I came to these
opinions. I am a Managing Partner in an internet business
services firm. Our name basically says what we do: Business
Focused Internet Systems, LLC. We have several major areas we
focus on. They are Campus Private Debit Card systems,
Standard Services that fall under the umbrella of "eCommerce,"
and Event Signup Internet Service (Primarily used by Swim
Schools to sell their Classes). The firm's name and business
model has changed several times as we grew, but we have
essentially been together since 1996.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">We always look at what "Businesses" want
their ideal computer based products to be: SIMPLE, FAST,
RELIABLE and CHEAP. You get 10 out of 10 for CHEAP. You get
9 out of 10 for FAST, and that is only based on my personal
experience with a small single processor server in my early
testing days. Everything I have read from people whose
opinions I trust says that should be 10 out of 10. Simple and
Reliable are two areas you do not score so high in, but with a
little focus on the right things there could be huge
improvements.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I started looking into VOIP as a way to
appear more professional from a group of home office folks. I
think we started with PHONE.COM and a "Virtual Office" setup.
It seemed cheap until we added all the actual pieces we needed
and saw it was a couple of hundred a month. So I started
researching the DIY approach. I found the Asterisk "Play Me"
CD.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I am referring to the distro from
asterisk where you boot this CD in a spare (usually old) PC,
answer a few questions and in MINUTES, poof you have your own
server. That demo then explains how to load Voip software on
your PC or configure your local VOIP phone. In less than an
hour, using hardware I had on hand, I had a working INTERNAL
ONLY phone switch. In the grand scheme of things, not all
that useful, but it makes a serious WOW demonstration. Yes it
ignores the complexities of VOIP Providers, Gateways, DIDs,
Termination and above all NAT, but it shows a working demo to
someone with NO experience in an hour. I will revisit this
when I talk about FS "SIMPLE" needs below.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">With regard to reliable, my experience
has been 3 out of 10. We were completely unprepared for all
the nagging issues of phones behind NAT firewall/routers. I
know LOTS of people will say "That is not a FS problem
though." I say if you are trying to land business customers
and it makes FS NOT work for them, it is YOUR problem. The
other reason for my (nasty) low rating was my last update on
the STABLE branch left me with a non-functioning FS server for
3 clients after hours on Friday. That simply CANNOT happen.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">So, now that I have made lots of people
mad because of my own shortcomings in SIP, NAT and FS, here is
what I need to really market this as a Business End User
Maintained Solution:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span><!--[endif]-->A
SIMPLE “Play Me” CD that installs fixed version of UNIX and FS
with limited functions THAT WORK out of the box on a LOCAL
LAN.<br>
(This is really just a user interactive Commercial to lead
them to you).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span><!--[endif]-->A
really kick butt “Let’s Build <b>MY</b> FreeSwitch” CD,
possibly in different “flavors” for the UNIX build of your
choice.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2
lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">a.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span><!--[endif]-->This
Could/Should include prompting for:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-1.5in;mso-text-indent-alt:-9.0pt;mso-list:l0
level3 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="mso-list:Ignore"><span style="font:7.0pt "Times
New Roman"">
</span>i.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman""> </span></span><!--[endif]-->What demo
Gateway (VOIP Provider) from our list?<br>
(With Click here to sign-up and deposit $5)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-1.5in;mso-text-indent-alt:-9.0pt;mso-list:l0
level3 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="mso-list:Ignore"><span style="font:7.0pt "Times
New Roman""> </span>ii.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span><!--[endif]-->What
Model Phones will be demoed?<br>
(Dare I ask for provisioning, or at least a printable config
guide for MY phones?)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-1.5in;mso-text-indent-alt:-9.0pt;mso-list:l0
level3 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="mso-list:Ignore"><span style="font:7.0pt "Times
New Roman""> </span>iii.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span><!--[endif]-->Extension
#s desired<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-1.5in;mso-text-indent-alt:-9.0pt;mso-list:l0
level3 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="mso-list:Ignore"><span style="font:7.0pt "Times
New Roman""> </span>iv.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span><!--[endif]-->Maybe
a checkbox list of desired features – INCLUDING Multitenant
config.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-1.5in;mso-text-indent-alt:-9.0pt;mso-list:l0
level3 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="mso-list:Ignore"><span style="font:7.0pt "Times
New Roman""> </span>v.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span><!--[endif]-->Anything
else we need to make this a DROP IN, fully functional working
Phone Switch<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span><!--[endif]-->A
similarly simple means to Add or Delete Features or at least
DIDs, Gateways and Extensions would be a knock out.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">4.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span><!--[endif]-->An
upgrade path that really works. Even when I run it
successfully, at a minimum I have to go back in and reset the
Multitenant settings.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I am admittedly from a Windows
background, but I don’t understand why I can’t just “download
the binaries” like I can for say MySQL? Granted for different
hardware cards more is needed. But for the basic IP BASED
everything “Vanilla” build, we should be able to provide
those.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">So, there you have it! Long Winded,
Opinionated and Inaccurate – it is just one of the many
services I provide. BUT …<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">“If you build it, they will come.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Of course Option 2 would be “Fill out
this Questionnaire”, pay the minimal fee ($50? $100? $250?)
and we will send you an install CD/DVD specific to your design
including a working Gateway with $5 of call credits. That
adds the touch of Professional Oversight of the build, but
lacks serious pizzazz for the “Show me NOW” internet user.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sean<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org">freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org">mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org</a>] On
Behalf Of Brian West<br>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 2:11 PM<br>
To: FreeSWITCH Users Help<br>
Subject: [Freeswitch-users] Olly olly oxen FreeSWITCH!</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">FreeSWITCHers,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Many commercial companies are
very secretive that they use FreeSWITCH in their
infrastructure, What can we do as a community to welcome
larger commercial involvement in FreeSWITCH as a community? I
would love to broaden our community out reach if possible.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">What does everyone else think?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Also don’t forget to follow us on
@freeswitch on twitter now! ;) PRETTY PLEASE!!!!!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">--<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Brian West<o:p></o:p></p>
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Sean,<br>
I must first say that I am not a FreeSwitch expert by any measure.
While a lot of what you say might sense from a build it and they
will come stand point, I feel that if you are going to offer a
solution as part of your business you had better know that solution
inside and out and what better way to learn than to start from
./configure && make && make install. This way you
can find any "gotchas" first hand, know how to fix them, and move on
to the next possible issue, many of which only come about in those
one off situations. I started my IT career about 15 years ago in my
late 30's as a Windows systems admin(and quickly moved to *nix). I
soon found that there were a lot of Windows admins that were really
good at point and click installs but when something went wrong they
were on the phone to MS support and paying mega dollars. In my
opinion, and I may well be wrong, this was due to their never having
had to learn the inner working of the software they were trying to
support. My typical "modus operandi" is to shy away from any GUI or
binary install until I can successfully build and run from scratch.<br>
Just my 2 cents (and it may not even be worth that)<br>
JohnM<br>
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