<div dir="ltr">I would advise against AQL for wholesale services, they are just another reseller aggregate but with *significantly* higher rates (26p/min to UK orange, what?!)<div><div><br></div><div>Their technical sales team are also difficult to work with, the majority of people I spoke to there clearly did not understand the product they were selling.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Avoid.</div><div><br></div><div>Cal</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Ben Langfeld <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ben@langfeld.co.uk" target="_blank">ben@langfeld.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Just curious where you guys see AQL fitting in that categorisation? I've used them in the past and they seem good. I also thought they were one of the bigger providers in the UK, but since no-one has mentioned them...</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 29 October 2013 07:39, Andrew Cassidy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andrew@cassidywebservices.co.uk" target="_blank">andrew@cassidywebservices.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I think the point to be made here is that your choice should be determined by your requirements and budget. As we know neither of those, we can't give you specific recommendations.<div>
<br></div><div>The majority of people I encounter use 'consumer' grade services, with or without their own equipment as necessary. That said these are largely small businesses.</div>
<div><br></div><div>In all seriousness there's always a best tool for the job and no one service that'll meet all needs.</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On 29 October 2013 08:42, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cal.leeming@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk" target="_blank">cal.leeming@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Let's be clear on definitions here;<div><br></div><div>BT, Kingston - Top of the food chain, only financially viable for those with lots of cash and traffic</div>
<div>Magrathea, Simwood, Gamma - Designed for wholesale, scalable to many millions of minutes per month.</div>
<div>SipGate, SureVoip, Gradwell, GBC - These providers are designed for consumers, only necessary if you are not running your own equipment</div><div>NumberGroup, Sol4 - they are essentially a reseller aggregate, or to be more blunt, an unnecessary middleman</div>
<div><br></div><div>If someone is running their own switch, why would you want to go with a consumer grade service which not only limits your CLI capabilities, but also increases complexity, affects latency and inflates call rates. Likewise, why would you go through a middleman when you could just go direct to the supplier with no minimum spend on outbound traffic? Though typically inbound does require a small min spend of around £50/month (which is tiny in comparison with VoxBone who charge a min spend of around £600/month [needs clarification]), which is really the only valid reason (that I can think of right now) to go with any of these reseller aggregates.</div>
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<div><br></div><div>Cal</div></font></span><div><div><div><br></div><div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Andrew Cassidy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andrew@cassidywebservices.co.uk" target="_blank">andrew@cassidywebservices.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Magrathea are pretty much the industry standard for volume.<div>
<br></div><div>Depending on your requirements, there are many others such as SipGate and Gradwell. There are also people from at least 3 UK trunk providers in this list, including SureVoip, NumberGroup and PowerTel. </div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 29 October 2013 00:29, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cal.leeming@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk" target="_blank">cal.leeming@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Richard,<br>
<br>
This topic was discussed a few months back, you can read the thread here;<br>
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<a href="http://markmail.org/message/xdjhmpkzd7txndji#query:+page:1+mid:ncuirf776l5hjovc+state:results" target="_blank">http://markmail.org/message/xdjhmpkzd7txndji#query:+page:1+mid:ncuirf776l5hjovc+state:results</a><br>
<a href="http://freeswitch-users.2379917.n2.nabble.com/DID-providers-any-thoughts-jan-2013-tt7586851.html#none" target="_blank">http://freeswitch-users.2379917.n2.nabble.com/DID-providers-any-thoughts-jan-2013-tt7586851.html#none</a><br>
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Since my last post, our chosen UK providers are Magrathea and Simwood.<br>
<br>
This inter-op was over a period of 6 months but based on low traffic<br>
(<=500 calls a month), so others with higher throughput may wish to<br>
chime in.<br>
<br>
Magrathea - Over a period of one month, I've not had a single<br>
problematic call, routing/quality is always good, and they seem to<br>
have almost every dialing code possible for DIDs. I have not dealt<br>
with their technical staff yet, but their sales people were friendly<br>
and knowledgeable.<br>
<br>
Simwood - Over a period of two months, I had 2 call routing issues to<br>
international destinations and they are missing at least one number<br>
range (Bournemouth). However it's worth noting that Simwood were very<br>
quick to help, they identified the routing problem within 5 minutes of<br>
me reporting it, and despite being a low profit customer they treated<br>
us as a high priority. I've also spoken to numerous staff there, they<br>
always come across as friendly and, more importantly, competent. I<br>
would have no problem recommending Simwood to others.<br>
<br>
For international routing - I'm still in the process of reviewing<br>
TelServ and Flowroute, I'd like to use Voxbone but their min spend is<br>
too high for us.<br>
<br>
I cannot choose between Sim/Mag, they are both extremely good<br>
companies - use both (redundancy is a good thing anyway!)<br>
<br>
Cal<br>
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