well you call 888 every week and its the same software =p<div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 5:08 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:covici@ccs.covici.com">covici@ccs.covici.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">I will have to check that out, although I am pretty sure I did test, but<br>
that was when I first started.<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
Anthony Minessale <<a href="mailto:anthony.minessale@gmail.com">anthony.minessale@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> it's not,<br>
><br>
> most likely you have a jitterbuffer on your phone that is recharging when<br>
> you start talking.<br>
> are you on the latest GIT where we have the waste bandwidth flag<br>
> on permanently for all callers?<br>
> To avoid problems like this conferences now always send rtp to people even<br>
> when they are not getting any useful input.<br>
><br>
><br>
> 2011/11/3 Roland Hänel <<a href="mailto:roland@haenel.me">roland@haenel.me</a>><br>
><br>
> > Anthony,<br>
> ><br>
> > The problem is not that audio is clipped because its "too silent", so<br>
> > adjusting the value seems to be the wrong handle for this problem.<br>
> ><br>
> > It seems that the time needed to make the decision (regardless of the<br>
> > energy threshold value) is the core of the issue, i.e. the level may bei<br>
> > 100, 200 or 300, it takes some XX ms to detect talking and all audio that<br>
> > happens before the detection gets lost. Right?<br>
> ><br>
> > Greetings,<br>
> > Roland<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > 2011/11/3 Anthony Minessale <<a href="mailto:anthony.minessale@gmail.com">anthony.minessale@gmail.com</a>><br>
> ><br>
> >> The setting is an arbitrary number of the energy score required to count<br>
> >> as talking.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> check your environments, its very specific to the surroundings.<br>
> >> We run it at 200 in the main FS conf and its rarely an issue.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> 2011/11/3 Roland Hänel <<a href="mailto:roland@haenel.me">roland@haenel.me</a>><br>
> >><br>
> >>> Setting it to 10 or so doesn't help, it seems that just the threshold of<br>
> >>> detection is changed (ok, that's what is expected), not the time until the<br>
> >>> decision is made.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> The audio clipping is a timing issue.<br>
> >>> Does there exist something like a "minimum time" that this algorithm<br>
> >>> needs to detect talking after silence? What happens to the audio that was<br>
> >>> sent by that member during this time, does.the algorithm discard that?<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Greetings,<br>
> >>> Roland<br>
> >>> Am 03.11.2011 18:20 schrieb "Anthony Minessale" <<br>
> >>> <a href="mailto:anthony.minessale@gmail.com">anthony.minessale@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> yes? set it to something between what it was and 0 ?<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> <param name="energy-level" value="300"/><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> try 200 100 50 ?<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> 2011/11/3 Roland Hänel <<a href="mailto:roland@haenel.me">roland@haenel.me</a>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>>> Hi,<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> During thorough testing of our conference solution which is based on<br>
> >>>>> FreeSwitch / mod_conference, we noticed some 'audio clipping' during the<br>
> >>>>> conference. Typically, if a conference member didn't have audio for some<br>
> >>>>> time and then begins to speak, the first syllable will be clipped and<br>
> >>>>> cannot be heard by the other conference participants.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> We ruled out a number of possible causes, and finally discovered that<br>
> >>>>> the energy level detection algorith seems to be the source of the problem.<br>
> >>>>> Setting the energy level for all participants to "0" heals the problem (of<br>
> >>>>> course now the noise might be higher since every participant's noise<br>
> >>>>> contributes to the total noise), but this setting is not very useful since<br>
> >>>>> the "talking detection" seems to rely on the same level, i.e. with energy<br>
> >>>>> "0", all members are marked talking all the time (which effectively renders<br>
> >>>>> the "talking" display useless).<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Is there any chance to tune the energy level detection time (!), or to<br>
> >>>>> de-couple talking detection an energy level detection in FreeSwitch?<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Best regards,<br>
> >>>>> Roland<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
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> >> --<br>
> >> Anthony Minessale II<br>
> >><br>
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> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Gruß,<br>
> > Roland<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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