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<DIV><FONT size=2>because crypto was and is not allowed in some countries 
also...</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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  style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=krice@freeswitch.org href="mailto:krice@freeswitch.org">Ken Rice</A> 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  title=freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org 
  href="mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org">FreeSWITCH Users Help</A> 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 06, 2011 12:23 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Freeswitch-users] send fax 
  via google voice.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Geography doesn’t stop a determined attacker... 
  <BR><BR>Just because its a little more difficult, that doesn’t mean it is 
  secure... If that were the case then Classified US Government Faxes wouldn’t 
  require crypto gear in line (see STU-III for an example of this that’s over 20 
  years old)<BR><BR>K<BR><BR><BR>On 3/6/11 11:08 AM, "Madovsky" &lt;<A 
  href="mailto:infos@madovsky.org">infos@madovsky.org</A>&gt; 
  wrote:<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT>
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    style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I think it's more hard for a guy to hack your US 
    pstn line if he lives<BR>in Australia... fax on internet can be hacked from 
    everywhere...<BR></SPAN></FONT>
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      style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><BR>----- Original Message ----- 
      <BR>&nbsp;<BR><B>From:</B> &nbsp;Ken Rice &lt;<A 
      href="mailto:krice@freeswitch.org">mailto:krice@freeswitch.org</A>&gt; 
      &nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR><B>To:</B> FreeSWITCH Users Help &lt;<A 
      href="mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org">mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org</A>&gt; 
      &nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 06, 2011 11:55 
      &nbsp;AM<BR>&nbsp;<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Freeswitch-users] send fax 
      &nbsp;via google voice.<BR>&nbsp;<BR><BR>What security reasons? Its just 
      as easy to tap a PSTN &nbsp;line as it is to sniff a network connection, 
      the only difference is you might &nbsp;need a little bit different 
      hardware...<BR><BR>If it were about security, fax &nbsp;machines would 
      actually encrypt a fax but they don’t... <BR><BR><BR>On 3/6/11 &nbsp;1:55 
      AM, "envelopes envelopes" &lt;<A 
      href="sunwood360@gmail.com">sunwood360@gmail.com</A>&gt; 
      &nbsp;wrote:<BR><BR>&nbsp;<BR></SPAN></FONT>
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        style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">that is not true.<BR><BR>Real estator/law 
        &nbsp;firm/accounting offices/travel agents...many of them still prefer 
        fax for &nbsp;security reasons.<BR>I am always worried about sending my 
        driver license pdf &nbsp;file via e-mail.<BR><BR><BR><BR>On Sat, Mar 5, 
        2011 at 11:34 PM, &nbsp;curriegrad2004 &lt;<A 
        href="curriegrad2004@gmail.com">curriegrad2004@gmail.com</A>&gt; 
        &nbsp;wrote:<BR>&nbsp;<BR></SPAN></FONT>
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          style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">That's why PDF's/XPS/tiff's have replaced fax 
          &nbsp;completely. Not many<BR>people out there still do have a fax 
          machine &nbsp;:)<BR><BR>On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Ken Rice 
          &lt;<A href="krice@freeswitch.org">krice@freeswitch.org</A>&gt; 
          wrote:<BR>&gt; &nbsp;Ok<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; will sending a fax over it 
          work... The answer is yes it &nbsp;will work..<BR>&gt; will it work 
          reliably, no<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Faxing just &nbsp;needs to die 
          already...<BR>&gt; The problem you have here with Faxing over 
          &nbsp;G711 (PCMU or PCMA) is that<BR>&gt; faxing uses a modem to 
          encode a &nbsp;digital signal into an analog carrier meant<BR>&gt; for 
          a circuit switch &nbsp;voice network with a constant amount of delay 
          and<BR>&gt; guaranteed &nbsp;delivery of the entire analog 
          stream<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; VoIP by definition is &nbsp;Voice Over Internet 
          Protocol... IP is a packet<BR>&gt; switched network, &nbsp;where you 
          can no guarantee a constant amount delay<BR>&gt; (latency) ... 
          &nbsp;Not to mention it is not common to see a udp packet or 2<BR>&gt; 
          missing &nbsp;along the way.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Where as 1 20ms packet 
          may not seem like &nbsp;much to you, that’s roughtly<BR>&gt; 
          equivalent to 575bytes of data in the &nbsp;fax and it will screw up 
          the fax<BR>&gt; either causing a corruption of &nbsp;the data, or a 
          drop in the analog modem<BR>&gt; carrier which requires a 
          &nbsp;retrain...<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; On 3/5/11 
          11:35 PM, &nbsp;"envelopes envelopes" &lt;<A 
          href="sunwood360@gmail.com">sunwood360@gmail.com</A>&gt; 
          &nbsp;wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; ok,<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Reliability is a 
          different &nbsp;issue. I am just wondering whether 
          mod_dingaling<BR>&gt; supports fax via &nbsp;GV. because someone 
          proved sending fax via GV from fax<BR>&gt; machine did 
          &nbsp;work<BR>&gt; .(<A 
          href="http://www.magicjacksupport.com/faxing-via-google-voice-t7412.html">http://www.magicjacksupport.com/faxing-via-google-voice-t7412.html</A>).<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; 
          &nbsp;On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 9:18 PM, curriegrad2004 &lt;<A 
          href="curriegrad2004@gmail.com">curriegrad2004@gmail.com</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; 
          &nbsp;wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; And relativity comes into play 
          too.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp;Also you do need to realize that the 
          packets sent via UDP isn't<BR>&gt; &nbsp;guaranteed to be in order as 
          the fax machine expects the data to &nbsp;be<BR>&gt; sent in order, 
          not out of order. That's the beauty of packet &nbsp;switched<BR>&gt; 
          networks.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 7:29 PM, &nbsp;Steve 
          Underwood &lt;<A href="steveu@coppice.org">steveu@coppice.org</A>&gt; 
          wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt; On &nbsp;03/06/2011 11:21 AM, envelopes envelopes 
          &nbsp;wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; Why is PCMU codec not 
          &nbsp;reliable?<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; 
          Unsynchronised &nbsp;clocks, and packet loss.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; 
          &nbsp;Steve<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; 
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