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I'm doing voip configuration for about 8 years. Because of the
overhead of the tcp/ip header I usually configured my Ciscos to use
g729 with a frame size of 40 or 60 bytes. This setting is pretty
often ignored by the other side. Thus it happens often that both
sides are sending with different frame sizes. However, I remember
only one case, where this caused any problems.<br>
<br>
Thus my preferred behaviour for mod_com_g729 would be, that it
doesn't re-packetize and pass the packet in pass through mode for
g729 to g729 calls, until it isn't configured explicitly in another
manner. A licence should be only used and transcoding should be only
done, if caller and callee are using different codecs.<br>
<br>
It seems that there are three variants to handle g729 to g729 calls
with different ptime on the side of caller and callee:<br>
1.<br>
Encode and decode packets with the correct ptime.<br>
<br>
Advantages:<br>
Exclusion of jitter problems<br>
Assurance that the correct ptime is used on the side of caller and
callee.<br>
<br>
Disadvantages:<br>
High expenses for licences and CPU load<br>
<br>
2. <br>
Re-packetizing without de- and encoding<br>
<br>
Advantages:<br>
Low CPU load, no licences are needed<br>
<br>
DisadvantagesI <br>
According Anthony there could be a jitter problem, because a wrong
ptime is used to both sides.<br>
<br>
3. <br>
Pass-through the packages untouched<br>
<br>
Advantages:<br>
Lowest CPU usage, no licences are needed<br>
<br>
Disadvantages:<br>
In some - according my experience very very rare cases - there
could be an incompatibility between caller and callee because of the
usage of a different ptime.<br>
<br>
I assume that mode_g729 is working with variant 3, thus it can't be
such a bad option. As I explained above, I would like to go with
this variant.<br>
<br>
Of course, the very best solution would be, to make the behaviour
configurable per profile or even better per call. But I don't know
if this can be done with a reasonable effort.<br>
<br>
BR<br>
Jan<br>
<br>
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Am 04.10.2010 21:07, schrieb David Ponzone:
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<div>I'd rather have a consistent ptime between both legs, but I
just noticed that the new carrier I use does not honor my
request to use a ptime else than 20ms.</div>
<div>They just send back 20ms.</div>
<div>I will solve that with them sooner or later, but I suppose I
am not the only one in this situation.</div>
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<div>Le 04/10/2010 à 19:34, Anthony Minessale a écrit :</div>
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<div>because it's based on G.711 the original codec used.<br>
<br>
It's a balance of latency to packet len.<br>
<br>
G.729 is poorly packetized at 20ms with only 10 bytes
per payload.<br>
<br>
We can do something to make it work the way you want,
but then I<br>
refuse to care if you get jittery calls because you are
sending the<br>
wrong ptime in both directions.<br>
<br>
<br>
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On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Jan Riedinger <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:riedinger@sns.eu">riedinger@sns.eu</a>>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">I'm trying to do wholesale
business with some dozen of interconnects. It's<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">hopeless to force all
customers/clients to use the same ptime - and I think<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">there is no real reason to force
them. I'm already happy, if they all offer<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">the usage of g729 ;-). Often
they pass through the calls themselves.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">BTW - I never understood, why 20
ms is the default frame size. In this way<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">you have about 20 bytes payload
and 40 bytes overhead for the TCP/IP header,<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">which is a pretty bad ratio.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">BR<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"> Jan<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Am 04.10.2010 18:56, schrieb
David Ponzone:<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">You could also check with your
carrier why they dont accept the custom ptime<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">you need, or normalize your
customers' config.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">I have a nice extension I made
that denies calls if ptime is not 20ms, with<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">early-neg or late-neg:<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"> <extension
name="check-ptime" continue="true"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"> <condition
field="${sip_use_codec_ptime}" expression="20"<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">break="on-true"/><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"> <condition
field="${ep_codec_string}" expression="@20i"><br>
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application="respond" data="488"/><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Le 04/10/2010 à 18:11, Jan
Riedinger a écrit :<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">I think, it would be a could
idea to make it configurable, if mod_com_g729<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">shall decode/encode the stream
to re-packetize. With the current behaviour<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">its usage is too expensive for
me in respect of money needed for licences<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">and CPU power. Most of my calls
are calls are g729 to g729, transcodeding is<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">needed only very rare.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Am 04.10.2010 17:46, schrieb
David Ponzone:<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">I just discovered a situation
like that.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">If the ptime of leg A and leg B
does not match, FS will decode/encode the<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">stream in order to re-packetize
(despite the fact that mod_com_g729 is<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">capable to re-packetize even
without any license installed).<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">I was thinking that it was not
optimal, but Anthony explained some minutes<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">ago on #freeswitch why this was
the preferred behaviour, despite the quality<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">loss it causes.<br>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">Le 04/10/2010 à 17:20, Jan
Riedinger a écrit :<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> Using <a
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href="http://files.freeswitch.org/g729/fsg729-158-installer">http://files.freeswitch.org/g729/fsg729-158-installer</a>
really did<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">fix the issue described below.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">However, it seems that the
licence is used (up), even if there is no<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">transcoding needed. In my CDR I
find for all calls, for which G729 is<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">involed at all,<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">read_codec="G729",
read_rate="8000", write_codec="G729",
write_rate="8000"<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Nevertheless, all of these calls
use a G729 licence. Is there any way to<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">find out, why mod_com_g729 wants
to do any kind of transcoding?<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">BR<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"> Jan<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">now the cod<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Am 04.10.2010 15:15, schrieb
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<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Just the CDN doesn't have the
index updated yet. That will fix your issue.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">/b<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Oct 4, 2010, at 8:09 AM,
David Ponzone wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Nope, you have to install them
manually.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Current is v158.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">You can download it from the
same place than 153, but via direct URL only.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">It's still Beta I think.<br>
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Jan Riedinger Phone : +49-30-39 73 19 66
Dipl.-Inf. | Managing Director Fax : +49-30-39 73 19 64
E-Mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:riedinger@sns.eu">riedinger@sns.eu</a>
SNS Consult GmbH ICQ : 163-237-041
Südwestkorso 49a MSN : <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jan@sns-consult.de">jan@sns-consult.de</a>
14197 Berlin GERMANY Skype : Jan Riedinger
AG Charlottenburg - HRB 71973
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