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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think it’s more
an issue that people need to get paid and to do that using FreeSWITCH you need
to add services to it – have something to sell that is not free. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
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freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org
[mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Anthony Minessale<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 9. juli 2010 17:32<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Freeswitch-users]
SIP2VXML</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I think the problem is that too many people treat VXML like it's a gold
mine or somehow valuable.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>That is a no no for a standard.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>So when it was first invented, people tried to sell the editors for
money, the only implementation were commercial and there was no real
acceptance to it. The first open source VXML stack
was dependency-ridden and archaic to even build for many years.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The value could be realized by providing hosting services for it, or
developing it for customers, not by making them pay money to even use the
editor.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I believe a standardized way to serialize an IVR and execute
it from a neutral server is a good idea but I am a bit sketchy
on whether or not VXML is right. Imagine if email was a secret
protocol and you had to pay money for your email composer...Oh yeah, that
happened and everyone laughed in their faces and now it's free.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>When I once tried to implement VXML, I started trying to use openVXI,
while hunting down the dependancies, I learned about spidermonkey and started
to wonder why to bother rendering the XML into a script and running it when you
could just write the whole IVR in JS. So I made res_js for Asterisk.
When I started FS, I also made a mod_spidermonkey as we can all see.
I also use XML in FS so I don't have a vendetta against XML, (I do get
annoyed by those who over do it with XML). I just get an uneasy feeling
about it and there is something to be said since we have 100% of the
ingredients for VXML in FS and never implemented it. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Like I said I am open to the idea of supporting it, to give it a
fighting chance to get adopted. But teenagers are harder to get adopted
as Andy pointed out =p<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:11 AM, Jan Berger <<a
href="mailto:jan.berger@video24.no">jan.berger@video24.no</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>So why does it "suck"?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org">freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>[mailto:<a
href="mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org">freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Andy<br>
Spitzer<br>
Sent: 9. juli 2010 06:27<br>
To: <a href="mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org">freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] SIP2VXML<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Woof!<br>
<br>
On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:58:05 -0400, Anthony Minessale<br>
<<a href="mailto:anthony.minessale@gmail.com">anthony.minessale@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> It's almost like people think with all the stuff FS can do out of the<br>
> box, supporting this fly-by-night phenomenon called VXML that has failed<br>
> to gain traction after 5 years is somehow too valuable to contribute lol<br>
<br>
VoiceXML started 11 years ago, in 1999.<br>
<br>
And, still, "VoiceXML sucks" (my signature phrase for all posts about<br>
VoiceXML. Google it.)<br>
<br>
--Woof!<br>
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