<meta charset="utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">"So, I'm in favour of a Web interface but strongly against anything that<br>
wouldn't also allow mailing list participation or offer NNTP access. That is,<br>I'm in favour of diversity and opposed to excluding people by forcing everyone<br>to use a single user interface - one provided by forum software."</span><div>
<font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">So forum software with a "Subscribe to all by email" option and/or similar RSS feed? Would that cover all the bases?</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br clear="all"></span></font>Regards,<br>Ben Langfeld<br><br>Wave > Email<br>
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<br>Today's Topics:<br>
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1. Re: FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum? (Ben Langfeld)<br>
2. Big conferences (David Knell)<br>
3. Re: FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum? (Jason White)<br>
4. Re: FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum? (Madovsky)<br>
5. Re: FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum? (Wellie Chao)<br>
<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Ben Langfeld <<a href="mailto:ben@langfeld.co.uk">ben@langfeld.co.uk</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org">freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org</a><br>
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 00:44:02 +0000<br>Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum?<br>There may be a forum, but such a thing cannot be expected to succeed if there's competition with an already established list. Such a thing would have to replace the mailing list to succeed. I believe this would help the FreeSWITCH effort amongst newer users and lead to much faster growth. The barrier to entry of a mailing list is a tad too high for some since it presents an impression, justified or not, that the list is where the elite hang out and is off-limits for newbies, whereas with a tidier forum setup that would allow for a "Newbies Corner" might avoid this. Mailing lists are showing their age these days - as demonstrated by the difficulty in responding to this on digest mode - I have to strip away every other thread first.<div>
<br></div><div>I'm convinced that a full shift to newer, better organised and more friendly technology would only be a good thing for the FreeSWITCH project. Does anyone agree, or am I out on my own on this one?<br><div>
<br clear="all">Regards,<br>Ben Langfeld<br><br>Wave > Email<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:11 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:freeswitch-users-request@lists.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">freeswitch-users-request@lists.freeswitch.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Michael S Collins <<a href="mailto:msc@freeswitch.org" target="_blank">msc@freeswitch.org</a>><br>
To: "<a href="mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org</a>><br>
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:54:15 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum?<br><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>There *IS* a forum. A volunteer set it up a few years ago and promised to maintain it. The fact that you can't find it is proof positive that a forum just isn't the best choice for this particular online community. I'd say the nabble site is your best option. </div>
<div><br></div><div>-MC<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Mar 27, 2010, at 4:51 AM, William Suffill <<a href="mailto:william.suffill@gmail.com" target="_blank">william.suffill@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>
</div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>It's been brought up before. I don't recall exactly all the +/- discussed but there are some alternatives for the user depending on their preference. Digest can get a bit annoying in high volume. The list is archived in various places (<a href="http://Gmane.org" target="_blank">Gmane.org</a>,<a href="http://nabble.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://nabble.com" target="_blank">nabble.com</a>)<br>
<br>Nabble does provide a forum style interface to the current list if you rather follow it that way.<br><a href="http://n2.nabble.com/freeswitch-users-f2379917.html" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://n2.nabble.com/freeswitch-users-f2379917.html" target="_blank">http://n2.nabble.com/freeswitch-users-f2379917.html</a><br>
"This forum is an archive for the mailing list:
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Messages posted here will be sent to this mailing list."<br><br>-- W<br>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: David Knell <<a href="mailto:dave@3c.co.uk">dave@3c.co.uk</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org">freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org</a><br>
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:50:51 -0600<br>Subject: [Freeswitch-users] Big conferences<br>Hi -<br>
<br>
I've seen the odd query on the list about building and scaling large<br>
audio conferences. Given that most callers will be listen-only, it's<br>
possible to scale up by transmitting a single RTP stream to multiple<br>
callers.<br>
<br>
Here's some proof-of-concept code, which roughly halves the CPU usage<br>
for a 200-user (plus one speaker) conference, written in that highest of<br>
performance languages, Perl:<br>
<a href="http://www.softivr.com/wiki/index.php/HP_Conferencing" target="_blank">http://www.softivr.com/wiki/index.php/HP_Conferencing</a><br>
<br>
--Dave<br>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Jason White <<a href="mailto:jason@jasonjgw.net">jason@jasonjgw.net</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org">freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org</a><br>
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:13:59 +1100<br>Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum?<br>Ben Langfeld <<a href="mailto:ben@langfeld.co.uk">ben@langfeld.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
> There may be a forum, but such a thing cannot be expected to succeed if<br>
> there's competition with an already established list. Such a thing would<br>
> have to replace the mailing list to succeed. I believe this would help the<br>
> FreeSWITCH effort amongst newer users and lead to much faster growth. The<br>
> barrier to entry of a mailing list is a tad too high for some since it<br>
> presents an impression, justified or not, that the list is where the elite<br>
> hang out and is off-limits for newbies, whereas with a tidier forum setup<br>
> that would allow for a "Newbies Corner" might avoid this. Mailing lists are<br>
> showing their age these days - as demonstrated by the difficulty in<br>
> responding to this on digest mode - I have to strip away every other thread<br>
> first.<br>
<br>
Experienced users of mailing lists don't use digest mode. They filter the<br>
mailing list into its own mail folder and use features of their mail user<br>
agent to read it efficiently, e.g., threaded display.<br>
<br>
I support to the existence of a Web interface to the mailing list, but I would<br>
strongly object to any attempt to replace the list with a "Web forum", for a<br>
number of reasons. In particular, if this were to happen, I know that I would<br>
find it difficult to participate, perhaps impossible.<br>
<br>
With a mailing list, I have a choice of software with which to read it, and I<br>
have chosen carefully based on my accessibility needs and personal preferences<br>
so that I can read and interact with mail efficiently. The problem with a Web<br>
forum is that I have no choice: I would have to use a Web-based interface to<br>
read and post messages, moreover, a Web interface provided by the forum<br>
itself. Unfortunately, Web interfaces can't match my customized mail<br>
environment for productivity; some of them are highly inaccessible to people<br>
with disabilities, and they don't offer the flexibility of choosing and<br>
customizing one's own client software that mailing lists and NNTP newsgroups<br>
provide. Web fora are slow and difficult for me to use, at best, and impossible at worst, and I doubt that I am alone here.<br>
<br>
So, I'm in favour of a Web interface but strongly against anything that<br>
wouldn't also allow mailing list participation or offer NNTP access. That is,<br>
I'm in favour of diversity and opposed to excluding people by forcing everyone<br>
to use a single user interface - one provided by forum software.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Madovsky" <<a href="mailto:infos@madovsky.org">infos@madovsky.org</a>><br>To: <<a href="mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org">freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org</a>><br>
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 21:15:48 -0400<br>Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum?<br>
<div bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div><font size="2">I agree, but after 2 months iregistered</font></div>
<div><font size="2">I must to confess that I really like this kind of
anarchy.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">It helps newbies to go quickly in the mood, elite to
work</font></div>
<div><font size="2">their human feels and sometimes fresh energy and ideas can
also help</font></div>
<div><font size="2">the old elite to push some intensity...</font></div>
<div><font size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2">Regards</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2"></font> </div>
<blockquote style="border-left:#000000 2px solid;padding-left:5px;padding-right:0px;margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px">
<div style="font:10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="font:10pt arial;background:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b>
<a title="ben@langfeld.co.uk" href="mailto:ben@langfeld.co.uk" target="_blank">Ben Langfeld</a>
</div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org" href="mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org</a>
</div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 27, 2010 8:44
PM</div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Freeswitch-users]
FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum?</div>
<div><br></div>There may be a forum, but such a thing cannot be expected to
succeed if there's competition with an already established list. Such a thing
would have to replace the mailing list to succeed. I believe this would help
the FreeSWITCH effort amongst newer users and lead to much faster growth. The
barrier to entry of a mailing list is a tad too high for some since it
presents an impression, justified or not, that the list is where the elite
hang out and is off-limits for newbies, whereas with a tidier forum setup that
would allow for a "Newbies Corner" might avoid this. Mailing lists are showing
their age these days - as demonstrated by the difficulty in responding to this
on digest mode - I have to strip away every other thread first.
<div><br></div>
<div>I'm convinced that a full shift to newer, better organised and more
friendly technology would only be a good thing for the FreeSWITCH project.
Does anyone agree, or am I out on my own on this one?<br>
<div><br clear="all">Regards,<br>Ben Langfeld<br><br>Wave > Email<br><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:11 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:freeswitch-users-request@lists.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">freeswitch-users-request@lists.freeswitch.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:#ccc 1px solid;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><br><br>---------- Forwarded message
----------<br>From: Michael S Collins <<a href="mailto:msc@freeswitch.org" target="_blank">msc@freeswitch.org</a>><br>To: "<a href="mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org</a>"
<<a href="mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org</a>><br>Date: Sat,
27 Mar 2010 15:54:15 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users]
FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum?<br>
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<div>There *IS* a forum. A volunteer set it up a few years ago and promised
to maintain it. The fact that you can't find it is proof positive that a
forum just isn't the best choice for this particular online community. I'd
say the nabble site is your best option. </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>-MC<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>On Mar 27, 2010, at 4:51 AM, William Suffill <<a href="mailto:william.suffill@gmail.com" target="_blank">william.suffill@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div>
<div></div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>It's been brought up before. I don't recall exactly all the +/-
discussed but there are some alternatives for the user depending on their
preference. Digest can get a bit annoying in high volume. The list is
archived in various places (<a href="http://Gmane.org" target="_blank">Gmane.org</a>,<a href="http://nabble.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://nabble.com" target="_blank">nabble.com</a>)<br><br>Nabble does provide a forum style
interface to the current list if you rather follow it that way.<br><a href="http://n2.nabble.com/freeswitch-users-f2379917.html" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://n2.nabble.com/freeswitch-users-f2379917.html" target="_blank">http://n2.nabble.com/freeswitch-users-f2379917.html</a><br>
"This
forum is an archive for the mailing list: <strong><a href="mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org</a></strong> (<a href="http://n2.nabble.com/mailing_list/MailingListOptions.jtp?forum=2379917" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">more options</a>) Messages posted here will be
sent to this mailing list."<br><br>-- W<br></div></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Wellie Chao <<a href="mailto:wchao@yahoo.com">wchao@yahoo.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org">freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org</a><br>
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 21:30:59 -0400 (EDT)<br>Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum?<br>I agree pretty strongly with Jason's viewpoint, and for the very same<br>
reasons. Not against a web forum, but other options (such as web forum)<br>
ought to be additional as opposed to in place of. Mailing lists might be<br>
"showing their age", but that's because they work. Procmail + Alpine works<br>
great, or an NNTP client is also perfectly fine. For people who want web<br>
access, there are web interfaces (like Nabble).<br>
<br>
<br>
-------------------------------------<br>
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:13:59 +1100<br>
From: Jason White <<a href="mailto:jason@jasonjgw.net">jason@jasonjgw.net</a>><br>
Reply-To: <a href="mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org">freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org">freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Mailing List - Why not a forum?<br>
<br>
Ben Langfeld <<a href="mailto:ben@langfeld.co.uk">ben@langfeld.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
> There may be a forum, but such a thing cannot be expected to succeed if<br>
> there's competition with an already established list. Such a thing would<br>
> have to replace the mailing list to succeed. I believe this would help the<br>
> FreeSWITCH effort amongst newer users and lead to much faster growth. The<br>
> barrier to entry of a mailing list is a tad too high for some since it<br>
> presents an impression, justified or not, that the list is where the elite<br>
> hang out and is off-limits for newbies, whereas with a tidier forum setup<br>
> that would allow for a "Newbies Corner" might avoid this. Mailing lists are<br>
> showing their age these days - as demonstrated by the difficulty in<br>
> responding to this on digest mode - I have to strip away every other thread<br>
> first.<br>
<br>
Experienced users of mailing lists don't use digest mode. They filter the<br>
mailing list into its own mail folder and use features of their mail user<br>
agent to read it efficiently, e.g., threaded display.<br>
<br>
I support to the existence of a Web interface to the mailing list, but I would<br>
strongly object to any attempt to replace the list with a "Web forum", for a<br>
number of reasons. In particular, if this were to happen, I know that I would<br>
find it difficult to participate, perhaps impossible.<br>
<br>
With a mailing list, I have a choice of software with which to read it, and I<br>
have chosen carefully based on my accessibility needs and personal preferences<br>
so that I can read and interact with mail efficiently. The problem with a Web<br>
forum is that I have no choice: I would have to use a Web-based interface to<br>
read and post messages, moreover, a Web interface provided by the forum<br>
itself. Unfortunately, Web interfaces can't match my customized mail<br>
environment for productivity; some of them are highly inaccessible to people<br>
with disabilities, and they don't offer the flexibility of choosing and<br>
customizing one's own client software that mailing lists and NNTP newsgroups<br>
provide. Web fora are slow and difficult for me to use, at best, and impossible at worst, and I doubt that I am alone here.<br>
<br>
So, I'm in favour of a Web interface but strongly against anything that<br>
wouldn't also allow mailing list participation or offer NNTP access. That is,<br>
I'm in favour of diversity and opposed to excluding people by forcing everyone<br>
to use a single user interface - one provided by forum software.<br>
<br>
<br>
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